Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

[claninja]

In Daniel 9:25, there are seven weeks and sixty-two weeks from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until “the messiah the prince.” Then, in verse 26a, it explains what happens after the seven weeks and sixty-two weeks, “the messiah” is cut off, and in verse 26b, the people of “the prince” who is to come destroy the city and the sanctuary.

If the “Messiah” in verse 26a naturally refers back to the “Messiah” in verse 25, why wouldn’t the “prince” in verse 26b also naturally refer back to the “prince” in verse 25? What in the grammar or context requires the reader to identify the repeated “Messiah” as the same figure, but treat the repeated “prince” as someone entirely different?

25. Know3045therefore and understand,7919that from4480 the going forth4161 of the commandment1697to restore7725 and to build1129Jerusalem3389unto5704 the messiah4899 the prince5057 shall be seven7651weeks,7620 and threescore8346 and two8147 weeks:7620the street7339 shall be built1129again,7725 and the wall,2742 even in troublous6695times.6256

26 a.) And after310threescore8346 and two8147 weeks7620shall messiah4899be cut off,3772 but not369 for himself:

26 b.) and the people5971of the prince5057that shall come935shall destroy7843 the city5892and the sanctuary;6944 and the end7093thereof shall be with a flood,7858 and unto5704the end7093of the war4421desolations8074 are determined.2782

 

[covenantee]

In Daniel 9:25, there are seven weeks and sixty-two weeks from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until “the messiah the prince.” Then, in verse 26a, it explains what happens after the seven weeks and sixty-two weeks, “the messiah” is cut off, and in verse 26b, the people of “the prince” who is to come destroy the city and the sanctuary.

If the “Messiah” in verse 26a naturally refers back to the “Messiah” in verse 25, why wouldn’t the “prince” in verse 26b also naturally refer back to the “prince” in verse 25? What in the grammar or context requires the reader to identify the repeated “Messiah” as the same figure, but treat the repeated “prince” as someone entirely different?

25. Know3045therefore and understand,7919that from4480 the going forth4161 of the commandment1697to restore7725 and to build1129Jerusalem3389unto5704 the messiah4899 the prince5057 shall be seven7651weeks,7620 and threescore8346 and two8147 weeks:7620the street7339 shall be built1129again,7725 and the wall,2742 even in troublous6695times.6256

26 a.) And after310threescore8346 and two8147 weeks7620shall messiah4899be cut off,3772 but not369 for himself:

26 b.) and the people5971of the prince5057that shall come935shall destroy7843 the city5892and the sanctuary;6944 and the end7093thereof shall be with a flood,7858 and unto5704the end7093of the war4421desolations8074 are determined.2782

Yes, they're grammatical referents.

 

[Truth7t7]

In Daniel 9:25, there are seven weeks and sixty-two weeks from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until “the messiah the prince.” Then, in verse 26a, it explains what happens after the seven weeks and sixty-two weeks, “the messiah” is cut off, and in verse 26b, the people of “the prince” who is to come destroy the city and the sanctuary.

If the “Messiah” in verse 26a naturally refers back to the “Messiah” in verse 25, why wouldn’t the “prince” in verse 26b also naturally refer back to the “prince” in verse 25? What in the grammar or context requires the reader to identify the repeated “Messiah” as the same figure, but treat the repeated “prince” as someone entirely different?

25. Know3045therefore and understand,7919that from4480 the going forth4161 of the commandment1697to restore7725 and to build1129Jerusalem3389unto5704 the messiah4899 the prince5057 shall be seven7651weeks,7620 and threescore8346 and two8147 weeks:7620the street7339 shall be built1129again,7725 and the wall,2742 even in troublous6695times.6256

26 a.) And after310threescore8346 and two8147 weeks7620shall messiah4899be cut off,3772 but not369 for himself:

26 b.) and the people5971of the prince5057that shall come935shall destroy7843 the city5892and the sanctuary;6944 and the end7093thereof shall be with a flood,7858 and unto5704the end7093of the war4421desolations8074 are determined.2782

No need for a new thread, the topic has been beat to death over the past month in another thread posted

 

[claninja]

No need for a new thread, the topic has been beat to death over the past month in another thread posted

I haven’t seen why someone would argue the messiah in 26a = the messiah in 25, while the prince in 26b doesn’t equal the prince in 25 from purely an internal grammatical/contextual standpoint.

I understand that premils will argue the prince in 26b does not equal the prince 25 because of external framework, but I’m curious as to internal contextual reasons. Can a premil confidently demonstrate with internal context/grammar why the prince in Daniel 26b is not the prince of vs 25?

 

[IndianaRob]

I haven’t seen why someone would argue the messiah in 26a = the messiah in 25, while the prince in 26b doesn’t equal the prince in 25 from purely an internal grammatical/contextual standpoint.

I understand that premils will argue the prince in 26b does not equal the prince 25 because of external framework, but I’m curious as to internal contextual reasons. Can a premil confidently demonstrate with internal context/grammar why the prince in Daniel 26b is not the prince of vs 25?

There is no way demonstrate who the prince is in 26b based on grammar or context.