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Could this allude to the dinosaurs?

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  1. Truman

    Truman Well-Known Member

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    Multiple proven reports of dinosaur blood and soft tissue have been made, and spun. Blood that survived 65 million years? C'mon.
     
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    The term dinosaur wasn’t invented when the OT was written.

    It also describes dragons, which I believe is also describing dinosaurs.

    Some commentaries ignorantly say behemoth was a hippo or pachyderm, though behemoth has a tail like a tree trunk, and couldn’t be either of those.
     
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    Read The Genesis Flood by Whitcomb and Morris, a very good book that also delves into the radical climate change afterwards.
     
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    Actually they did, and the soft tissue and cells they found in supposedly 70 MYO fossils, can only be ten thousand or less years old.

    And they’ve found tracks in a river area of dinosaur footprints with a human footprint on top, verified as authentic by MRI scans.

    Plus there are accurate ancient detailed drawings, etchings and pottery of dinosaurs such as T Rex, that were made many centuries before complete dinosaur skeletons were dug up and assembled together, so that depictions of what they looked like could be made.
     
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    Except I did, because they did, coexist with humans.
     
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    Nope, hippos have a dinky and thin tail, behemoth has a tail like a tree trunk.
     
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    Rise and be healed, in the name of Jesus.

    Blessings.
     
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    We have no idea what the behemoth was. But we do know it was not a dinosaur because it could not fit on the Ark.. As for the dinosaur tracks along with human you better do some study. They already rejected that thinking because they proved that tracks made in mud and riverbeds weathered out to resemble human tracks.

    Clear evidence man and dinosaurs did not coexist and pre-Adamic creation.

    Paluxy River: The Tale of the Trails
     
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    The young Earth's claims are continually falling apart.

    I will simply point out one here. Using the genealogies in the Bible have nothing to do with the ages the earth, only the age of humanity.
     
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    1 Chronicles 1:19
    "And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother’s name was Joktan."


    Growing Earth...

     
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    What does that have to do with dinosaurs?
     
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    Nope. I don’t know who claimed that, but those tracks are blatantly human on top of dinosaur tracks, and in case you don’t remember it, dinosaurs came from eggs, and started out very small - thus the obvious thing for God to do would be to put young and small elephants and rhinos and dinosaurs on the ark.
     
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    I got over it! lol
     
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    As with many things it is impossible to absolutely prove either way. But there are plenty of evidences for Dinos being contemporary with Genesis etc.

    Evidences that dinosaurs and humans were contemporary in early history.

    1. Dinosaurs are remembered in traditions of dragons etc of various ancient nations.

    Celtic: Pendragon.

    Norse/Germanic/Saxon: Beowulf tearing of arm of Grendel has been related to Tyranosaurus Rex arms. World Serpent. Nidhog. Kraken. Fafnir (Sigurd). orm.

    Classical/Greek/Roman: Hydra. Ladon (Hesperides). Draco. Echidna. Ophites. Python.

    Hittite: Illuyankas.

    Egypt: Apophis, Ammut, Sobek.

    Biblical: Tannim/Tannin (Genesis)? Nahash "Serpent" (Genesis)? Behemoth (tail like a cedar)? Leviathan? Dragon/Serpent (Revelation)! Seraph? Ophites. 4th beast of Daniel?

    Phoenician/Canaanite: Shalyat. Lotan/Leviathan.

    Mesopotamian: Tiamat? Bel & the Dragon? Sirrush/Mushrush (tsir/mus "serpent/snake"). Labbu. usumgal.

    Indian: Ahi/Vritra vs Indra. Naga(s).
    "Deva-Nagari writings which mention life with the dinosaurs, what they ate, how they mated, etc". (Ref Jantsang.)

    "Cambodian stegosaurus engraving"?

    Australian: Rainbow Serpent.

    Polynesian: Taniwha? fire-bird?

