Contending with the devil

[Hiddenthings]

We all have opinions, and nothing says we have to share them.

But when you feel compelled, ask yourself, why is it I want to say this? Does it make me feel better/stronger/smarter/cleverer/in control? I think by and large that's why we say these sorts of things.

Much love

It’s about upholding the truth of the Word, Marks. In this instance, Dak rejects the Abrahamic Covenant in favor of clinging to the Old Mosaic system. You may not be familiar with the history, which makes your above comments seem somewhat misplaced.

 

[marks]

You may hold a view of chaos and disorder in God’s house in heaven, and you are entitled to that perspective. I, however, will follow the Master’s lead on this one, Marks.

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come,
Your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.

This is yet another Scripture you seem not to believe.

I encourage you, Marks, to at least make an effort to discern the symbolic language, please try to engage with it.

I knew you would just outright deny this, but it doesn't change the Word of God. You would do well to believe what you read.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It’s about upholding the truth of the Word, Marks. In this instance, Dak rejects the Abrahamic Covenant in favor of clinging to the Old Mosaic system. You may not be familiar with the history, which makes your above comments seem somewhat misplaced.

You've got an out for everything. I see you are practiced. No matter. Truth is still truth, even if you stand against it.

I'm glad the entire forum isn't littered with everyone's biased "opinions", for me there is already far too much.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

I knew you would just outright deny this, but it doesn't change the Word of God. You would do well to believe what you read.

Much love!

Marks, you hold a belief that casts God’s reputation into question, but this stems from an inability to discern the symbolic language, which leads you to hold erroneous views. No amount of me showing you why will change this fact.

For you, God’s will is not accomplished in heaven because you believe that angels can sin against His divine nature.

All of this is just a few Scriptures that you’ve misunderstood, these misunderstandings could be clarified quickly if you were open-minded

 

[Hiddenthings]

You've got an out for everything. I see you are practiced. No matter. Truth is still truth, even if you stand against it.

I'm glad the entire forum isn't littered with everyone's biased "opinions", for me there is already far too much.

Much love!

As I said, you are entitled to your opinions, but I am not interested in opinions, I am focused on understanding the truth and how to reconcile it with the Word. If you were genuinely interested in seeking God's Truth, you would not be quoting Scripture and implying a Creed written 300 years after the fact.

 

[Behold]

No, he didn't say that Behold but I'll give you the opportunity to correct yourself.

Satan <> Lucifer <> The Devil

Jesus said 'Satan fell from Heaven"

Isaiah said that Lucifer is "Fallen".

If you read Gen, then we see that Satan was not created on Earth, as was Adam and Bride.
If you feel you can post a verse that states that Satan, or Lucifer, or the Devil, were created on Earth, then feel free to do so.

So, if Satan was not created on Earth...then where did he come come from?

A Magician's Hat?
The other side of Pluto?
L Ron Hubbard's Book?

= He came from Heaven, and is fallen, and is now The Devil, or Lucifer, or Satan........depending on what you want Him to be called, as its all the same .

Let me show you more....

Lucifer means "light bringer" or "Light Bearer".. and Satan on Earth, is described by Paul as a " (fallen) angel of LIGHT".

A False LIGHT........tho still a Light.

So, are you following, as these dots are not hard to connect.

"Lucifer" means "LIGHT Bringer or Light Bearer" and Satan is a " (fallen) angle of (False) LIGHT".

A.) Same

Let me show you something else about Lucifer-Satan-The Devil.

In Heaven, He had a THRONE..........

And down here, He is the "god of this world"......so that's his Throne on earth.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Satan <> Lucifer <> The Devil

Jesus said 'Satan fell from Heaven"

Wrong again...

 

[dak]

You sound paranoid dak...you're hurting because I've pressed you hard on the Covenant that saves and all you want to do is heed the one which cursed.

In your wild imagination: but if the gall of bitterness is what floats your boat, that's on you.

