Desolating Abomination

daq ... you just dont get it .... you come here thinking we dont know anything ??

You grab scriptures from all over the place and then try to glue them together in some kind of bizarre patchwork .

Using your patchwork style of theology a person can make the bible say anything.

Judas went away and hanged himself.
Go yee and do likewise

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How about you buy yourself a good book on systematic theology and try to learn from it.

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you are wrong and from here on out ignored.

 

Shalom, daq.

It's really quite simple. You are not allowing the Scriptures to speak for themselves; you ARREST them to say what YOU want them to say. That's how I know that YOU are the one who is "trying too hard."

The Scripture verses you just quoted from Hoshea's (Hosea's) book are a good example: The word translated "savior" or "saviour" (its Brittish spelling) is the Hebrew word "mowshiya`" and simply means a "rescuer" or a "deliverer." It does NOT mean that this must be Yeshua`!

Furthermore, the beasts that are listed are meant to represent YHWH Himself! Not some fictional "beasts within ourselves."

What do you do? Play "Bible roulette?" Spin the Bible and open it at random and wherever it opens those Scriptures have to be related to what you are talking about?! This passage has absolutely NO connection to what we were talking about in Luke 17:20-22! Indeed, NONE of the Scriptures which you quoted or to which you alluded had ANYTHING to do with them!

Just stick to the one Scripture passage, please, and hash it out from there!

Yeshua` was talking to the PHARISEES when He said, "the kingdom of God is 'within you!'" However, He was not talking to them individually; He was talking to them AS A GROUP!!! The word translated "you" (which, in the English of the KJV, is plural as opposed to the "thee" or "thou," which is singular) is the Greek word "humoon," a PLURAL WORD! And, as I've already said, the Greek word "entos" can mean "AMONG" as much as it can mean "within," depending on the context! You noted that "entos" comes from the shorter preposition "en" meaning "in," and that's true, but that can also mean "in the GROUP!" And, in THIS particular context, it should have been translated "AMONG!" He was not saying "the kingdom of God is within (each of) you"; He was saying "the kingdom of God is AMONG y'all," speaking directly to those "sons of Belial," the PHARISEES! He was not "waxing mysterious" or "spiritual"; He was saying to them, "HEY, guys! The KINGDOM OF GOD is RIGHT HERE, because I , the KING, am RIGHT HERE!" That's why it didn't have to come with observation or visible proof! IT WAS ALREADY THERE!!! HE WAS ALREADY THERE!!! BUT, He was not going to stick around for long! They were rejecting Him; so, He was going to reject them ... and LEAVE them! And, He warned His students that He was going to LEAVE THEM, TOO, in the process!

Do you get it, yet? Can you understand this? I don't know how much clearer I can get! Get your head out of the clouds and get your feet back on the ground! The Scriptures should NOT be misused as you misuse them! Indeed, your misuse of the Scriptures is SO bad, that it borders on abnormal! Thus, you "misuse" borders on "ABUSE!"

 

I am about to do a complete turnaround of my opinion about daq.

He has convinced me he has the biggest heart in the world.

I say that because he claims the abomination that will be set in the Jewish temple is actually in his heart.

And that my friends ...... requires a really big heart.

 

Shalom, daq.

This is a frequent mistake that well-meaning Christians make that should be corrected:

The "heart" is NOT talking about the "blood pump" that we carry in our chests.

"Heart" is an English translation of the Greek word "kardia" but the LATIN translation of that word is "cor" from which we get our word "core." The word means the "CORE of our thoughts," not the "blood pump!"

Just sayin'.

