Conspiracy, or not a conspiracy. That is the question.

[Ronald Nolette]

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There is not going to be any options here. Governments will be forced to embrace this great new inclusive reform. Welcome to your brave new world.

This has been going on for a while now, they are just beginning to unveil it all. This trumped up panic due to Covid could be the catsalyst for a one world govt. nations are fiscally collapsing and businesses are bankrupting at higher rates than the great depression!

People will be losing homes and apartments by the millions shortly in america. As Rahm Emmanuel said- "Never let a good crisis go to waste".

The great reset has been in motion for over 3 months now.

 

[Jay Ross]

It confirms JR, that you don't know the scriptures and are too lazy to make the effort and do a search.
Google will point you to any of the references you are asking for......then you will know it is not my spin on the matter.

No, my request does not confirm that I do not know the scriptures. The theories you have presented are nothing more that conjecture on some ones part. All I am asking is for your to name the source's details for this conjecture so that what this source is presenting can be examined.

As for Googling for the information, we all know that that is not necessarily a reliable source. If you believe that your source of information is reliable, then you should have no issues with providing that information source's details.

If you are not prepared to supply your source's details, I can only assume that this conversation is ended on your part as you are not prepared to have the source's facts verified.

Good day sir.

 

[amadeus]

Surely you must know the story of the Tower of Babel JR....the inherent meaning of babel being confusion.

Man chose confusion [Babel or Babylon], the babylonish way when he disobeyed God in the beginning. God allowed but man did it to himself. That was the beginning but the immersion of men in their own way continued from that day to this one.

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." I Cor 14:33

 

[amadeus]

So you are not prepared to answer the question, but instead you have attempted to turn the burden of proof for your claims back onto myself. Sorry that does not wash well with me. It confirms that you are building a theology out of the silence of the scriptures.

Burden of proof? Do we live for God by knowledge provable by the methods of man, such as the scientific method? What is faith?

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:1

And from where do we get this faith?

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Rom 10:17

If you do not believe what I do or what @Backlit believes or what @quietthinker believes or what @TLHKAJ believer and so on... then walk on alone with God. If you are on His side, can you lose your way? Can any of us lose our way?

 

[Jay Ross]

Babylon was built on the ruins and on the philosophical foundations of Babel. As QT told you, confusion. Confusion is now the most apt description for modem Christianity. No-one wants to agree with anyone anymore... Using the minutest excuses for going it alone. Setting aside foundational truths in favor of preconceived opinions and using the flimsiest of reasons for doing so. Like you did on this thread.
The evidence for a global conspiracy led by occult secret societies and the Vatican is in your face and here you are arguing over a few hundred year difference in the establishment of babel and it's obvious connections to Babylon.

I have read that the Story of the Tower of Babel occurred around 3,800 BC, while the Flood occurred around 2,400 BC plus or minus 50 years depending on whose OT chronology you use, some 1,400 years before the flood.

Now, I have no issue with your opening sentence in your rebuttal to me: - "Babylon was built on the ruins and on the philosophical foundations of Babel." This statement has no time stamp associated with it and indeed it does not need to take our minds to the times before the flood..

Then you go off on a tangent and rant about confusion as the meaning of the Hebrew word "Babel" and that today's "modern Christianity" is best said to be very confused, because today's Christianity follows the conspiracies of the Vatican.

With this claim you revealed your hatred of the Roman Catholic Church, with the inference that your denominational beliefs are the only beliefs that should be believed.

The story of the Tower of Babel, is about God confounding the language of the people such that many languages flowed out of their single language, that they had at the time of building their city and tower to stop them from being scattered all over the face of the earth, and because of this the people moved away from the place that became know as Babel and disbursed throughout the whole earth. This movement of the people away from the area of Babel, certainly occurred during the early life of Abraham and the Bible provides evidence that Haran, one of Abraham's brothers had left the city of Ur where his father lived and travelled probably north-westwards up the River Euphrates to establish a place for himself which he named after himself. God's command Noah and his three sons to: - "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth," which can be considered to be a reference back to Genesis 1:28. By going against God's command to fill the whole earth, by building a single city, God stepped in to cause His Command to Noah and his three sons to be fulfilled.

