Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

[CTK]

And Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree of when that will happen. In Matthew 24:31 when Jesus returns, God will bring all of Daniel's people scattered around the world in the nations to the land of Israel.

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And Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree of when that will happen. In Matthew 24:31 when Jesus returns, God will bring all of Daniel's people scattered around the world in the nations to the land of Israel.

The fig tree parable has nothing to do with the 70 weeks of years prophecy… why would you bring in that when Daniel specifically tells us who, when, where the restoration of the Jews and the city will take place ?

 

[CTK]

But you know very well that Daniels people are not just the Jews, or even just from the 12 tribes of Israel, but since Jesus came; they consist of people from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:8-10

The main group who the angels will gather to Jesus, will be the faithful Christians who were taken to the place of safety during the time of 'beast' world control. Revelation 12:14

No, these are the people that went into exile to Babylon and would return to Jerusalem BEFORE the arrival of Jesus on the first day of the 70th week prophecy. That is what the 70 weeks prophecy is all about - their return to Jerusalem.

 

[Douggg]

The fig tree parable has nothing to do with the 70 weeks of years prophecy… why would you bring in that when Daniel specifically tells us who, when, where the restoration of the Jews and the city will take place ?

Daniel's people, the Jews, have all not been restored back to the land of Israel. Still scattered in the nations around the world.

Daniel's people, the Jews, refer to that final gathering, when all the Jews are gathered out of the nations with none remaining there, as" the final redemption". You can go to any Jewish (Judaism) website that is what they will tell you.

 

[CTK]

Daniel's people, the Jews, have all not been restored back to the land of Israel. Still scattered in the nations around the world.

Daniel's people, the Jews, refer to that final gathering, when all the Jews are gathered out of the nations with none remaining there, as" the final redemption". You can go to any Jewish (Judaism) website that is what they will tell you.

Dougg, this is before the Jews returned to Jerusalem… not after he cross.

 

[Keraz]

No, these are the people that went into exile to Babylon and would return to Jerusalem BEFORE the arrival of Jesus on the first day of the 70th week prophecy. That is what the 70 weeks prophecy is all about - their return to Jerusalem.

Only a small number of Jews returned from Babylon. The remainder are still scattered around the world and they retain their identity.
But the 10 Northern tribes of Israel, have lost their identity, Jesus came to save them, Matthew 15:24, and we Christians are the result, WE are; therefore - the true Israelites of God.
Proof of this truth is how Christians are as many as the sands of the sea; an uncountable number, whereas the Jewish people are known and 8 million live in Israel, with about the same number still in diaspora. They now face punishment for their continued rejection of Jesus Messiah. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Romans 9:27

 

[Keraz]

Daniel's people, the Jews, have all not been restored back to the land of Israel. Still scattered in the nations around the world.

Daniel's people, the Jews, refer to that final gathering, when all the Jews are gathered out of the nations with none remaining there, as" the final redemption". You can go to any Jewish (Judaism) website that is what they will tell you.

You simply overlook the entire New Testament, to make Daniels people only the Jews.
WE Christians are the People of God, his overcomers; His true Israelites.

 

[Douggg]

You simply overlook the entire New Testament, to make Daniels people only the Jews.
WE Christians are the People of God, his overcomers; His true Israelites.

Christians did not exist at the time the 70 weeks were determined on Daniel's people and Jerusalem in Daniel 9:24.

 

[Douggg]

Dougg, this is before the Jews returned to Jerusalem… not after he cross.

The term "restore" in Daniel 9:25 is in regards to Jerusalem. Not the Jewish people.

Daniel 9:
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Daniel's people, the Jews, have all not been restored back to the land of Israel. Still scattered in the nations around the world.

Daniel's people, the Jews, refer to that final gathering, when all the Jews are gathered out of the nations with none remaining there, as" the final redemption". You can go to any Jewish (Judaism) website that is what they will tell you.

Look at Douggg basing his understanding of scripture on what those who follow a false religion say, as if they have the correct understanding of scripture. That says it all.

 

[Douggg]

Look at Douggg basing his understanding of scripture on what those who follow a false religion say, as if they have the correct understanding of scripture. That says it all.

The Jews are going by what is in Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

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Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The two phrase in Deuteronomy 30:4 and Matthew 24:31, are figures of speech to mean even from the furthest away of places..

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Jews are going by what is in Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

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Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The two phrase in Deuteronomy 30:4 and Matthew 24:31, are figures of speech to mean even from the furthest away of places..

Yes, you let Christ-rejecting Jews who follow a false religion tell you how to interpret scripture. Not a good idea, Douggg.

If Matthew 24:31 meant what you think it means, then what do you make of this:

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

It seems that in your view "the uttermost part of the earth" and "the uttermost part of heaven" mean the same thing, thereby making Jesus's statement redundant and nonsensical. But, the reality is that He was talking about the elect being gathered from heaven (the souls of the dead in Christ) and from earth (those who are alive and remain) after which they all will meet Him in the air, as Paul taught (1 Thess 4:14-17).