 

In order to gain an understanding of Scripture, it is often necessary to consider surrounding Scriptures, or context. At Matthew 24, the subject under discussion is events that happens during Jesus "presence" (Greek parousia), for four of Jesus apostles had asked (after Jesus had said that "by no means will a stone be left on a stone and not be thrown down" concerning the temple, verse 2): "Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things ?"(Matt 24:3)

Jesus lays out events that would give evidence of his "presence" though invisible (the major fulfillment that would happen after 1914 with Jesus installation as king of God's kingdom), speaking that "nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom....food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another" as a "beginning of pangs of distress."(Matt 24:7, 8) Over time, lack of love would dominate human society (Matt 24:12) and that a global preaching campaign about God's kingdom would be accomplished before "the end" comes.(Matt 24:14)

Jesus now says that when true Christians "catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains."(Matt 24:15) What was the "disgusting thing" that 1st century Christians saw, causing them to flee to the mountain city of Pella ?

In the 1st and minor fulfillment of Matthew 24:15, in speaking of the arrival of the Messiah at the end of "sixty-nine weeks of years" (or 483 years) at Daniel 9:24 (this time period began in 455 B.C.E. with king Artaxerxes allowing Nehemiah to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem, Neh 2, in which sixty-nine weeks of years ended in 29 C.E., with Jesus being baptized as the promised Messiah in the fall of that year., Matt 3:16, 17), it says that some time after Jesus death (or "cut off, with nothing for himself ", Dan 9:26a), that "the city and people for a leader that is coming will bring to their ruin. And the end of it will be by flood. And until the end there will be war (from April 3-August 30, 70 C.E.); what is decided upon is desolations."(Dan 9:26b)

The city of Jerusalem and "the holy place" (the temple as considered holy by the Jews), "the people of a leader (General Titus leading the Roman armies) that is coming (in 70 C.E.) will bring to their ruin"(or total decimation). "And the end of it will be by the flood (of about 60,000 soldiers flooding through Jerusalem when it was finally broke open). And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations."

After arriving in March 70 C.E., Roman General Titus had his men strip the countryside of timber for up to ten miles in order to built a pointed fortification of stakes (Greek charax, meaning “a stake, i.e. a palisade”) 4.5 miles that surrounded Jerusalem (it took the Roman soldiers just three days to complete that normally would take months), so that no one could go in or go out. The city was in lockdown.(see Luke 19:41-44)

Because the Jews rejected Titus offer of peace when he reached the temple, with him requesting that they “spare your own holy places and preserve the Sanctuary for your own use, offering you freedom to come out and a guarantee of safety”, it was then “decided upon is desolations".

Daniel 9:27b states that "upon the wing of disgusting things (Hebrew shiq·quts´ ) there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the lying desolate." Hence, when Titus army brought their pagan standards within the temple complex and erected them opposite the east gate, this was considered as "disgusting" by the Jews.

An "extermination" was "decided upon" by Titus, with the Roman army "go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate." Hence, the Roman army with their pagan standards (which were guarded with religious veneration in the temples in Rome) were seen as “disgusting things” by the Jews.

When the “war” was over on August 30, 70 C.E., the entire city was demolished, with only the towers of Herod’s palace and a portion of the western wall left standing. Of the temple, it was completely leveled, with ‘ not a stone being left upon a stone’.(Matt 24:2)

The major fulfillment of Matthew 24:15-21 is soon to occur, in which Jesus spoke of a “great tribulation such as not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” (Rev 7:14) Thus, there is still yet future “the disgusting thing” that is to decimate false religion, Babylon the Great.

Just as the Roman army was the political forces of the day that destroyed the temple in Jerusalem, with Judaism having been rejected by Jehovah God (Matt 23:37-39), so too the religions of the “world” (including Christendom) that are combined under one heading - Babylon the Great - will be ‘ desolated ‘ by the modern day “disgusting thing”, the United Nations, also called “the scarlet-colored wild beast” at Revelation 17:3.

The modern day “disgusting thing” will direct the “ten horns”, the political governments of the earth (Rev 17:12) to “hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire”.(Rev 17:16)

 

Shalom, daq.