You then went on to make a personal attack against myself in an attempt to invalidate my beliefs.

It was you who I asked to provide the scriptural confirmation to support your claims, and unfortunately QT butted in to support his "buddy" in the "faith."

Now, if you cannot or will not provide the scriptural evidence to support your claims concerning the story of the Tower of Babel, then that is fine with me as it finishes the discussion that we were having and there is no further need to continue.

Good Day Sir.

 

[kcnalp]

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This is indeed the terminal generation!
Matthew 24:21 (NKJV)
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[DNB]

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You are all out of your minds! I have no idea how you conspiracy theorists have managed to turn such a practical and solicitous thesis, into some nefarious, and implausible scheme to create a one world order?
If anyone cared to read the entirety of Schwab's article, it was clear that he was not promoting unification on a political border level, but on pragmatism, and equal concern and empathy, towards all economic systems throughout the world. He was exhorting all nations to keep the notion of crisis in mind, in order to establish a more sustainable economic infrastructure - each country affects the others, unwittingly or not.
The principles that he was endorsing showed no signs of domination or oppression, but on the contrary, ways to establish equality and safety nets for the work force. And, he clearly specified that this must take place between each individual country, at their own ability and discretion, not as one political entity. In other words, they world must unite in protection, compassion and love to all citizens, while retaining their political autonomy.

Clearly, the will to build a better society does exist. We must use it to secure the Great Reset that we so badly need. That will require stronger and more effective governments, though this does not imply an ideological push for bigger ones. And it will demand private-sector engagement every step of the way.

 

[quietthinker]

Naivety has ever been the MO of the masses......forgetfulness and the refusal to learn from the past sets the culture for any clever operator.

 

[DNB]

Naivety has ever been the MO of the masses......forgetfulness and the refusal to learn from the past sets the culture for any clever operator.

Again QT, knock your nonsense off. What you stated above can be said about any movement that requires a unified mindset. You proved nothing outside of your cynicism and paranoia. You did not point out the incriminating expressions in his article, nor the indicting principles that he stood for. You simply accused a man who is telling the entire world to wake-up for the better, as being a ring-leader.
My point is, you may even be correct, but you have absolutely no viable or competent substantiation for it based on the Schwab's thesis.

 

[quietthinker]

Again QT, knock your nonsense off.

the prize so delectable an avalanche not even in mind.....even in the face of tumbling rocks!

 

[Brakelite]

I have read that the Story of the Tower of Babel occurred around 3,800 BC, while the Flood occurred around 2,400 BC plus or minus 50 years depending on whose OT chronology you use, some 1,400 years before the flood.

You are right. I was out by about 10000 years. Unforgivable.

Then you go off on a tangent and rant about confusion as the meaning of the Hebrew word "Babel" and that today's "modern Christianity" is best said to be very confused, because today's Christianity follows the conspiracies of the Vatican.

Not a tangent. Babylon, which grew from Babel, and it's philosophies that today's confusion in doctrine reflect, is the principle cause of our issues.

With this claim you revealed your hatred of the Roman Catholic Church, with the inference that your denominational beliefs are the only beliefs that should be believed.

No, I didn't. I hate no-one. ( Which is your inference by saying I hate they church). That is a typical Catholic response which is designed to build a particular mindset in readers that everything I have to offer ought to be rejected on account of my hatred. That is slander.

You then went on to make a personal attack against myself in an attempt to invalidate my beliefs.

More of the above. "Write off everything backlit has to say folks because he makes personal attacks". Nonsense. I was merely pointing out that you ignored the whole tenet of the thread topic by focusing on an insignificant(contextually speaking) detail.

 

[Addy]

No, I didn't. I hate no-one. ( Which is your inference by saying I hate they church). That is a typical Catholic response which is designed to build a particular mindset in readers that everything I have to offer ought to be rejected on account of my hatred. That is slander.

Stating that one hates the Catholic church is not the same thing as saying they hate Catholics.

I LOATHE... I HATE... the Roman Catholic church. This has nothing to do with the people who practice... but EVERYTHING to do with
Doctrine.

