So... instead of summarizing and clarifying you choose to be sarcastic? How is this helpful?
I wasn't being sarcastic. When I read your post, I had to pause, as I didn't know what to say, really. For one, it was actually the perfect example of what I had posted about. So I was just honest about it. I prefer not to lie. Second, I wondered if I should post that reply, or not. As I saw it, no matter what I would post in reply, you wouldn't be happy about it. But perhaps I was wrong. So let me try to do as you've implied that you would have preferred from me, and I try to explain it.
1) I see that many, if not the vast majority, of believers don't believe a lot of the bible. This is for various reasons that I've heard, seen, and read. So I touched on that in my post. One of the reasons that many don't believe it all, is that it doen't fit their life. Somehow, they think that they should read the bible in light of their life, and understand the bible in light of their life. I find that to be backwards. Another reason that many don't believe it all, is that they've been taught to be that way by other believers, typically by spiritual leaders. However, isn't the end, the fruit, the spiritual life and state of a person the same for both cases? The reason for it really makes no difference, as it has the same results in a person's life. Another reason that many don't believe it all is that they think that there are valid reasons not to, such as "science", archeology, etc.. Again, the end result is the same. The fruit of one's life is the same, no matter the reason for not believing it all. Another reason that many don't believe it all is that they see "contradictions", and not being willing to learn from God how these "contradictions" are explained in the word of God, they have opted to become judge on it and dismiss that which they choose to dismiss. Again, the result is the same in a person's life.
That kind of fits the OT law of Moses, where God gave laws for sins that were knowingly committed, and sins that were committed without them knowing that they had sinned. There is indeed a different heart reason for the sin being committed, and God sees this and grants latitude for the ones who have sinned in ignorance, yet they are still guilty of sin and He makes sure that they know that, too.
2) I see that many cannot read the word of God by themselves -- they have to have "aides". That is not of God. In fact, scripture is dead set against it. But those scriptures aren't believed, just as many others are not. Thus, it is a moot topic to discuss. That's why I mentioned Saul and Samuel in the previous post. Saul did that very thing: everyone could see the facts out in the open, but Saul insisted that he had done, and was doing God's command, and that his heart was right before God. But everyone could see that the facts proved Saul to be self deceived and spiritually bankrupt. I find that the preponderance of believers do the same thing -- it's just that they do it on different topics of the word of God. Homosexuals have their topic that they do this with in the word of God. to the extent that we have homosexual "christians" and "churches". Adulterers likewise, to the extent that a large percentage of believers are living in adultery, having divorced and remarried. And the list seems to just go on and on and on.
3) When someone speaks up about these things, and uses the very clear and blunt word of God in doing so, they are condemned. Often words are thrown at them such as unloving, unChristlike, unChristian, etc.. But it is God Himself who uses the strongest words, and he uses them against those who do and condone the sins that are being spoken agains with scripture. Again, many are just like Saul. The proof is staring us in the face. But they still vehemently deny this fact.
4) The fruit of believers, ie, they statistics that we see regarding Christendom, are no better than the unsaved statistics regarding morality. If our statistics are the same as the unsaved statistics, our beliefs cannot be correct. To hold that they are, when we have just as wicked fruit as the damned, is mind boggling. And example of this state in our society, and Christendom, is this: when I was doing concrete work for the state, repouring concrete sidewalks in a public location, I had barricades up, signs up, flagging up, and caution tape cordoning it all off. But that makes no differece to people. They would deliberately go past the signs, around the barricades, and over/under the caution tape, and walk in the freshly poured concrete. One person even stated that they hadn't walked in the concrete, even though they had done that right in front of me and my crew, and they had wet concrete on their shoes! We saw them do it. They had the evidence on their shoes. But they still insisted that they didn't do it.
Just how stupid do people really think everyone is? Are they that accustomed to making up lies that they expect everyone else to believe them too? Apparently.
And this is the state of Christendom, generally speaking.
In summary, the proof is in the pudding: Christendom has wrong beliefs, or they'd have the totally victorious and godly life and thoughts that would prove their beliefs to be true. But they don't, do they? They have the same statistics as the unsaved. Therefore, I know for a fact that their beliefs are not correct. And when I write these things on a forum, all sorts of nasty responses, ignoring, etc. is done to me. Fine. They did that to Christ, too. All I have to do is give scripture that condemns them, that proves that they fall short, and boy oh boy, do they ever let me know how unChristlike I am, and how Godly they are. Kind of backwards, though.
So yes, they ignore much scirpture. And scripture that is contrary to their thoughts, speech, actions. And if they are cornederd and will feel ashamed by not responding to the scripture that condemns their hypocrisy and their life, they try to argue it away. Those that are really good at that, having much practice and training in that, even try to use scirpture to do so. Amazing.