I receive your statement as simply another accusation based in 2 Peter 3:16 of "wresting" the Scriptures. However, that is one of the very reasons I quote full passages of Scripture, (which apparently offends some here). If I take Scripture verses out of context then please show where? The matter of fact is that those not willing to post anything more than single line verses to support their theories are the ones wresting Scripture from its intended contexts so as to invent fanciful and imaginative new things for their "end of the world" scenarios. You and I appear to be from the two different aionos-ages; in my age ALL of the Scripture is in my thesaurus-treasury and comes forth both old and new. It appears you simply do not have enough Torah "in you" to understand what is being said. This is also the commandment concerning our partaking of the Pesach Lamb if indeed one will partake, (and before one may partake he must be "circumcised") and that is that you shall eat all of him, with both the good and the bitterness of the bitter herbs, and leave none of it till the "morning" come. Likewise the Pesach Lamb of YHWH is the WORD. Also "Mowshiya`" is transliterated "Messias" in the English reflection of the Greek but a "Meshiach" is simply an "anointed one" such as even Koresh was named, (the word Meshiach is of a "lesser status" than the word Mowshiya`). If only you and your counterparts would believe and understand such things you might likewise begin to understand the prophets and their writings, (i.e. Daniel 9:24-27 and the differences between "an anointed-meshiyach" and the Nagiyd-Commander of the Covenant). You want to speak of rightly dividing the Word but it appears that none of you do this when it comes to the most hotly debated passage in all of the prophetic writings; yet the Master himself explains why he is not the meshiyach of Daniel 9:24-27, and Paulos confirms this word. Even Strong's has it wrong in this respect because he, and most others now, have assumed that "Messias" comes from "meshiach" when it more likely comes from Mowshiya, (Mowshiya` is a form of Yesha`-Salvation which is Yeshua the right hand of the Father who is the only Salvation). Therefore when you say that Yeshua is Meshiach or when you write "Yeshua HaMeshiach" (HaMashiyach) you are unknowingly and unwittingly demoting the Master to a lesser status thinking yourself to be wise, (and the unbelieving Jews know this and laugh at you behind your back just so you know).
Was Koresh-Cyrus raised from the dead? Isaiah 45 concerns two different anointed ones: Koresh is merely an anointed-one-mashiyach. However the Tsemach-Tsedek, Branch of Righteouseness raised up in Tsdaqah-righteousness, is the Messias-Mowshiya`-Savior:

Isaiah 45:1-4
1. Thus saith YHWH to his mashiyach, to Kowresh, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
2. I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
3. And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I am YHWH, HaQowre' in the name of you, 'Elohey Yisra'el.
4. For the sake of Ya`aqob my servant, and Yisra'el mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 45:8-15
8. Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down tsedek-righteousness: let the earth open up, and let it bring forth the fruits of Yesha! and let tsdaqah-righteousness tsamach-sprout-shoots united; I YHWH did cut it down! [HSN#1254 bara']
9. Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
10. Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
11. Thus saith YHWH, the Holy One of Yisra'el and his Maker, Of things to come inquire ye concerning my sons? and concerning the work of my hands command ye me?
12. I have made the earth, and a man cut down [HSN#1254 bara'] upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
13. I raised him up in tsdaqah-righteousness, and all his ways are straight: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith YHWH Tsabaoth.
14. Thus saith YHWH, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely 'El is in thee; and there is none else, there is none [other] 'Elohiym!
15. Verily thou art the 'El that hidest thyself, O 'Elohay of Yisra'el, Mowshiya`.

Original Strong's Ref. #1254
Romanized bara'
Pronounced baw-raw'
a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes):
KJV--choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

