Curious?

[Angelina]

Can anyone tell me what this proverb means?

 

[aspen]

Double-minded people have no foundation.

However, on the contrary, people who always double down even when they are wrong fail to adapt and become irrelevant

 

[bbyrd009]

Double-minded people have no foundation.

hmm, interesting how you got double in there twice lol

what is "double-minded" tho, i guess we have kind of an "undefined" there

 

[bbyrd009]

imo another way to state the proverb might be

if you accept/set up dualities, "us" and "them," at some point everyone else will be revealed as "them."

 

[aspen]

hmm, interesting how you got double in there twice lol

what is "double-minded" tho, i guess we have kind of an "undefined" there

Several competing agendas

 

[ScottA]

Can anyone tell me what this proverb means?

This translation uses the word "duplicity", while others use "perversity."

It is a house divided.

 

[Angelina]

Double-minded people have no foundation.

However, on the contrary, people who always double down even when they are wrong fail to adapt and become irrelevant

That makes sense aspen [hello sugar] so duplicity is doublemindedness?

 

[Angelina]

imo another way to state the proverb might be

if you accept/set up dualities, "us" and "them," at some point everyone else will be revealed as "them."

Ewww... another good point bbyrd.

 

[Angelina]

This translation uses the word "duplicity", while others use "perversity."

It is a house divided.

Perversity? that seems to change the whole way of looking at this verse? hmmm...

 

[bbyrd009]

sugar? hmm

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Could double-minded and a house divided be the same? "No man can serve two masters."

 

[Helen]

Could double-minded and a house divided be the same? "No man can serve two masters."

Yes I agree....and believe it is.
Both speak in instability.
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways " James 1:8
and...
Mark 3:25 "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."

 

[amadeus]

@Angelina

Yes I agree....and believe it is.
Both speak in instability.
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways " James 1:8
and...
Mark 3:25 "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."

We are double minded until we have completely overcome the "old man" within us by means of the "new man". It is something that each one us needs to do in order to please God:

"From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?" James 4:1

God loses no battles, but we lose them because we quench the Spirit of God in us. This means that we take Him out of the fight and of course then lose yet another battle.

Do we have integrity? Integrity means probably honesty. The cited verse [Prov 11:3] speaks of the integrity of the upright. Consider Job:

"Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him." Job 13:15

Job was perfect and upright before God [Job 1:1] but in the above verse [13:15] was where he seemed to have a problem. He maintained not God Way, but his own ways. Yes, Job was double minded, on the one hand trusting God as an upright man, but on the other maintaining his own ways. This was perhaps what God was working on in Job with all of the trials of loss of goods, children and health.

Along with John the Baptist, Job needed a decrease and an increase:

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

Increase the new man and decrease the old with the purpose of eventually eliminating double mindedness in every member of the Body of Christ:

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Isaiah 11:6-9

 

[Helen]

We are double minded until we have completely overcome the "old man" within us by means of the "new man". It is something that each one us needs to do in order to please God:

"From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?" James 4:1
God loses no battles, but we lose them because we quench the Spirit of God in us. This means that we take Him out of the fight and of course then lose yet another battle.

Do we have integrity? Integrity means probably honesty. The cited verse [Prov 11:3] speaks of the integrity of the upright. Consider Job:

"Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him." Job 13:15

Job was perfect and upright before God [Job 1:1] but in the above verse [13:15] was where he seemed to have a problem. He maintained not God Way, but his own ways. Yes, Job was double minded, on the one hand trusting God as an upright man, but on the other maintaining his own ways. This was perhaps what God was working on in Job with all of the trials of loss of goods, children and health.

Along with John the Baptist, Job needed a decrease and an increase:

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

Increase the new man and decrease the old with the purpose of eventually eliminating double mindedness in every member of the Body of Christ:

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Isaiah 11:6-9

As you know John...I believe that we so often get side-tracked by trying to do what God has done. I find my overcoming is in watching my focus ..and it cannot be in getting ride or overcoming the old man. Agree?
That I believe is the double mindedness that causes us to be unstable.
Living with one foot in the old man and one in the new.
In other words...living in Romans 7 rather than living in Romans 8
I have always been persuaded that Paul wrote Romans 7 to show what he himself was like when he lived ' flesh consciously' and old man conscious...and he shows us the freedom or the linking verse between Chp 7 and chap 8 " I thank God through Jesus Christ.."

I think it is such a thin line and even now I still slip onto Romans 7 again.
Yet I strongly believe that we need to live in= When Jesus died on the cross I died. Period, no if's and's or but's. We move into Roman's 8 and don't step back again.

 

[amadeus]

As you know John...I believe that we so often get side-tracked by trying to do what God has done. I find my overcoming is in watching my focus ..and it cannot be in getting ride or overcoming the old man. Agree?
That I believe is the double mindedness that causes us to be unstable.
Living with one foot in the old man and one in the new.

We have done it and are probably still doing it. This is the message of King David's life. He would slip into sin, but each time he really would repent and be prepared to receive whatever God dictated as his punishment. It was that attitude which made him a man after God's own heart. If we are living in that attitude [Spirit] when that big truck slams into our physical bodies and kills them, we have died pleasing God. It is not as simple as that, but then again it is.

If we were to slip into sin one time and then without making that one error right with God we go ahead and sin a second time our danger would be at its greatest. If we have been living generally above sin in the Spirit and we slip once, God won't take us until we've been given at least an opportunity to make it right. If don't make it right before messing up again, there may not be a second chance. Some people live for God too close to the edge of the precipice.

God is merciful and may let us commit that second sin without sending in the big truck, but if we live counting on that undeserved second [or third and so forth] chance, we may receive an unpleasant surprise.

In other words...living in Romans 7 rather than living in Romans 8
I have always been persuaded that Paul wrote Romans 7 to show what he himself was like when he lived ' flesh consciously' and old man conscious...and he shows us the freedom or the linking verse between Chp 7 and chap 8 " I thank God through Jesus Christ.."

I think it is such a thin line and even now I still slip onto Romans 7 again.
Yet I strongly believe that we need to live in= When Jesus died on the cross I died. Period, no if's and's or but's. We move into Roman's 8 and don't step back again.

It is written that way throughout scripture. The following verse explains it to me:

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." I Cor 10:13