    American:
    thunder-bird? Piasa? Amangemokdom/Mizhipichew?
    A pre-Columbian jaguar figure with spade-like features on side & rear imagined to look like a modern geared earth-moving machine but which looks like a dragon/dinosaur (picture in Berlitz)?
    Dinosaurs/dragons in the disputed Tucson artefacts, Ica stones, & Acambaro figures? (These artefacts are supposed to be pseudo-aracheological fakes, but some might possibly not be fake.)

    Some are clearly reptiles, and have scales. Some are fire-breathing, and modern science has confirmed that some dinosaurs may have breathed fire.

    Ancient traditions of world egg?

    2. Humans seem to have some subconscious psychological familiarity memory of dinosaurs.

    3. "human skeletons buried under toxodon, megatherium, and dinosaur" in Lagoa Santa and elsewhere in the Minas Gerais in Brazil (ref Kolosimo 'Timeless Earth').

    4. Lots of human and dinosaur foot prints found in same bed/strata (though the authenticity of both is disputed and some of the humanoid ones are giant). The many human prints include children, adults and giants. (Paluxey river, Texas. Refs Whitcomb & Morris, Kofahl.)

    5. Remains of dinosaur unfossilised flesh found that couldn't have lasted so many millenia.

    6. There have been a few claimed modern sightings of living dinosaurs in some remote places like in Africa.

    7. There are evidences that the geological time scale can fall within biblical history.

    Traces of humans/humanoids and/or civilisation have been found in all periods of the geological time scale, as shown in
    'Forbidden Archaeology' by Cremo & Thompson.

    "Iron hammer in Cretaceous rock" ('London artefact')?
    Moab Man from Cretaceous period?

    "Many of the fossil leaves found in rocks of Cretaceous age are indistinguishable from those of some present-day flowering plants."
    Present day type insects and modern corals in Triassic.

    Hoeh claims that a geologic map of Palestine in the Upper Cretaceous shows 4 rivers similar to the 4 rivers of Eden in Genesis 2. (Jerusalem is considered by some biblical scholars to be the probable site of Eden.)
    Pictures from Sakkarah (Egypt) and Knossos (Crete) show possibly prehistoric air/swamp/sea animals/birds/fish.

    Bible seems to imply no seasons before the Flood because summer and winter first mentioned at end of the Flood. In Geological time scale Cambrian explosion (Creation?) ..., no seasons in Jurassic, worldwide break in Cretaceous (Flood?) Cenozoic "new era", seasons first appear in Oligocene.

    Multiple evidences Andes suddenly quickly raised higher within lifetime of ancient humans & civilisation, not uniformitarianly slowly over millenia.

    Dinosaurs mass grave(s) in Gobi "as if sand/water dumped on them" could mean they died more quick and more recently in or after the Flood.

    Some say that the word yome/yom/jom "day" in Genesis in Hebrew can mean a long period of time, and that the 6 days of creation could be a biblical geological time scale. (I don't necessarily hold this opinion myself but I include the point in the interest of giving any and all possible evidences.)

    All conventional dating methods are proven to have problems and are unreliable. Modern humans were not there then and can't prove their theories/dates.
    "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong." - Arthur C Clarke.

    Two (unclean) or seven (clean) dinosaurs could be taken on the Ark for 1 year by either taking eggs or young or genes.
     
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    Science says that the world is 14 billion years old and that all life evolved. They say God is a myth. They are wrong.
    Why would I listen to anything they say?
    I've seen the Incan stone videos where there are clearly dinosaurs on stones that were made before dinosaurs were discovered.
    There is a dark agenda that affects all of us and as purveyors of the truth, we need to wake up to it.
     
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    Job 40:15 speaks of the Behemoth and Job 41:1 speaks of the "Leviathan", but what are they ? Insight on the Scriptures (published by Jehovah's Witnesses) says this about Behemoth: "The designation “Behemoth,” appearing at Job 40:15, has been variously viewed as (1) a derivative of an Egyptian word for “water ox,” (2) a word possibly of Assyrian origin meaning “monster,” and (3) an intensified plural of the Hebrew word behe·mah´ (beast; domestic animal) that is understood to denote “great beast” or “huge beast.” In the Greek Septuagint the word the·ri´a (wild beasts) translates the Hebrew behe·mohth´. Evidently, though, a single animal is meant, as is indicated by the fact that the description given of Behemoth is not that of several creatures but of only one, generally considered to be the hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius). In fact, a number of Bible translations (AT, La, Ro, NW, JB, RS) use the word “hippopotamus” in the main text or in footnotes to identify the creature referred to by God."

