BARNEY BRIGHT
Well-Known Member
To robert derrick,
I was saying I could care less what you or anybody else's opinion is as to whether I know God or not, but just because you or anyone thinks I don't know God or Jesus doesn't mean I don't know them. You have a right to your opinion but that's all it is and I don't live my life by your opinions or speculations or judgements. I don't care if you think I'm interllecturizing on the scriptures either, just because you or anyone else believes that I am intellecturizing, doesn't mean that I am. However you saying that I'm intellecturizing helps me understand that you don't want me or anyone else to use our power of reason as the scriptures say we should, but instead you want us to blindly believe you. You're an imperfect person like everyone else who has a right to his opinions, but that's all I've heard from you, is your opinions and spectulations. I've asked you several times where in the scriptures where it says that the angels were created immortal and you haven't done that.
You quoted this scripture, "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
Then you completely ignored what this scripture said. This scripture in no way says that these persons already have immortality, not in any way or sense. This scripture says these persons are mortal and corruptible and are changed to immortal and incorruptible persons. So for you to try to use this scripture to prove these persons already have immortality before they are changed is in error.
For anyone to say that we have immortal souls in our body shows they don't agree with the scriptures. When God created Adam it says at Genesis 2:7- "YHWH God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow the breath of life into his nostrils and the man became a living person." This scripture shows us that it's the combination of God taking dust from the ground forming a man and blowing the breath of life into the mans nostrils that makes him a living person. So if you take the breath of life from the human flesh you're no longer talking about a living person. So someone saying a immortal soul leaves the body at death and this immortal soul is a living person is disagreeing with scripture. Man doesn't have an immortal soul he is a soul. When talking about man you always have to include the human body when talking about the soul in Scripture
You can say I'm a, "carnal man that knows nothing of my soul and spirit," but its you who disagree with the scriptures, not me. By you believing in your interpretation of scripture instead of what the scripture actually say you're interpretation is saying a person doesn't die so you have put yourself on the serpents side who told Eve, she wouldn't die. You're calling YHWH God a liar just as the serpent did.
I said, "We know that the True God YHWH is all powerful that he is the Almighty God. That helps us to understand that just as God can create something out of nothing he can destroy rebellious angels(Satan and his demons) out of existence." Then you said, "God can do that, but does not do that, not in Scripture." I disagree, the scriptures show us death is the opposite of life and Satan and his demons are thrown into the Lake of Fire which the scriptures tell us is the second death. So yes the scriptures do show that Satan and demons, death, and Hades, all being thrown into the Lake of Fire are destroyed out of existence.
You said, "God's first creation of heaven and earth will flee away from His presence and have no place in His new heaven and new earth: the tormented will not be anywhere near, but in the lake of fire that is the dissolved earth of old.
They who refuse to repent of sinning and so sin unto the end, will have their earth forever, in the heart of the hearth now, with a judgment of the dead to come, and then in the lake of fire that was the old earth."
When the scriptures talk about the heaven and earth fleeing away from God's presence it's not talking about the literal planet earth or the literal heaven. God created the physical universe along with planet earth to stand forever. The scriptures show us this because at Matthew 6:10 when Jesus was teaching his apostles to pray it says in part, "Let your kingdom come: Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth." So ask yourself a question, what's God will for heaven and those who reside in heaven. Heaven will exist forever and so will all those who exist in heaven. So since it's God's will for heaven and those who exist in heaven to exist forever so this physical universe along with planet earth exist forever.
I was saying I could care less what you or anybody else's opinion is as to whether I know God or not, but just because you or anyone thinks I don't know God or Jesus doesn't mean I don't know them. You have a right to your opinion but that's all it is and I don't live my life by your opinions or speculations or judgements. I don't care if you think I'm interllecturizing on the scriptures either, just because you or anyone else believes that I am intellecturizing, doesn't mean that I am. However you saying that I'm intellecturizing helps me understand that you don't want me or anyone else to use our power of reason as the scriptures say we should, but instead you want us to blindly believe you. You're an imperfect person like everyone else who has a right to his opinions, but that's all I've heard from you, is your opinions and spectulations. I've asked you several times where in the scriptures where it says that the angels were created immortal and you haven't done that.
You quoted this scripture, "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
Then you completely ignored what this scripture said. This scripture in no way says that these persons already have immortality, not in any way or sense. This scripture says these persons are mortal and corruptible and are changed to immortal and incorruptible persons. So for you to try to use this scripture to prove these persons already have immortality before they are changed is in error.
For anyone to say that we have immortal souls in our body shows they don't agree with the scriptures. When God created Adam it says at Genesis 2:7- "YHWH God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow the breath of life into his nostrils and the man became a living person." This scripture shows us that it's the combination of God taking dust from the ground forming a man and blowing the breath of life into the mans nostrils that makes him a living person. So if you take the breath of life from the human flesh you're no longer talking about a living person. So someone saying a immortal soul leaves the body at death and this immortal soul is a living person is disagreeing with scripture. Man doesn't have an immortal soul he is a soul. When talking about man you always have to include the human body when talking about the soul in Scripture
You can say I'm a, "carnal man that knows nothing of my soul and spirit," but its you who disagree with the scriptures, not me. By you believing in your interpretation of scripture instead of what the scripture actually say you're interpretation is saying a person doesn't die so you have put yourself on the serpents side who told Eve, she wouldn't die. You're calling YHWH God a liar just as the serpent did.
I said, "We know that the True God YHWH is all powerful that he is the Almighty God. That helps us to understand that just as God can create something out of nothing he can destroy rebellious angels(Satan and his demons) out of existence." Then you said, "God can do that, but does not do that, not in Scripture." I disagree, the scriptures show us death is the opposite of life and Satan and his demons are thrown into the Lake of Fire which the scriptures tell us is the second death. So yes the scriptures do show that Satan and demons, death, and Hades, all being thrown into the Lake of Fire are destroyed out of existence.
You said, "God's first creation of heaven and earth will flee away from His presence and have no place in His new heaven and new earth: the tormented will not be anywhere near, but in the lake of fire that is the dissolved earth of old.
They who refuse to repent of sinning and so sin unto the end, will have their earth forever, in the heart of the hearth now, with a judgment of the dead to come, and then in the lake of fire that was the old earth."
When the scriptures talk about the heaven and earth fleeing away from God's presence it's not talking about the literal planet earth or the literal heaven. God created the physical universe along with planet earth to stand forever. The scriptures show us this because at Matthew 6:10 when Jesus was teaching his apostles to pray it says in part, "Let your kingdom come: Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth." So ask yourself a question, what's God will for heaven and those who reside in heaven. Heaven will exist forever and so will all those who exist in heaven. So since it's God's will for heaven and those who exist in heaven to exist forever so this physical universe along with planet earth exist forever.
