Crusades Began with Reconquista

[rockytopva]

 

[Armour of God]

Great video. I've seen it before.

Actually, a reconquista began in 718, centuries before the start of the official Crusades in 1095, and finished in 1492, centuries after the end of the official Crusades in 1291.

However, it was a part of the same holy war against the spread of Islam into Europe and was considered to be the western front of the Crusades and Christian defence of Europe.

The difference between the Crusades and the broader Christian defence against Islam is that the Crusades were funded by the Papal states.

Given my background, my ancestors were almost certainly a part of the reconquista in some form or another.

Like the Byzantine empire of eastern Europe, western Europe would of also been engulfed by Islam as well, if not for the brave men that fought against the Muslims in the reconquista over a period of almost 800 years. I am forever greatful for their efforts and sacrifices.

These nations of Portugal and Spain would soon go on to begin the golden age of exploration, discovering new lands and shipping routes, and spreading the gospel all around the world from the Americas to far East Asia and everything in between.

VIVA PORTUGAL
VIVA ESPAÑA
VIVA CHRISTIANITY

 

[Matthias]

This isn’t viva Christianity. This is viva Roman Catholicism.

 

[Wrangler]

I never knew how Portugal came into existence. My paternal grandmother is from Portugal.

 

[rockytopva]

This isn’t viva Christianity. This is viva Roman Catholicism.

What did you expect out of the people of the time? To convert to Islam?

 

[Wrangler]

What did you expect out of the people of the time? To convert to Islam?

This guy limits defending the faith to verbal argument, even when the attack against Christian nations is physical violence! See his posts in the thread Reasons For the Crusades.

 

[Matthias]

What did you expect out of the people of the time? To convert to Islam?

No.

What does Jesus expect his followers to do when they are being persecuted?

Doesn’t Jesus himself tell us and show us? Don’t the apostles?

”We do not use the weapons of the world.” - Paul

 

[Matthias]

This guy limits defending the faith to verbal argument, even when the attack against Christian nations is physical violence!

That’s false.

See his posts in the thread Reasons For the Crusades.

Please do.

 

[rockytopva]

No.

What does Jesus expect his followers to do when they are being persecuted?

Doesn’t Jesus himself tell us and show us? Don’t the apostles?

”We do not use the weapons of the world.” - Paul

There are times to take up the sword...

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. - Luke 22:36

 

[Armour of God]

I never knew how Portugal came into existence. My paternal grandmother is from Portugal.

Portugal was first a county before becoming it's own kingdom. It refused to join Spain.
That's why us Portuguese are very stubborn people's, in a good way. It's in our blood.
Refused to lay down to Islam.
Refused to join Spain.
Refused to stay put so they conquered the seas
My parents are very stubborn
I sense some stubbornness in you too Wrangler, lol, its the Portuguese in you. LoL
For a tiny nation they punched above their weight

 

[Matthias]

There are times to take up the sword...

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. - Luke 22:36

This has been addressed thoroughly, by myself and others, in the thread which @Wrangler encouraged you to read.

”We do not use the weapons of the world.” - Jesus, via Paul

When did Jesus and the apostles use the weapons of the world to kill their enemies?

It’s a rhetorical question. They didn’t use the sword to kill their enemies. They didn’t kill their enemies. They were killed by their enemies.

 

[Armour of God]

What did you expect out of the people of the time? To convert to Islam?

That's what he expects.
His an Islamic symaphizer.

 

[Matthias]

That's what he expects.

That’s not what I expect.

His an Islamic symaphizer.

No. I teach, preach, and practice the Messiah’s way.

The threat of violence - be it from Islam or any other religion - will not cause me to teach, preach and practice any other way.

 

[rockytopva]

The US remained neutral at the beginning of WW2... In which was correct
The US bore arms against the Axis after the Pearl Harbor attack... In which was correct
The US moved to restore peace with Germany and Japan after the conflict... In which was correct

700 AD... Muslims invade the Iberian Peninsula... To drive them out was the thing to do. Especially when they are demanding folk in their held territories to convert to Islam on penalty of death.

 

[Matthias]

The US remained neutral at the beginning of WW2... In which was correct
The US bore arms against the Axis after the Pearl Harbor attack... In which was correct
The US moved to restore peace with Germany and Japan after the conflict... In which was correct

You’re speaking about the government. See Romans 13.

700 AD... Muslims invade the Iberian Peninsula... To drive them out was the thing to do. Especially when they are demanding folk in their held territories to convert to Islam on penalty of death.

That’s the role of the government, not the church.

 

[Matthias]

That's what he expects.

Is that what C.H. Spurgeon expected? If you don’t know, ask @Wrangler. He knows what Spurgeon expected. He also knows it’s the same thing that I expect.

Do you know @rockytopva?

 

[rockytopva]

You’re speaking about the government. See Romans 13.



That’s the role of the government, not the church.

There are times when Christians (Protestant, Catholic, whatever) get carried away... In which you have got a point. To expect others to convert to Christianity on penalty of death is not the thing to do. I would say though, when an attack is made against the people of your area... There is a time to put up a fight!

 

[Matthias]

There are times when Christians (Protestant, Catholic, whatever) get carried away... In which you have got a point.

My only point is that Jesus and the apostles didn’t teach followers of Jesus to kill their enemies. He and they explicitly taught us how to respond to our enemies at all times. They modeled it for us.

To expect others to convert to Christianity on penalty of death is not the thing to do.

Christianity has been guilty at times of doing that.

I would say though, when an attack is made against the people of your area... There is a time to put up a fight!

That’s fine. What kind of fight did Jesus, the apostles, and the early church for the first three centuries of Christian history put up against those who physically attacked them in the areas where they lived? That’s the kind of fighting which followers of Jesus are called to put up.

 

[Matthias]

What would it take for you not to follow the way of Jesus and the apostles? If someone threatens to kill you if you don’t, would that do the trick?

”You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

Test the spirit.

That’s not the spirit of Jesus. That’s the spirit of the devil.