 

[Brakelite]

Stating that one hates the Catholic church is not the same thing as saying they hate Catholics

Catholics view their church as their mother. They take it personal. I get that.

I LOATHE... I HATE... the Roman Catholic church. This has nothing to do with the people who practice... but EVERYTHING to do with
Doctrine.

But yeah. If only people saw that...

 

[Addy]

Catholics view their church as their mother. They take it personal. I get that.

I was born into it... and I DON'T get it... I don't think there is any human on earth that loathes the Roman Catholic church more than me... ( and I do mean that literally )... I will not waste my time on talking with other Catholics about their religion. God tells us to mediate and think about things which of noble... pure... and lovely.... and none of those words reflect the Catholic doctrine.

 

[Addy]

More of the above. "Write off everything backlit has to say folks because he makes personal attacks". Nonsense. I was merely pointing out that you ignored the whole tenet of the thread topic by focusing on an insignificant(contextually speaking) detail.

I think it's called CANCEL CULTURE... hahahaha....

 

[Brakelite]

Thing is, the current Pope is actively encouraging, supporting and promoting globalist policies, particularly through the climate change agenda and of course Covid. This is the link the Catholic Church has with globalism. Nor is it new. The previous popes were also active in the globalist agenda. This has nothing to do with hatred for the church for goodness sake. It's current politics. It current religion. And it's also prophetic. The vatican isn't hiding this. I'm not sure why Catholics are so shy in discussing it, but would rather call out those who do want to discuss it as "haters".

 

[Addy]

@Backlit Globalism is the LEAST of the worries of Catholicism... LOL

Anyways... I bid you goodbye...Like I said... I have nil interest in discussing Catholicism.

 

[Brakelite]

And if course it isn't just Schwaub and the Pope calling for a global government. To deny what world leaders are actually saying, and what numerous institutions are working toward in the belief that is a conspiracy "theory" is a living depiction of the backside in the air on @Illuminator 's post above.
Of course, the very reason why Babel was built was to rebel against God's stipulation to spread out and repopulate the world. The prime purpose of Babylon was, and is, to build a kingdom for its own glory. A global kingdom. To deny what is now taking place in the world, unhidden from our very eyes, is a highly dodgy enterprise.

 

[Jay Ross]

You are right. I was out by about 10000 years. Unforgivable.


Not a tangent. Babylon, which grew from Babel, and it's philosophies that today's confusion in doctrine reflect, is the principle cause of our issues.


No, I didn't. I hate no-one. ( Which is your inference by saying I hate they church). That is a typical Catholic response which is designed to build a particular mindset in readers that everything I have to offer ought to be rejected on account of my hatred. That is slander.


More of the above. "Write off everything backlit has to say folks because he makes personal attacks". Nonsense. I was merely pointing out that you ignored the whole tenet of the thread topic by focusing on an insignificant(contextually speaking) detail.

I have had another member claim that I was a paid up member of the SDA's if I understood his inference correctly.

Now you claim that I am a Roman Catholic and am using the Roman Catholic methodology of rebutting your claims.

I am confused. Who am I? Is my understanding of God's word so far out that everybody does not want to consider what I post?

Now, I did like what amadeus advised: -

If you do not believe what I do or what @Backlit believes or what @quietthinker believes or what @TLHKAJ believer and so on... then walk on alone with God. If you are on His side, can you lose your way? Can any of us lose our way?

I do know that I am His and that He is with me in my walk, and that I am secure in my relationship with Him.

I am finished with this nonsense. Please let us all be teachable and not of a closed mind set.

Shalom

 

[quietthinker]

I have had another member claim that I was a paid up member of the SDA's if I understood his inference correctly.

Now you claim that I am a Roman Catholic and am using the Roman Catholic methodology of rebutting your claims.

I am confused. Who am I? Is my understanding of God's word so far out that everybody does not want to consider what I post?

Now, I did like what amadeus advised: -



I do know that I am His and that He is with me in my walk, and that I am secure in my relationship with Him.

I am finished with this nonsense. Please let us all be teachable and not of a closed mind set.

Shalom

but you say, ‘I am innocent. God is not angry with me.' But I will judge you guilty of lying, because you say, ‘I have not sinned.' Jeremiah 2:34