 

[covenantee]

The Jews are going by what is in Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

No, they aren't. They go by what is in the Babylonian talmud, which to them supersedes the Pentateuch in its entirety.

Jesus denounced it and them.

Mark 7
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[Phoneman777]

Brethren in Christ -- BEWARE of those who try to convince you that the final 70th week of Daniel 9 was included within Christ's Ministry.

They will try to keep you dwelling on the sole Daniel 9:27 verse. Yet there are many, many other statements of prophecy in God's Word which prove Daniel's final "one week" is still yet to be fulfilled to this day.

1. The Dan.9:27 verse involves the ending of the Jew's daily sacrifices along with the PLACING of an "abomination that maketh desolate" event in Daniel 11:31 done by the "vile person" spoken of starting at Dan.11:21. Both... of those events are mentioned in Dan.9:27 and in Dan.11:31. So why would someone want to disregard the Dan.11 chapter on that?

2. Daniel 11:21 forward reveals the "vile person" will make a "league" in Jerusalem with a small people (small group). That... is the idea of the confirming of the covenant that Dan.9:27 is pointing to.

3. God gave us a pattern for that ending of sacrifices in Jerusalem and the placing of an IDOL abomination inside the Jew's temple by Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. that conquered Jerusalem with an army, went inside the 2nd temple at Jerusalem, and sacrificed swine upon the altar inside, and spread its broth around inside the temple, and then setup an IDOL to false Zeus worship.

4. But around 200 years, Lord Jesus Christ quoting from the Daniel Scripture in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13, warning us about a false-Christ coming at the end of this world, with the placing of an "abomination of desolation" in another temple in Jerusalem, causing a repeat of the pattern of Antiochus IV.

5. Then the Daniel 7 and 8 Chapters have direct parallels to the Book of Revelation about the very end of this world. The "little horn" of Daniel 7 & 8 represents the beast king of Revelation 17 that the ten horns (ten kings) will give their power to for "one hour" (put for the "great tribulation" at the end of this world).

6. Even the Daniel 2 Chapter reveals that in the days of those kings, when the final beast of 5 pieces are setup together, the feet of ten toes (ten kings) of part iron and part clay, are destroyed as one beast by The Stone (Jesus Christ) which the builders rejected, smiting it upon its feet, then shall Christ's Eternal Kingdom be established over all this earth.

So just trying to dwell on the sole Daniel 9:27 verse does not get it done. The Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation about the end are hard connected, along with Christ's Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

So don't let anyone sway you from a proper coverage in all of God's Word with trying to use a single verse to feed you an old moldy sandwich from men's doctrines.

There are no "gaps" in any other prophecy where the duration given is numerically specific:

Noah was to preach for 120 years - no gaps.
Israel was to be in Egyptian bondage 400 years - no gaps.
Israel was to wander the desert 40 years - no gaps.
The famine Elijah predicted lasted 3 1/2 years - no gaps.
Ezekiel was to lie on his side 10 days - no gaps.
Israel was to remain in Babylonian captivity 70 years - no gaps.

Therefore, placing a "gap" between the 69th Week - which expired with Jesus coming up out of the Jordan - and the 70th Week finds no Biblical precedent whatsoever and is purely subjective hermeneutics.

The 70th Week immediately followed the 69th Week just as the rest of the Weeks followed in immediate succession. In the midst of it, Jesus was "cut off, but not for Himself". The 70th Week ended 7 years later when Stephen was stoned and the Gospel was carried by Paul to the Gentiles.

Don't be deceived by anyone who tells you there is a "gap" between the 69th and 70th Week.

 

[Jay Ross]

Don't be deceived by anyone who tells you there is a "gap" between the 69th and 70th Week.

There is, Daniel 26b and this prophecy has around a 2,000-year duration. Then there is a further 1,000-years before Daniel 7:27 can kick in.

It all comes down to how we understand God's prophetic word.

 

[Phoneman777]

There is, Daniel 26b and this prophecy has around a 2,000-year duration. Then there is a further 1,000-years before Daniel 7:27 can kick in.

Daniel 9:26 KJV
And after threescore and two weeks
(after the 7 of verse 25 and the threescore and two of verse 26 means during the 70th)
shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself:
(Jesus died to save us, not for any benefit to Himself)
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
("prince" is either "Messiah the Prince" or Roman general "Prince Titus" - antichrist is nowhere mentioned)
and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(Jerusalem overrun with a flood of Roman soldiers which killed millions and left the city desolate)

You can't fit a "2000" or "1000" year "gap" in a prophecy that's numerically specified to be only 490 years.

It all comes down to how we understand God's prophetic word.