Actually, these symbols point to the religious authorities of that time, and also to those in the latter days. There is no fallen angel in the Word of God. You of all people should know this!

I am only adding this paragraph because Marks just posted the same passage to you again, which you have now essentially denied once again, and when I quoted that passage at the beginning of our discussions and you denied it, that was right after outright denying the Testimony of the Master which I had quoted from Luke 11:24-26, (companion to Mat 12:43-45). You, by default, indirectly confessed that the prince of the power of the air and spirit of the world has never been cast out of you to begin with: which means you have never been born from above, by your own admission, and that is because you ignore the context in and around the statement from Eph 2:2.

It's you that is hurting: for you've been doing the same to the OP of this thread ever since he started ignoring you, and now that I have started doing the same, over the last few days, I see how it drives you nuts by deflating your ego and robbing you of attention. You have said that I am lost, and in the same sentence you added that you meant that in the worst way: I therefore see no more reason to listen to anymore of your vicious raving and rantings.

 

[Behold]

Wrong again...

Some Translations say "The Devil" fell from Heaven, and some say "the Adversary" fell from Heaven.

I usually teach "Satan" as this lowers the confusion level.

But we can go with Lucifer, np.

So, Before Jesus said that "Lucifer" fell...... Isaiah had already defined Him .

Malachi, had already defined him as the Devil

Paul uses the same Definition that defines them both as "LIGHT bearer".

Lucifer - Satan - The Devil......are "one".

 

[Hiddenthings]

In your wild imagination: but if the gall of bitterness is what floats your boat, that's on you.

Your words not mine!

You, by default, indirectly confessed that the prince of the power of the air and spirit of the world has never been cast out of you to begin with: which means you have never been born from above, by your own admission, and that is because you ignore the context in and around the statement from Eph 2:2.I.

Like I said you are without excuse for not knowing what was in Paul's mind here.

Deceptive philosophy: Colossians 2:8 – "See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ."

Of this world: John 8:23 – "You are from below (earthly thinking); I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."

The prince of this world: John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out." John 14:30 – "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me…" John 16:11 – "…concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged."

Who is the ruler of "this world" in Jesus' day?

"In him the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord." Eph 2:21

The Jews left Temple at Jerusalem. (Left what?)
The Ephesians left Diana's temple at Ephesus. (Left what?)

Together, they formed a new temple in Christ.

Dak - you know there is no fallen angel and that this is speaking to the carnal mind manifested in the religious elite of the time (and now!)

@marks these things have been hidden from you because you have mythological philosophies running rampant in your brain.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Some Translations say "The Devil" fell, and some say "the Adversary" fell.

Luke 10:18". . . I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

What do you notice?

 

[Hiddenthings]

You have said that I am lost, and in the same sentence you added that you meant that in the worst way: I therefore see no more reason to listen to anymore of your vicious raving and rantings.

Your rejection of the Abrahamic Covenant has led you to this position; in fact, you are not even willing to engage with it, so strong is your attachment to the Old Covenant. If this is not true, why resist?

 

[dak]

It’s about upholding the truth of the Word, Marks. In this instance, Dak rejects the Abrahamic Covenant in favor of clinging to the Old Mosaic system. You may not be familiar with the history, which makes your above comments seem somewhat misplaced.

Your rejection of the Abrahamic Covenant has led you to this position; in fact, you are not even willing to engage with it, so strong is your attachment to the Old Covenant. If this is not true, why resist?

To those who may be interested: please understand that whenever anyone disagrees with HT's paradigm, which he has foisted onto the scripture, he then feels he has the right to accuse that person of not believing the scripture, or the passage he has mangled, or as in this case, accusing me of rejecting the Abrahamic covenant, (which is a lie). He has no clue what I or anyone else actually believe here because he is not here to listen so as to understand the beliefs and doctrines of those with whom he engages: he is only here to force you to accept his own privately held beliefs.