Isaiah 45:1-15 Transliterated (Unaccented)
1. Koh- 'amar Yahweh limshiychow, l-Kowresh, 'sher-hechzaqtiy biymiynow lrad- lpanayw gowyim, Uwmatney mlakiym'pateach, liptoach lpanayw dlatayim uwsh`ariym lo'yicageruw:
2. 'Aniy lpaneyka 'elek. Wahrariym {*}'yasher {*}. Daltowt nchuwshah 'shaber ; uwbriychey barzel'gadea`.
3. Wnatatiy lka 'owtsrowt choshek, uwmaTmuneymictariym, lma`an teda` kiy- 'niy Yahweh, ha-Qowre' bshimka, 'Elohey Yisra'el.
4. Lma`an `abdiy, Ya`aqob, w-Yisra'el,bchiyriy, wa'eqra' lka bishmeka. 'Akanka, wlo' yda`taniy.
5. 'Aniy Yahweh. W'eyn `owd. Zuwlatiy 'eyn 'Elohiym! 'A'azerka, wlo' yda`taniy,
6. lma`an yed`uw mimizrach-shemesh uwmima`rabah kiy- 'epec bil`aday. 'Aniy Yahweh. W'eyn `owd!
7. Yowtser 'owr uwbowre' choshek, `oseh shalowmuwbowre' ra`. 'Aniy, Yahweh, `oseh kal- 'eleh.
8. Har`iypuw, shamayim mima`al ; uwshchaqiym yizluw-tsedeq! Tiptach- 'erets ; wyipruw- yesha`! Uwtsdaqahtatsmiyach yachad! 'Aniy, Yahweh, bra'tiyw!
9. Howy rab 'et- Yotsrow, cheres 'et- charsey 'adamah. Hyo'mar chomer lyotsrow, Mah- ta`seh? Uwpa`alka, 'eyn-yadayim low?
10. Howy 'omer l'ab, Mah- towliyd? Uwl'ishah,mah- tchiyliyn?
11. Koh- 'amar Yahweh -- Qdowsh Yisra'el, w-Yotsrow: Ha'otiyowt, sh'aluwniy `al- banay w`al- po`al yadayttsawuniy?
12. 'Anokiy `asiytiy 'erets w'adam `aleyha bara'tiy 'niy yaday naTuw shamayim. Wkal- tsba'amtsiweytiy.
13. 'Anokiy ha`iyrotihuw btsedeq. Wkal-drakayw 'yasher. Huw'- yibneh `iyriy wgaluwtiy yshaleach,lo' bimchiyr, wlo' bshochad, 'amar Yahweh tsba'owt.
14. Koh 'amar Yahweh: Ygiya` Mitsrayim uwcchar- Kuwsh, uw-Cba'iym 'anshey midah, `alayik ya`boruw wlak. Yihyuw'achrayik. Yelekuw baziqiym ; ya`boruw. W'elayik yishtachwuw'elayik. Yitpalaluw, 'Ak bak 'El! W'eyn `owd -- 'epec'lohiym!
15. 'Aken 'atah 'El mictater, 'Elohey Yisra'el, Mowshiya`.

Perhaps if you had heard the Word from Joshua you might understand that HSN#1254 bara', generally translated as "created" (and mistakenly translated as such here in Isaiah 45) also means "TO CUT DOWN" in the sense of "cutting down trees" (Joshua 17:15-18 KJV).
Can we PLEASE cut the "garbage" out of all this? First of all, I have no problem with you quoting whole contexts; I do the same myself and encourage it. I'm not offended by that in the slightest. However, it is the usage of a passage that is not meant to be used in that way to which I object. Again, you have strayed GREATLY from the simple understanding of Luke 17:20-22. Why is that? Why can't you stay on a particular passage? Why do you have to go to great lengths to bring in passages which are FAR from the context of Luke's Gospel?

Secondly, I perceive that you are MUCH too figurative in your understanding of the Scriptures. "Not enough Torah 'in me?'" Is that your PROFESSIONAL opinion, or do you have ANY authorization to say "yea or nay?" I know that "Torah" means "instruction" rather than "the Law," as some insist, but who are YOU to judge another man's servant?!

Thirdly, why do you insist on using vague references to passages that are out of the realm of what we are talking about? Are you trying to look good? Because I've gotta tell ya'; it ain't workin'! Your comment, for instance, that "You and I appear to be from the two different aionos-ages; in my age ALL of the Scripture is in my thesaurus-treasury and comes forth both old and new," obviously (to me) comes from Matthew 13:52, but why bring that verse up? I can't even be sure that you understand Luke 17 let alone Matthew 13! And, if you think that we are in two different "aioonos-ages," you don't know what an "aioonos" is!

