Circumcision Without Hands

[Johann]

Soooo many" sinless " folk around, I just have 1 question..........WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN TRANSLATED TO HEAVEN ?

Believe it or not-my thoughts exactly brother!
And on what are they going to be judged by Christ Jesus?
Praise God for your post man, we need discernment more than ever now, and try/dokimazo the spirits.
Shalom to you and family.
Johann.

 

[Johann]

You didn't answer me.

Welcome to the Forum @Jn1.Chris
Johann.

 

[marks]

True seekers of truth will make the effort; those looking for justification for their sin already accept they’ve found it, therefore twist the rest of the epistle to match their error, such as adding the sin-softener word “practice” throughout 1 John, though in Greek it is not praseo, but pasio!

What do you believe IN HIM means? I believe it is the same as ABIDING IN HIM in verse 24.

You didn't address what I wrote. Why did you reply?


"Present active" is continuous action, not a single act. This is true for poiei as well as hamartanein. "Is remaining" (in Him) is also Present Active, continuous action. "Having been begotten" is in the Perfect tense, indicating completed action who's result remains, that is, having been begotten from God is not something you stop being.

On the other, the Scripture says In Him is no sin . . . period. "Types of sin" are not written of here, therefore, any sin is in view. Discounting certain sins cannot be based on those verses. No sin is of faith, and all that is not of faith is sin.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

You didn't answer me.

Welcome to the Forum @Jn1.Chris
Johann.

You didn't address what I wrote. Why did you reply?

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"Present active" is continuous action, not a single act. This is true for poiei as well as hamartanein. "Is remaining" (in Him) is also Present Active, continuous action. "Having been begotten" is in the Perfect tense, indicating completed action who's result remains, that is, having been begotten from God is not something you stop being.

On the other, the Scripture says In Him is no sin . . . period. "Types of sin" are not written of here, therefore, any sin is in view. Discounting certain sins cannot be based on those verses. No sin is of faith, and all that is not of faith is sin.

Much love!

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born (πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος)
On the form of expression, see on 1Jn_3:4. Rev., begotten. The perfect participle indicates a condition remaining from the first: he who hath been begotten and remains God's child.
His seed
The divine principle of life.
Cannot
See on 1Jn_3:6. Conceived as a perfect ideal, life in God excludes the possibility of sin. Compare Romans 4 throughout.
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Doeth no sin (hamartian ou poiei). Linear present active indicative as in 1Jn_3:4 like hamartanei in 1Jn_3:8. The child of God does not have the habit of sin.
His seed (sperma autou). God’s seed, “the divine principle of life” (Vincent). Cf. John 1.

And he cannot sin (kai ou dunatai hamartanein). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means “and he cannot commit sin” as if it were kai ou dunatai hamartein or hamartēsai (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive).

The present active infinitive hamartanein can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of hamartanei in 1Jn_3:8 and hamartanōn in 1Jn_3:6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see hamartēte and hamartēi in 1Jn_2:1.

A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of hamartanein here. Paul has precisely John’s idea in Rom_6:1 epimenōmen tēi hamartiāi (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with hamartēsōmen in Rom_6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).
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1Jn_3:9. The Reason of the Impossibility of a Child of God continuing in Sin. The germ of the divine life has been implanted in our souls, and it grows—a gradual process and subject to occasional retardations, yet sure, attaining at length to full fruition. The believer’s lapses into sin are like the mischances of the weather which hinder the seed’s growth. The growth of a living seed may be checked temporarily; if there be no growth, there is no life. This is the distinction between ἐάν τις ἁμάρτῃ and ὁ ἁμαρτάνων. Alexander in Speaker’s Comm. understands: “His seed,” i.e., whosoever is born of God (cf. Isa_53:10; Isa_66:22), “abideth in Him,” i.e., in God. This is Pauline but not Johannine. “He cannot keep sinning,” as the seed cannot cease growing.

Question @marks -honest answer please-are we sinless?
Johann.

 

[Keturah]

Some are coming perilously close to being ignored per their answers. Just saying.

 

[Johann]

Some are coming perilously close to being ignored per their answers. Just saying.