I did not reject the Abrahamic covenant: I rejected his perceived version of it, and I showed why from multiple scripture passages which refuted him to his face, and he simply cannot bring himself to admit his error.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I did not reject the Abrahamic covenant: I rejected his perceived version of it, and I showed why from multiple scripture passages which refuted him to his face, and he simply cannot bring himself to admit his error.

You showed nothing, Dak, you couldn’t even mention the Covenant made by faith. If you are going to provide a record of events, at least show some integrity and present the truth. I think enough people in this forum are aware of your fixation on the Torah and your unwillingness to be led away from it, even kicking and screaming. You're still kicking against the pricks even now!

 

[Hiddenthings]

@dak why you don't start a thread on the Abrahamic Covenant - love to read those thoughts!

 

[Behold]

Luke 10:18". . . I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

What do you notice?

Lightning is Light.

So, the Lord is comparing them., as Satan is a "Light bearer".
Satan is also a "dark light". This means that His enlighenment, or his inner light is darkness, deception, and evil.
Satan is the "father of Lies'....so that is his "Light", where as Jesus is THE Truth... which is His Light.

Also, notice how long it takes for a streak of lightning to come and go.
Its instant.
So, the fall of The Devil, from Heaven down to earth, was instant.....It didnt take a week.
It was as fast as a lightning strike.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Lightning is Light.

So, the Lord is comparing them., as Satan is a "Light bearer".
Satan is also a "dark light". This means that His enlighenment, or his inner light is darkness, deception, and evil.
Satan is the "father of Lies'....so that is his "Light", where as Jesus is THE Truth... which is His Light.

Also, notice how long it takes for a streak of lightning to come and go.
Its instant.
So, the fall of The Devil, from Heaven down to earth, was instant.....It didnt take a week.
It was as fast as a lightning strike.

No. Luke is using a simile. If you study that section of text you will find what it was that fell "like" lightening.

 

[Behold]

No. Luke is using a simile. If you study that section of text you will find what it was that fell "like" lightening.

Jesus said it.
He saw Satan fall.

Isaiah confirm this as..

"""How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,""""

If you read Gen, then we see that Satan was not created on Earth, as was Adam and Bride.
If you feel you can post a verse that states that Satan, or Lucifer, or the Devil, were created on Earth, then feel free to do so.

Satan "fell" from Heaven, and is fallen, and is now The Devil, or Lucifer, or Satan........depending on what you want Him to be called, as its all the same .

It interesting that the Bible refers to the Devil as "fallen", as in the fallen nature... and that He also "Fell" from Heaven.
In other words both literally and spiritually.

Lucifer means "light bringer" or "Light Bearer".. and Satan on Earth, is described by Paul as a " (fallen) angel of LIGHT".

A False LIGHT........tho still a Light.
Jesus defines this as a dark light, or a twisted truth.
Satan is a "dark light". This means that His enlighenment, or his inner light is darkness, deception, and evil.
Satan, The Devil (Lucifer) is the "father of Lies'....so that is his "inner Light", where as Jesus is THE Truth... which is His Light.

 

[dak]

Your words not mine!

And once again you apparently did not understand: yes, my words directed back to you, who chooses to harbor the gall of bitterness in his heart. Now do you understand? You supposedly know the scripture so well but you cannot recognize ellipsis in everyday language?

If harboring the gall of bitterness in your heart is what floats your boat, that's on you.

Acts 8:22-23 KJV
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

It seems you have a defense mechanism beaming out of your forehead blocking anything and everything those who disagree with you might have to say. It's a terrible plague because many here are actually trying to tell you that you are heading for an abrupt cliff while you are mowing them down in your mind with false witness and lying verbal assaults.

 

[marks]

@marks these things have been hidden from you because you have mythological philosophies running rampant in your brain.

Thank you for a good laugh first thing in the morning! I think I'll have some coffee now. There will be no serious discussion with you, I see that now. Holding to half-truths and slandering others, well, enough of that.

Much love!