We should understand there are no other Numerically Specific Time Prophecies which insert "gaps" - they always expire right on time after the number of years has elapsed, so there's no precedent whatsoever for inserting a "gap" in the 70 Weeks prophecy.

 

[Jay Ross]

Daniel 9:26 KJV
And after threescore and two weeks
(after the 7 of verse 25 and the threescore and two of verse 26 means during the 70th)
shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself:
(Jesus died to save us, not for any benefit to Himself)
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
("prince" is either "Messiah the Prince" or Roman general "Prince Titus" - antichrist is nowhere mentioned)
and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(Jerusalem overrun with a flood of Roman soldiers which killed millions and left the city desolate)

You can't fit a "2000" or "1000" year "gap" in a prophecy that's numerically specified to be only 490 years.

We should understand there are no other Numerically Specific Time Prophecies which insert "gaps" - they always expire right on time after the number of years has elapsed, so there's no precedent whatsoever for inserting a "gap" in the 70 Weeks prophecy.

If you had read my post above you would have noticed that I referenced Daniel 9:26b. This is what this part verse prophecy tells us: -

Daniel 9:26b: -​

And the people of the prince who is to come​

Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.​

The end of it shall be with a flood,​

And till the end of the war desolations are determined. ​

Now, first of all, there are six independent prophecies found in Daniel 9:24-27 and these independent prophecies are as follows: -

First Prophecy is: - {Duration: - 490 years}

24 "Seventy weeks are determined​

For your people and for your holy city,​

To finish the transgression,​

To make an end of sins.​

​

Second Prophecy is: - {Duration: - three days}

​

{And then} to make reconciliation for iniquity,​

To bring in everlasting righteousness,​

To seal up vision and prophecy,​

And to anoint a scared place {as being} Holy. ​

​

Third Prophecy is: - {Duration: - 483 years}

25 "Know therefore and understand,​

That from the going forth of the command​

To restore and build Jerusalem​

Until Messiah the Prince,​

There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;​

The street shall be built again, and the wall, ​

Even in troublesome times. ​

​

Fourth Prophecy is: - {Duration: - three days, the same as the Second prophecy}

​

26 "And after the sixty-two weeks​

Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;​

Fifth Prophecy is: - {Duration: - 2,000 years}

And the people of the prince who is to come​

Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.​

The end of it shall be with a flood,​

And till the end of the war desolations are determined. ​

​

Sixth Prophecy is: - {Duration: - seven years}

​

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;​

But in the middle of the week​

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.​

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,​

Even until the consummation, which is determined,​

Is poured out on the desolator."​

Now the fifth prophecy spanned from 66 AD until 73 AD and Wikipedia records this event in this manner: -

The siege of Jerusalem of 70 CE was the decisive event of the First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE), in which the Roman army led by future emperor Titus besieged Jerusalem, the centre of Jewish rebel resistance in the Roman province of Judaea. Following a five-month siege, the Romans destroyed the city, including the Second Jewish Temple.​

​

. . . . . .​

​

On Tisha B'Av, 70 CE (August 30),[8] Roman forces overwhelmed the defenders and set fire to the Temple. Resistance continued for another month, but eventually the upper and lower parts of the city were taken as well, and the city was burned to the ground.​

Now the last line of the of the fifth independent prophecy tells us this: -

And till the end of the war desolations are determined​

Now since Jerusalem and the surround country has been left desolated up and until this present time period, we can only conclude that there is a period of some 2,000 years between when Jerusalem was sacked in 70 AD and this present time period. The question is what war was being referenced by Daniel when he used the words, "till the end of the war"?

I would suggest that the war was in heaven and that it will end in around 20 years' time when Isaiah 24:21-22 is fulfilled.

Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that the judged Heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth will be imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment. In the Book of Revelation, we are also told that the time period of this imprisonment will be for 1,000 years.

Your claim that 'You can't fit a "2000" or "1000" year "gap" in a prophecy that's numerically specified to be only 490 years.' is a man-made constraint which does not fit the historical record of the associated events.

Goodbye

 

[Timtofly]

Do you mean the New Covenant He confirmed mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was for His people? Then I certainly agree, however, God knew they would reject His Messiah and this offer of salvation would be extended to the Gentiles.

The Atonement was for all of Adam's offspring, not just Jacob.

Daniel 9:24 was directed at Israel. They would facilitate in the process, as Jesus was Jacob's offspring.

Daniel 9:27 was not directed at Israel, but all of Adam's offspring. Neither Israel nor the church will be on the earth, when Daniel 9:27 is fulfilled.