Correct you are-birds of a feather flock together-but the truth as in Scriptures is Imperative, rightly cutting straight the D'var-am I starting to lose my marbles @Keturah-the "think tank" not thinking straight?
Johann.

 

[Keturah]

Correct you are-birds of a feather flock together-but the truth as in Scriptures is Imperative, rightly cutting straight the D'var-am I starting to lose my marbles @Keturah-the "think tank" not thinking straight?
Johann.

Not loosing your marbles, for God keeps those whose mind is stayed in him.

Sometimes we are so hungry for our personal growth that we take in too much.( Truth by myself)
A  REST in his peace can always calm the waters.

It bothers me when I hear ( per seeing ) some things folks say, then it makes us question our own ideas..........it's time for a break away from, when this makes me angry or doubt or upset even @ others.

Stay strong, rest in his joy,peace & love.

 

[quietthinker]

Correct you are-birds of a feather flock together-but the truth as in Scriptures is Imperative, rightly cutting straight the D'var-am I starting to lose my marbles @Keturah-the "think tank" not thinking straight?
Johann.

Getting lost in ones copious and convoluted words is a common phenomena. Trying to dig oneself out of the hole results in further words and convolution........and by the way, this is an observation not an accusation.

 

[Johann]

Not loosing your marbles, for God keeps those whose mind is stayed in him.

Sometimes we are so hungry for our personal growth that we take in too much.( Truth by myself)
A  REST in his peace can always calm the waters.

It bothers me when I hear ( per seeing ) some things folks say, then it makes us question our own ideas..........it's time for a break away from, when this makes me angry or doubt or upset even @ others.

Stay strong, rest in his joy,peace & love.

Sound advice dear sister and I really appreciate your input-especially "the questioning our own ideas"
Yes, there are times when I am angry and upset what others are "promulgating" heteron doctrines-as you have noticed-adding and subtracting from the Scriptures, twisting and perverting that which I feed on, from morning to morning.

You stay strong as well, grounded and rooted in Christ Jesus.
Yours-Johann.

 

[Johann]

Getting lost in ones copious and convoluted words is a common phenomena. Trying to dig oneself out of the hole results in further words and convolution........and by the way, this is an observation not an accusation.

Not trying to dig myself out of a hole-always searching for truth, as it stands written in Scriptures, Perfect Tense, for the edification of others.
Thank you that this is not an accusation from you, I have enough of that.
Johann.

 

[marks]

Question @marks -honest answer please-are we sinless?
Johann.

I'm not.

Walking in the Spirit we walk without the consciousness of sin, however, even that doesn't mean we don't at times not walk in the Spirit, and commit sins. Scripturally we are not fit judges of ourselves, and just continue to trust Christ.

Our new creation, as I understand things, is the sinless and holy child of God, however, that child has to learn/be trained to overcome the flesh, which has the home team advantage. But we have more power, if we can come to use it. To believe.

An analogy I like is, one I was a wild animal running loose, destroying anything and everything. Now I'm a new person, no longer that wild animal, but that wild animal remains my means of interacting in this realm, so I have to subdue it, conquer it, make it my slave, keep it subdued. If I fail to, it will continue like it was, destructive.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

I'm not.

Walking in the Spirit we walk without the consciousness of sin, however, even that doesn't mean we don't at times not walk in the Spirit, and commit sins. Scripturally we are not fit judges of ourselves, and just continue to trust Christ.

Our new creation, as I understand things, is the sinless and holy child of God, however, that child has to learn/be trained to overcome the flesh, which has the home team advantage. But we have more power, if we can come to use it. To believe.

An analogy I like is, one I was a wild animal running loose, destroying anything and everything. Now I'm a new person, no longer that wild animal, but that wild animal remains my means of interacting in this realm, so I have to subdue it, conquer it, make it my slave, keep it subdued. If I fail to, it will continue like it was, destructive.

Much love!

Well said-we are still on the same page and I like the third paragraph.
Johann.

 

[Robert Gwin]

What do you believe removing the law means for us?

Most, but not all of the laws of the first covenant are no longer a requirement. Christians have a new set of laws/commandments. Does that explain my understanding adequately maam?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Most, but not all of the laws of the first covenant are no longer a requirement. Christians have a new set of laws/commandments. Does that explain my understanding adequately maam?