Fourthly, your assertion that "Even Strong's has it wrong in this respect because he, and most others now, have assumed 'Messias' comes from 'meshiach' when it more likely comes from Mowshiya, (Mowshiya` is a form of Yesha`-Salvation which is Yeshua the right hand of the Father who is the only Salvation)" is strictly YOUR opinion. "Mashiyach" is just that - an Anointed by Elohiym Himself - and I can understand why the Y'hudiym would mock one who makes the claim that Yeshua` was/is the Mashiyach of prophecy without checking out the claim with an open mind. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean that you (or anyone) should then say that such a claim is in any way less than His position as "Mowshiya`!" He is BOTH, and they are EQUALLY descriptive of our Master! He is not only the "RESCUER" but He is also the "ANOINTED" - the "CHOSEN ONE TO BE KING!" He, like His ancestor Daviyd, was equally anointed to be haMelekh Y'hudiym v'Melekh Yisra'el v'Melekh haMalakhiym!

Furthermore, "Messias" is simply a Romanized Greek transliteration of "mashiyach." All one has to do is look up similar passages in the Hebrew and in the Septuagint to see that this is true. It's possible that is some cases "Messias" could be a transliteration of "mowshiya`," because they didn't have a "shin" or a "vav" or an "`ayin" in the Greek alphabet, but not very likely because they were already using that transliteration for "mashiyach!" But, one is not better than the other; they are equally descriptive of the Master in different ways. You're trying to say that "apples are better than oranges."

Finally, you don't understand what I believe about Dani'el 9:24-27 at all if you think I believe that the "nagiyd" of verse 26 is the "Commander of the Covenant!" And, Dani'el 9:24-27 IS about the Mashiach Yeshua`! It was HE who was cut off for the sins of His people (Isa. 53)! It was HE who caused the sacrifice and the gift to end (Heb. 10)! It was HE who left the household of Isra'el desolate because of the abominations of their rejection of Himself spreading out like a wing until they could say "Baruwkh haba' b'shem YHWH" (Matt. 23:37-39)! So, let's get your facts straight first! It seems you have some catching up to do!

 

To understand is NOT to simply repeat what someone else shows or tellls...it is the ability to explain it in your own words.

 

You are exactly right.

I find it surprising how very few people can stand on their own feet and explain anything in their own words.

 

Deception comes when you think you understand something that is really untrue, I would ask this of Terry; You wrote that you are one of the Two Witnesses.....& that God gave you the authority to choose Witness #2...& that you would be the Teaching witness.

Why would God give that to you, seeing that He created Witness #2?...Don't you think that He & He alone would have already chosen him, before the foundation of the Earth?...& why would you want people to know? Isn't God big enough to reveal them in His Time?

This is my take: You are not one of the TWO WITNESSES. You are deluded; deceived...& my hope for you is that you would be content to just be a brother, & serve the body unto the least, & learn to love God & people....The path that you are on will cause you to fall deeper into the ditch than you have already. Can you let God do His job?

 

Shalom, daq.

You said...

I don't judge the person; I judge the message. I count you as a brother and will continue to do so. And, show me again: where have you "proven my judgment is false"? And, where will I be when I am being judged by Yeshua` (for He does all the judging)? I'll stand there and take it like a man! I know that I've made mistakes and have belittled others from time to time. And, these I try to correct when I see them in myself. Again, I judge the message, not the man. So, I judge because in making statements that are nebulous, misrepresenting Scripture, one is TEACHING OTHERS THE SAME ERRORS! This is a MAJOR problem!

And, it WAS you who brought up Mowshiya`! WE were talking about haMashiach! The two, as you well know, are NOT synonymous, and it is "Mashiach" that is used in Dani'el 9:24-27, not "Mowshiya`."