 

[PGS11]

Danial knew nothing of Christianity nothing about Jesus and that he is now the sacrifice.He was not given a Christian view of the last days.So how do you reconcile that go back to the old Jewish sacrifice?Where does Christianity go? What is Jesus going to be replaced with blood sacrifices again I don't think so.The Antichrist will claim he is the sacrifice replacing Jesus but go ahead and wait for Jews to start sacrificing blood again it will never happen and certainly no real Christian would follow it why would they? I know I wouldn't I'm a Christian not a Jew Jesus is the sacrifice to me and always will be not some blood sacrifice.Who knows what kind of religion the Antichrist will start after he has his so called resurrection.He will resurrect people here and completely fool many some people might even believe he is Jesus.This world want immortality in this life and he will offer it and many will come running for it.Unfortunately there is no immortality in this life but many will believe there is.He will have supernatural power like this world has never seen and can call down destruction on places.

Its the only way he will be able to fool the world offer them what they want immortality its not what I want I want eternal life with God

 

[David in NJ]

Brethren in Christ -- BEWARE of those who try to convince you that the final 70th week of Daniel 9 was included within Christ's Ministry.

They will try to keep you dwelling on the sole Daniel 9:27 verse. Yet there are many, many other statements of prophecy in God's Word which prove Daniel's final "one week" is still yet to be fulfilled to this day.

1. The Dan.9:27 verse involves the ending of the Jew's daily sacrifices along with the PLACING of an "abomination that maketh desolate" event in Daniel 11:31 done by the "vile person" spoken of starting at Dan.11:21. Both... of those events are mentioned in Dan.9:27 and in Dan.11:31. So why would someone want to disregard the Dan.11 chapter on that?

2. Daniel 11:21 forward reveals the "vile person" will make a "league" in Jerusalem with a small people (small group). That... is the idea of the confirming of the covenant that Dan.9:27 is pointing to.

3. God gave us a pattern for that ending of sacrifices in Jerusalem and the placing of an IDOL abomination inside the Jew's temple by Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. that conquered Jerusalem with an army, went inside the 2nd temple at Jerusalem, and sacrificed swine upon the altar inside, and spread its broth around inside the temple, and then setup an IDOL to false Zeus worship.

4. But around 200 years, Lord Jesus Christ quoting from the Daniel Scripture in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13, warning us about a false-Christ coming at the end of this world, with the placing of an "abomination of desolation" in another temple in Jerusalem, causing a repeat of the pattern of Antiochus IV.

5. Then the Daniel 7 and 8 Chapters have direct parallels to the Book of Revelation about the very end of this world. The "little horn" of Daniel 7 & 8 represents the beast king of Revelation 17 that the ten horns (ten kings) will give their power to for "one hour" (put for the "great tribulation" at the end of this world).

6. Even the Daniel 2 Chapter reveals that in the days of those kings, when the final beast of 5 pieces are setup together, the feet of ten toes (ten kings) of part iron and part clay, are destroyed as one beast by The Stone (Jesus Christ) which the builders rejected, smiting it upon its feet, then shall Christ's Eternal Kingdom be established over all this earth.

So just trying to dwell on the sole Daniel 9:27 verse does not get it done. The Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation about the end are hard connected, along with Christ's Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

So don't let anyone sway you from a proper coverage in all of God's Word with trying to use a single verse to feed you an old moldy sandwich from men's doctrines.

Brethren in Christ -- BEWARE of those who try to convince you that the final 70th week of Daniel 9 was NOT included within Christ's Ministry.

24“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;(7+ 62 = 69)
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26“And after the sixty-two weeks(plus 7 = 69)
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

Messiah was cut-off AFTER the 69th week(7+62) = which is the 70th Week as shown in v24

The GOSPEL is the 70th Week! - without MESSIAH you cannot have:
a.) "an end of sins" = Cross = "It is FINISHED"
b.) "reconciliation for iniquity" = Hebrews chapter 9
c.) Everlasting Righteousness/Eternal Life = John 5:24
d.) "to seal up vision and prophecy" = Book of REVELATION
e.) "to anoint the Most Holy" = Hebrews chapter 9

 

[Timtofly]

Forgive me but I have not been following all of the responses to this post... Can you elaborate or tell me who has "permanent incorruptible physical bodies that are now in Paradise?" I would not want to comment until I understand the context.... thanks.

All who have been made alive since the Cross. The Cross was a physical death and resurrection, not an exercise in spiritual thinking.

Several schools of eschatology base their entire point on a future general resurrection as put forward by Daniel, and then allegedly echoed by Jesus.

Some claim that, saying the resurrection mentioned in Matthew 27 applied to all the OT as their last day resurrection is considered heresy.

You have put a lot of study time into the book of Daniel. Does Daniel explicitly spell out the entire work of the Cross, and how it has affected humanity for 2,000 years? If you can truthfully say no, then why would many use Daniel to trump all explicit NT passages on Jesus both as the Christ and the King to come? That would include a resurrection at the Cross, and the other one's mentioned in the NT, that Daniel never explicitly told us about.