I agree regarding the first covenant, but if we couldn't keep the old covenant laws, how are we going to keep new ones?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You didn't address what I wrote. Why did you reply?

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"Present active" is continuous action, not a single act. This is true for poiei as well as hamartanein. "Is remaining" (in Him) is also Present Active, continuous action. "Having been begotten" is in the Perfect tense, indicating completed action who's result remains, that is, having been begotten from God is not something you stop being.

On the other, the Scripture says In Him is no sin . . . period. "Types of sin" are not written of here, therefore, any sin is in view. Discounting certain sins cannot be based on those verses. No sin is of faith, and all that is not of faith is sin.

Much love!

I know you don't believe in looking at context, as we've had that discussion before, but the context of 1 John 3 is the major type of sin of lawlessness. That is murder, adultery, etc. So you think it is okay to murder once in a while, just as long as you don't make a practice of it? Hmmmm.

 

[Behold]

This is for Jews and anyone else who sins willfully who was once sanctified. \

The born again are "being Now made free from sin"..

"God was in Christ not counting sins against them".

"God hath made Jesus to be sin for us".

"where sin abounds, Grace more abounds'.

What sin did the Cross of Christ pay for...?

A.) all of them

This is why God does not count sin against the born again.

2 Corinthians 5:19

Romans 4:8

 

[1stCenturyLady]

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
My little children (teknia mou). Tender tone with this diminutive of teknon (child), again in 1Jn_2:12; 1Jn_3:18, but paidia in 1Jn_2:14. John is now an old man and regards his readers as his little children. That attitude is illustrated in the story of his visit to the robber to win him to Christ.
That ye may not sin (hina mē hamartēte). Purpose (negative) clause with hina mē and the second aorist (ingressive, commit sin) active subjunctive of hamartanō, to sin.

John has no patience with professional perfectionists (1Jn_1:8-10), but he has still less with loose-livers like some of the Gnostics who went to all sorts of excesses without shame.

If any man sin (ean tis hamartēi). Third-class condition with ean and second aorist (ingressive) active subjunctive again, “if one commit sin.”

We have (echomen). Present active indicative of echō in the apodosis, a present reality like echomen in 2Co_5:1.

An advocate (paraklēton). See note on Joh_14:16, and Joh_14:26; and note on Joh_15:26; and Joh_16:7 for this word, nowhere else in the N.T. The Holy Spirit is God’s Advocate on earth with men, while Christ is man’s Advocate with the Father (the idea, but not the word, in Rom_8:31-39; Heb_7:25). As dikaios (righteous) Jesus is qualified to plead our case and to enter the Father’s presence (Heb_2:18).
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Context
The Limits of Human Wisdom
…19Wisdom makes the wise man stronger than ten rulers in a city. 20Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. 21Do not pay attention to every word that is spoken, or you may hear your servant cursing you.…
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Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

1 Kings 8:46
When they sin against You--for there is no one who does not sin--and You become angry with them and deliver them to an enemy who takes them as captives to his own land, whether far or near,

2 Chronicles 6:36
When they sin against You--for there is no one who does not sin--and You become angry with them and deliver them to an enemy who takes them as captives to a land far or near,

Job 15:14
What is man, that he should be pure, or one born of woman, that he should be righteous?

Job 33:12
Behold, you are not right in this matter. I will answer you, for God is greater than man.

Psalm 143:2
Do not bring Your servant into judgment, for no one alive is righteous before You.

Proverbs 20:9
Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am cleansed from my sin"?


Treasury of Scripture
For there is not a just man on earth, that does good, and sins not.



1 Kings 8:46
If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2 Chronicles 6:36
If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

Job 15:14-16
What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? …

doeth

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

If any man sin, we have
The change from the indefinite third person, any man, to the first person, we have, is significant.

By the we have, John assumes the possibility of sinful acts on the part of Christians, and of himself in common with them, and their common need of the intervention of the divine Advocate.

So Augustine: “He said, not 'ye have,' nor 'ye have me,' nor 'ye have Christ himself;' but he put Christ, not himself, and said 'we have,' and not 'ye have.' He preferred to place himself in the number of sinners, so that he might have Christ for his advocate, rather than to put himself as the advocate instead of Christ, and to be found among the proud who are destined to condemnation.”