    "The hippopotamus is a huge, thick-skinned, almost hairless mammal that frequents rivers, lakes, and swamps. It is noted for its short legs, huge jaws, and large head, which is said to weigh up to a ton. So great is the power in its jaw and teeth that one bite can pierce the armor of a crocodile. Full grown it may be 4 to 5 m (12 to 15 ft) long and may weigh up to 3,600 kg (8,000 lb). An amphibious creature, the hippopotamus, in spite of its prodigious size, can move relatively fast both in and out of water. It feeds on soft water plants, grass, reeds, and bushes, each day taking more than 90 kg (200 lb) of greenery into its 150- to 190-L (40 to 50 gal) stomach."

    "The skin of the hide, especially that of the belly, is extremely tough, hence able to withstand bumping and scraping as the hippopotamus drags its low body over sticks and stones of riverbeds. The nostrils are strategically located at the tip of the snout, and the eyes are high up on the front of the head, enabling the hippopotamus both to breathe and to see while it is almost completely submerged. The ears and valvelike nostrils close when it submerges. Even while sleeping, when the carbon dioxide in the blood reaches a certain level, the animal automatically surfaces for fresh air and then submerges again."

    "At one time the hippopotamus was found in most of the large lakes and rivers of Africa, but, as a result of man’s hunting, it has disappeared from many regions and is said to be unknown N of the cataract (waterfall) at Khartoum, Sudan. In ancient times the hippopotamus may even have frequented the Jordan. In fact, it is reported that tusks and bones of this creature have been found in various parts of Palestine."

    "The description in the 40th chapter of the book of Job offers a vivid word picture of this huge mammal, Behemoth. It is described as being herbivorous. (Vs 15) The sources of its tremendous power and energy are noted to be in the hips and in the tendons of its belly, that is, the muscles of its back and those of its belly. (Vs 16) The tail of Behemoth is like a cedar. Since the tail of a hippopotamus is fairly short, measuring about 46 to 51 cm (18 to 20 in.), this is likely to be understood as meaning that the animal can set its thick tail rigidly upright or swing it about like a tree. “The sinews of its thighs are interwoven,” so that the fiber and tendons of muscles of its thighs are twisted together and braided like powerful cables. (Vs 17) The bones of its legs are as strong as “tubes of copper,” thus being able to support the great weight of the body. The bones and ribs are like wrought-iron rods. (Vs 18) The Behemoth’s immense consumption of food is alluded to (vs 20), and mention is made of its relaxing under the thorny lotus trees or concealing itself in a swampy place, beneath the shade of the poplars. (Vss 21, 22) Even when a river overflows its banks, this creature does not panic, for it can still keep its head above the level of water and swim against the force of the deluge. (Vs 23) Jehovah (God's personal name, Isa 12:2) asked Job: ‘Since Behemoth is so mighty and formidably equipped, would a man have the hardihood to try to confront it before its eyes and try to pierce its nose with a hook?’—Vs 24.(Vol 1, pgs 280-1)

    Of Leviathan, it says: "This Hebrew word occurs six times in the Bible. It is believed to come from a root word meaning “wreath”; hence the name indicates something that is “wreathed,” or “gathered into folds.” The word is transliterated in most Bible translations."