NO, not everyone in this board goes by his/her own imagination; some actually let the Scriptures speak to HIM/HER! The problems arise when one imposes his/her own interpretation on what he/she is reading! And, I perceive that you are doing the same thing, whether you will admit to it or not.

Now, regarding the Mashiach being "karat-cut off," have you never read Isaiah 53? (I KNOW that you have.)

Isaiah 53:1-12
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off (Hebrew: nigzar - cut away/divided) out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
KJV

And, please don't say, "It's not the same word," because I KNOW that, but the words ARE Hebrew synonyms! The CONTEXT equates the two, not the words! No, He was not "cut off forever," but He WAS "separated from the land of the living!"

Don't make the mistake of believing everything that the NIV says about the translation of Dani'el 9. The Hebrew phrase is "v'eeyn low" which translates to "and nothing for himself." They left Him nothing in death; they divided His clothes among themselves and they gambled for His seamless garment. The words do NOT mean that He was "set to naught - nothingness - 'ayin - exoutheneoo"; and, you're mixing languages here, which can be VERY confusing and misleading! Your "'ayin," or rather "v'eeyn," is the Hebrew and "exoutheneoo" is Greek, and before you can compare the two, you really should have a set of verses where the OT is quoted in the NT or the OT is translated in the LXX, first! You're making too many unsubstantiated and unacceptable assumptions.

And regarding "Yochanan haQowre' mashiyach Eliyahu," or roughly "John the-Crier (for) Messiah, Elijah (to come)," we identify him by Isaiah 40:3 as it is quoted in Matthew 3:3, Mark 1:3, Luke 3:4, and John 1:23. But, in answer to your question, "where is it written of Yochanan haQowre' mashiyach Eliyahu that they would do with him as they pleased?" technically, it isn't.

It says...

Matthew 11:7-19
7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
KJV

However, Yochanan WAS abused and mistreated as can be seen in the parable that Yeshua` told:


Matthew 21:32-39
32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
KJV

So, no, I do not have the wrong "Mashiyach"; He is the same "Mashiyach" as in Psalm 2, a Messianic psalm. He is God's Anointed - God's CHOICE - for Isra'el's King, the LAST Anointed One for that purpose. And, just because I say that, does NOT mean that I am "calling 'Yeshua` anathema!'" (Talk about mixing languages!) I would never do such a thing, and you are blowing things WAY out of proportion to say or suggest that I am!

Finally, it DOES matter to whom Yeshua` was speaking! You absolutely MUST learn to interpret a passage according to its context! If you don't, you will continue to make HUNDREDS of such errors!

I am NOT "attempting to force the Luke passage to say something that it does not say so as to enforce [my] own paradigm of a physical fleshly kingdom of God upon the physical world-wide planet earth, ruling a physical empire of fleshly kingdoms, over what [you] can only imagine must think of as the 'lesser-brethren millennial sheeples'!" Are you meshuggah?! Or are you just ignorant (in the original sense of the word), ignoring what the Scriptures actually say? I don't have to enforce my own paradigm or promote my own theories or agendas; IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN THERE! Just READ the OT Scriptures, particularly the prophecies, without embellishing them with some "spiritual" (actually, allegorical) interpretation! READ them with their NORMAL INTERPRETATION, and tell me that they're not talking about a physical kingdom! GET REAL!!! Time after time after time, the Isra'elites are encouraged with words about a LITERAL, PHYSICAL, ISRA'ELI KINGDOM ruled by God Himself through His Representative, the Messiah! This isn't brain surgery, but you MUST have eyes to see the obvious!

What I said about "entos" is the truth; it CAN be translated as either "within" or "among," and only context can determine which it should be. You need to get away from your lexicon-only understanding of the Hebrew and the Greek. One does NOT get the full picture of what is being said without the grammar and the parts of speech!