An advocate (παράκλητον)
See on Joh_14:16.
With the Father (πρὸς τὸν πατέρα)
See on with God, Joh_1:1. An active relation is indicated. On the terms the Father and my Father, see on Joh_4:21.
The righteous
Compare righteous, 1Jn_1:9. There is no article in the Greek. Jesus Christ righteous. See on 1Jn_1:9.
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Guess you sit as a judge on the very Scriptures that says otherwise-I am astonished re your confession that you are sinless, in word, thought and deed-

J.

I'm astonished you don't believe in what Jesus accomplished on that cross! He died to TAKE AWAY our sin, because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God SIN ADAM SINNED WILFULLY! Therefore, God Himself became flesh and dwelt among us as the Advocate for the whole world! You believe that means for Christians who still sin. Listen, He either took our sin away, or He failed.

1 John 2:
And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

1 John 2:1 John says why he is writing to them SO YOU MAY NOT SIN. How is that not clear?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The born again are "being Now made free from sin"..

"God was in Christ not counting sins against them".

"God hath made Jesus to be sin for us".

"where sin abounds, Grace more abounds'.

What sin did the Cross of Christ pay for...?

A.) all of them

This is why God does not count sin against the born again.

2 Corinthians 5:19

Romans 4:8

You seem to be talking about Romans 3 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Romans chapters 1 through 8 is about the difference between the Old Covenant to the Jews and the New Covenant of Jesus.

The reason why God didn't hold the previous sins committed by the Jews in the Old Covenant BECAUSE of their sin nature still in them was because they didn't have the power in Christ inside of them that we have. They had an excuse, WE DON'T. So if we who have a clean nature in place of the sin nature, willfully sin again because of free choice when we don't have to it is rebellion against God, and we make Satan our master again. I don't know why you think God doesn't count willful sin against the born again. The word says the opposite against turning grace into a license to sin if you believe God doesn't hold any type of sin against a Christian. The truth is God doesn't hold unintentional, unknown sin against the born again who are abiding in Christ and He in us while they are walking in the Spirit NOT doing any willful sinning.

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Romans 6:15-16
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Hebrews 10: 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [a]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[marks]

I know you don't believe in looking at context,

Nonesense! Why do you have to speak this way?

So you think it is okay to murder once in a while, just as long as you don't make a practice of it? Hmmmm.

This to you is righteousness? Not to me. Sinless? Not from where I'm sitting.

You could have addressed the content, but instead you chose to make your personal attack on me. That is what was in your heart to do.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

You're teaching is denying the Cross = as the "one time ETERNAL Sacrifice of Jesus"....

You are reducing the power of the Cleansing BLOOD of Jesus to "past" only...., when you are shown that its = "ETERNAL". is the Sacrifice that is the finished work of Jesus on The Cross..

How do you know its Eternal ?
How do you know the BLOOD ATONEMENT, the NEW COVENANT, written in the Blood of Jesus is "ETERNAL"?, and not just temporary, or "past only" sins are forgiven?

A.) Because the Cross of Cross is 2000 yrs ago, and its still paying for sin TODAY, for as Long as God lives to keep offering ""the Gift of Salvation""" as "the Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS".

There is a "damned" Galatians 1:8 cult teaching that says...>>>"only your sins that you committed before you are born again, are forgiven"

And that denies the Lord's "ETERNAL Sacrifice for Sin"""

Do you really want to do that 1stCenturyLady?
Are you sure?

So, the Self Righteous, play this game......

= "As long as i remember all my sin to confess, God will keep saving me over and over, and forgive me over and over".

So that is now the person on the Cross, and Jesus is ripped off the nails by their Self Righteousness. (Self Saving). = Christ denying.

The Born Again, who understand the "" ONE TIME...ETERAL Sacrifice of Christ "" as """God hath made Jesus to be SIN for us" ...know that Jesus has their sin, and They have become a "new creation in Christ' ....."Made Righteous." and are "one with God" "In Christ", and there is no sin found there.

AS...."Being NOW made free from sin", is the eternal life of the born again.

See that 'NOW". ?????

That means right NOW.... and for always.. "being made free"..."from sin".