Here's an example of that: (1Co 2:16) For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
One poster here rebuked me and stated that I was spiritually deficient when I said that I had the mind of Christ. They obviously don't, and thus they condemn everyone else to being just like them. Remember the school kid that always did the same thing? Everyone saw that they were a phony, but that didn't change anything, did it?
Here's another example of believers not believing parts of the bible: (1Jo 3:6) Everyone who abides in Him does not sin. Everyone who sins has not seen Him nor known Him.
And here's another scripture: (1Jo 3:9) Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin, because His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
And here's another scirpture: (1Jo 5:18) We know that everyone who has been born of God does not continue to sin, but the one born of God guards himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
Do you know of even one believer who actually, fully believes those verses? And lives them? You don't, do you? And so they all negate these verses, or try to explain them away. That is calling God a liar, deleting some scriptures, calling others who understand and are actually, truly "more than conquerors in Christ Jesus" hypocrites, when they themselves are the hypocrites because they say that they know God but don't live these statements of God regarding those who know God. They themselves are the hypocrites, because they don't believe all of the word of God, which word of God they tell everone that they believe.
Here's another one: they don't believe in six days of creation, when even basic reading in any translation, or even in Hebrew, leaves no room for anything but six days. Those who have enough integrity to admit this obvious truth, but still want to believe otherwise, try to put some sort of gap theory in there. They are trying to cover they disbelief while at the same time believing. Weird. God said that a double minded person is unstable in all their spiritual ways.
So I ask you: if a double minded person in unstable in all their spiritual ways, (God does not lie), when we look at the statistics of Christendom we see the result of this doublemindedness. Just look at the wicked statistics. They are the proof. God said that they are the proof: by their fruit you will know them, and judge every tree by its fruit, and every tree is known by it's fruit. It was stated three times in those very blunt words by God. But we don't believe that either, it seems: those who do this are condemned as being unloving and ungodly and self-righteous.
Then, to top it all off, I see that these same people speak as if they know the scriptures, speak as if they believe God and know God, and speak as if they have spiritual understanding, when the word of God states that they don't understand, they don't know God, and they speak of that which the know not scripture states. God says that they are blind, and that they lead the blind. I believe it. And I accept the proof that is staring us in the face. I will not be like Saul. And I will not be like the people that turned the eye to the naked king. That is wrong.
Scripture states that those who have no spiritual understanding try to hide this by many words that they speak in pretense. I find this to be true. God doesn't lie, does He? So many posters insist on posting on things which they obviously do not understand, and this is quickly seen.
And if someone with understanding comes along and speaks up, they are jumped on for it, and condemned as being ungodly, Amazing. I've seen righteous, truly and completely victorious believers on a number of forums who have been ridden off of the forum by the hypocrites -- everyone else. Some of the others have enough spiritual sense to recognize a person who lives true and constant victory in their life, and thus has the understanding of the scirptures that accompany such a spiritual life, and do not jump on the bandwagon of the hypocrites in condemning that righteous person. But they are clearly not the majority. God spoke of them, too, when He stated that many of the Pharisees also believed, but remaind silent because the loved the praise of man more than the praise of God. It's that doubleminded thing again. Apparently God knows this to be true of many who profess Him, and so He told us about it a number of times, even giving us a bunch of examples, both old and new testament. I prefer to believe it all, and apply it all. If we don't believe it, it is useless to us. If we say that we believe it, but don't apply it, it is equally useless, and our belief that we say that we have, is fake. As one apostle stated, "can such a faith save a man?" The obvious answer to that rhetorical question is a most emphatic NO!
And it is those who have the true life of complete spiritual/moral victory that have understanding of spiritual things. Those who are sinful do not have understanding of righteousness, or God Himself is a liar. The scriptures are rife with this common sense truth. Again, the facts stare Christendom in the face, the statistics are there for even the damned to mock, but Christendom completely insists that it is not that way. Crazy.
And every believer claims that they are the exception, that they are not this way. Even crazier.
Thus, the portion of my post at the end, such as "pearls" "swine", etc.. Again, God doesn't lie, does He? And even when these things are proven to be true, and repeatedly so on forums, the wicked insist on continuing on in their wickedness, blind to the light that was in their midst.
Christ said that it would be this way, so those who know Him and live that true life of victory expect it to happen to them, too. Christ said that it would. And we have seen that Christ and God never, ever lie, and never ever state things that are to be ignored by anyone. Even if they claim to be a mature Christian. Which is most.
God is not a respecter of persons. And neither are His true children.
So that's why I considered that no matter how I replied to your short post, I would be condemned. I chose the short reply first. My apologies. I also lumped you in with the typical believer, like most of the other posters on the forum. Again, my apologies.
I hope that I was very wrong.
Have a good week.