    "Since, with the exception of Job 3:8, the references mention water in connection with it, Leviathan appears to signify some form of aquatic creature of great proportions and strength, although not necessarily of one specific kind. Psalm 104:25, 26 describes it as cavorting (leaping around in) the sea where ships travel, and for this reason many suggest that the term here applies to some type of whale. Though whales are rare in the Mediterranean, they are not unknown there, and parts of two whale skeletons can be found in a museum at Beirut in Lebanon. An American Translation here says “crocodile” instead of Leviathan. Additionally, the word “sea” (yam) by itself is not determinative inasmuch as in Hebrew it can refer to a large inland body of water such as the Sea of Galilee (Sea of Chinnereth) (Nu 34:11; Jos 12:3), or even to the river Nile (Isa 19:5) or the Euphrates.—Jer 51:36."

    "The description of “Leviathan” at Job 41:1-34 aptly fits the crocodile, and the “sea” of verse 31 may refer to a river such as the Nile or another body of fresh water. It should be noted, however, that some crocodiles, as the Nile crocodiles (Crocodylus niloticus), are found along the seacoast and at times go out into the sea some distance from land."(Note: Australia has anywhere from 100,000 to 200,000 adult crocodiles from Broome, western Australia to the region of Queensland in the east, these being saltwater crocodiles, and in which their lifespan is about 70 years)

    "Psalm 74 describes God’s record of salvation for his people, and verses 13 and 14 refer symbolically to his deliverance of Israel from Egypt. Here the term “sea monsters [Heb., than·ni·nim´, plural of tan·nin´]” is used as a parallel expression to “Leviathan,” and the crushing of the heads of Leviathan may well refer to the crushing defeat administered to Pharaoh and his army at the time of the Exodus.(Ex 14:26-28) The Aramaic Targums here give “the strong ones of Pharaoh” in place of “the heads of Leviathan.” (Compare Eze 29:3-5, where Pharaoh is likened to a “great sea monster” in the midst of the Nile canals; also Eze 32:2.) Isaiah 27:1 apparently employs Leviathan (LXX [Greek Septuagint], “the dragon”) as a symbol of an empire, an organization that is international in scope and that is dominated by one who himself is referred to as “serpent” and “dragon.” (Re 12:9) The prophecy is one of restoration for Israel, and therefore Jehovah’s ‘turning attention’ to Leviathan must include Babylon. However, verses 12 and 13 consider Assyria and Egypt as well. So, Leviathan here evidently refers to an international organization or empire that is in opposition to Jehovah and his worshipers."(Vol 2, pgs 240-1)
     
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    I say possibly. I'm not as much into the biological sciences as I am physics, astronomy and mathematics, but there are two main schools of thought that I am aware of. Both assume that death and recycling is the natural state (even stars are born and die). The one position is that there is an undetermined amount of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 where a pre-Adamic flood took place (water from a large meteor hit?). It was this world where the dinosaurs lived and ancient life before being destroyed. After that flood took place a special being, Adam, was created in God's image. Life that occurred each "day" was actually a recreation since Adam was told to "replenish" the earth. The other theory is that the Genesis account is indeed creation, but on a longer time scale than what it makes it sound. Adam was a special creation able to spiritually connect with God but there were man-like beings before him. The thinking is that there were "cities" for Adams first sons to go to (who are those people?). It may explain Genesis 6 i.e. sons of God (Adam's linage) vs pre-adamic daughters. As fantastic and scientifically reasonable this theory is, I gravitate toward the first one believing there is more evidence thus in Genesis 6 there are no pre-Adamic men. They are all Adamic.

    Now, back to the dinosaurs. If there was a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, then that explains science nicely given they were around before mankind. However, I am fair and weigh all theories. While I don't embrace the second one, there are questions. Regarding dinosaurs, where did the idea come of the brave knight fighting off a dragon to save the princess? Were there at one time such creatures co-existent with mankind? I don't know. As I always quip, nobody goes to bed one night and dream all this up. It has to come from somewhere, even if it's a distorted form.
     
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    He didn't have to bring the biggest one he could find.

    Much love!
     
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    Exodus 20:
    11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Now try and prove a pre creation creation! Dinosaurs lived on the earth so the Lord created them in six days.

    Job spoke of a dinosaur.

    David spoke of a dinosaur. Just because they are detailed enough for you doesn't change the facts.
     
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