 

Brothertom wrotee - ( out of ignornace - add ) : "
Deception comes when you think you understand something that is really untrue, I would ask this of Terry; You wrote that you are one of the Two Witnesses.....& that God gave you the authority to choose Witness #2...& that you would be the Teaching witness.

Why would God give that to you, seeing that He created Witness #2?...Don't you think that He & He alone would have already chosen him, before the foundation of the Earth?...& why would you want people to know? Isn't God big enough to reveal them in His Time?
This is my take: You are not one of the TWO WITNESSES. You are deluded; deceived...& my hope for you is that you would be content to just be a brother, & serve the body unto the least, & learn to love God & people....The path that you are on will cause you to fall deeper into the ditch than you have already. Can you let God do His job? "

It is unfortunate that you have certainly NOT read all the posts I wrote as to why I revealed who I am. Had you done that you would realize no fake could possess that wisdom oversuch a span of understandings.

And by the way... God will reveal it when it is time. Until then and becasue accepting a prophet because one KNOWS he is a prophet does not give a prohpet's reward !!!!!!!!!!!!! I revealed my self not for recognition of which I could care less and a means of elevating myself - but rather to gie the chance for others to obtain the same reward as that of a prophet - that is not selfish! That is why one major reason why... !!!!! Since you have denied me and becasue your "VISONS" are so convoluted and obscure I am certain you are no more than a troll.

This forum has had many trolls speaking just like you do - making all kinds of obscure and out of whack claims. "Vision" Claims like you contend are a dimne a dozen. All you have posted are false selff-elevating cartoons. I asked how you tested your visions and your reply was just as obscure as your cartoon stories. True test of a prophet is to give prophecy of the future and that means I can request you tell a major event occuring March 25th 2013 - and in specific, non-obscured detail too.. If you cannot, then you are not to be trusted!

Becasue MY time is of a witness and my time is restricted that test is not applicable to me until the 1.260 of my prophecy begins. So... prove me wrong... and I will retract the ad things I just said.... So now give a consice and major prophecy for March 25 2013. That is your test! Now anyone claiming so many visons (as you have) MUST be a prophet and if you cannot fiufill the test - then you are not to be trusted, but instead - claiming things for his own devices.

(For others reading this... this is a true test of a prohet.)

I on the other hand have told many, manytimes I can be tested. You have no clue as to how to do that - making your assumptions are unfounded, un-based and is Denial withOut Proof or Evidence !!!

Then you attempt to patch things up with hopes of me changing my path? My Path is what God has instructed me! This makes yu idea to attemptto patchthing up nothing more than an attempt as to not receive repremaqnd from the forum and/or its members... and that is LAME - at best. Notice my correction bears no attempt to disguise my intent. It stands on its merit.

Your best plan of action would have been to super glue your fingers to the refrigerator that you could no thave typed a single denial against me.
Using your words you pulled from the Word of God.... I am a Witnesses foretold in Revelation chapter 11 - Thus saith thee Lord thy God. IF I lied about this. my end should be in Hell where I would belong ! These are my words! And by our words we are judged. And I will NOT Deny My LORD GOD And his Son - my Saviour - Christ Jesus - If I am "deluted" and and liar I should be confined to Hell as any fase prophet should be! These words of mine cannot be more adamant... and in my words about who i am and if not, where I should end up.... to them I say... AMEN !

I give you this ne chance for retracttion... my best advice is to use it to the fullest extent you possibly can and without any attempt of protecting the evil words you posted.

If not... when you discover I am one of Two Witnesses know this... You have taken away from the Book of Revelation and that is to be taken from you... For it is written.

If my words seem to harsh... read about me in Chapter 11 of Revelation.

For those who have help their tongue and denial at bay... Ias have said I condone skeptisim and so when you discover the truth of my words... though your skeptisism, my Wwitnesses will be you stood in agreement, for holding denial is a big thing to do.

 

Sorry to get you into this mess Rerobyter... Daq'a imagination seems to sun rampant, but hie abiliy to paste and copy is only equaled by his ability to include un-related scriptures.