Miracles, healing, tongues, and the interpretation of tongues were temporary sign gifts limited to the apostolic age and have, therefore, ceased.

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Your scripture references are out of context and do you have any scriptures confirming your "experiences?" That needs to be tested in light of what stands written--guess you go on goosebumps with your hair upright-you don't have to agree with me as I don't agree with you at this point in time.
For me...

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. - Galatians 5

In which I delighted most of all that the Kingdom of Heaven took interest in me. I have not the gifting of others, but do not desire anything but more of the Lord. Which can be obtained in quality Christian fellowship and worship.
 

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For me...

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. - Galatians 5

In which I delighted most of all that the Kingdom of Heaven took interest in me. I have not the gifting of others, but do not desire anything but more of the Lord. Which can be obtained in quality Christian fellowship and worship.
Dodging, deflecting, parrying--off topic but I guess that's your prerogative.
 

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Not rejecting my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ--but you misrepresenting Him and His words-quoting a verse here, there, neglecting context, read Miles Coverdale friend, on how to read the Scriptures-in context.

No.

We ought to obey God rather than men."
 

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Dodging, deflecting, parrying--off topic but I guess that's your prerogative.
And always enjoying hearing testimonies of the wonderful power of God being put to use...

 
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And always enjoying hearing testimonies of the wonderful power of God being put to use...

This is not open confession time on a online forum--Pentecostalism still running strong--if you want to have an "open confession" go to the nearest priest and "testify" or better still, go in your closet, close the door, this is between you and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. - Matthew 17:19-20

God is not going to do anything that you are not willing to believe him for....

If you don't believe he can make you strong... Stay weak!
If you don't believe he can heal you... Stay sick!
If you don't believe in speaking in tongues... Don't seek the gifting!
If you don't believe in any other gifts... Don't pursue them!

Not too hard of a concept to grasp!
 
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And... Speaking of faith...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. - Mark 16

The signs were to those who believed, not to any specific generation.
 

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Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. - Matthew 17:19-20

God is not going to do anything that you are not willing to believe him for....

If you don't believe he can make you strong... Stay weak!
If you don't believe he can heal you... Stay sick!
If you don't believe in speaking in tongues... Don't seek the gifting!
If you don't believe in any other gifts... Don't pursue them!

Not too hard of a concept to grasp!
I go by what stand written, Perfect Tense, something you are not familiar with, and I would take a wild guess not familiar with Scriptures either since you need adrenaline, "Nos" sensations and experiences.
 

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And... Speaking of faith...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. - Mark 16

The signs were to those who believed, not to any specific generation.
You need to read Miles Coverdale and the recipients of the letter, but hey, if you want to drink poison and play with serpents be my guest, you have faith- they do it here in South Africa, the fatality is high and hospitals crowded.

MARK—NOTE ON 16:17–18 These signs were promised to the apostolic
community (Matt. 10:1; 2 Cor. 12:12), not all believers in all ages (cf. 1 Cor.
12:29–30). All (with the exception of drinking poison) were experienced by
some in the apostolic church and reported in Scripture (e.g., Acts 28:5), but not
afterward (cf. Mark 16:20).
 

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You need to read Miles Coverdale and the recipients of the letter, but hey, if you want to drink poison and play with serpents be my guest, you have faith- they do it here in South Africa, the fatality is high and hospitals crowded.

MARK—NOTE ON 16:17–18 These signs were promised to the apostolic
community (Matt. 10:1; 2 Cor. 12:12), not all believers in all ages (cf. 1 Cor.
12:29–30). All (with the exception of drinking poison) were experienced by
some in the apostolic church and reported in Scripture (e.g., Acts 28:5), but not
afterward (cf. Mark 16:20).
Scripture - No point praying for people if you are not willing to believe... But... A good bet with faith...

Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. - - Mark 9:23
 

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Scripture - No point praying for people if you are not willing to believe... But... A good bet with faith...

Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. - - Mark 9:23
I'm not a betting man and don't want you to pray for me since I don't know you from a bar of soap-you really should study the Pauline epistles. Seems you are dismally ignorant re Paul after the resurrection of Messiah.
 

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Miracles - Can consist of the interaction of trillions of cells within a body. In which, I have no knowledge. My business is to pray and to believe. God's business is to perform that which I prayed and believed him for. If I see no results my business is to continue in prayer.
 

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Miracles - Can consist of the interaction of trillions of cells within a body. In which, I have no knowledge. My business is to pray and to believe. God's business is to perform that which I prayed and believed him for. If I see no results my business is to continue in prayer.
Doesn't work that way--not my will be done, but thine.

Context and Scriptural References
The Context
Garden of Gethsemane: This prayer occurs just before Jesus' arrest, as He prays to God the Father about the suffering He is about to endure. This moment is pivotal, demonstrating His human apprehension and divine obedience.
Scriptural References
Luke 22:42 (ESV): "Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done."

This verse captures Jesus' request for the possibility of avoiding the impending suffering ("remove this cup") but ultimately submits to God's will.
Matthew 26:39 (ESV): "And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.'"

Matthew's account also shows Jesus expressing a desire to avoid suffering but prioritizing God's will over His own.
Mark 14:36 (ESV): "And he said, 'Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.'"

Mark’s Gospel emphasizes the intimate address "Abba, Father" and underscores Jesus' submission.
Theological Significance
Submission to God’s Will: Jesus’ prayer exemplifies the ultimate act of submission to God's will, a model for all believers in their own lives.
Human and Divine Nature: It reflects both Jesus' human reluctance to suffer and His divine obedience, showing His dual nature.
Obedience and Sacrifice: This moment is a prelude to Jesus' sacrificial death, which is central to Christian theology regarding salvation and atonement.
Applications for Believers
Trust in God’s Plan: Believers are encouraged to trust in God's plan and submit their own desires to His will.
Prayer and Surrender: It emphasizes the importance of prayer in seeking God’s guidance and strength to follow His will, even when it’s difficult.
By studying these passages, Christians can draw strength and inspiration from Jesus' example of ultimate trust and obedience to God.
 

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Doesn't work that way--not my will be done, but thine.

Charity beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. - 1 Corinthians 13

All things... As in everything!
 

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Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. - Romans 14:1
 

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Charity beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. - 1 Corinthians 13

All things... As in everything!
Old Testament
Psalm 34:19 (ESV): "Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the LORD delivers him out of them all."

This verse emphasizes that although the righteous will face many troubles, God will ultimately deliver them.
Job 5:7 (ESV): "but man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward."

Reflecting on the inevitability of human suffering, especially for the faithful.
Isaiah 53:3 (ESV): "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not."

Prophecy about the suffering of the Messiah, which also relates to the suffering experienced by His followers.
New Testament
Matthew 5:10-12 (ESV): "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

Jesus' teaching in the Beatitudes about the blessedness of those who suffer for His sake.
John 15:18-20 (ESV): "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you."

Jesus warns His disciples about the hatred and persecution they will face as His followers.
Romans 8:17-18 (ESV): "and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us."

Paul speaks about the necessity of suffering with Christ to be glorified with Him.
2 Corinthians 4:8-10 (ESV): "We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies."

Paul's description of the trials believers face and the sustaining power of Jesus.
Philippians 1:29 (ESV): "For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake."

Suffering for Christ is presented as a part of the Christian calling.
2 Timothy 3:12 (ESV): "Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted."

Assurance that godly living will inevitably lead to persecution.
James 1:2-4 (ESV): "Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing."

Encouragement to view trials as a means of growth and maturity in faith.
1 Peter 4:12-13 (ESV): "Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed."

Peter's exhortation to see suffering as participation in Christ's sufferings.
Revelation 2:10 (ESV): "Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life."

A promise of reward for those who endure suffering faithfully.
These scriptures collectively affirm that suffering is a significant part of the Christian experience, serving as a means of testing, refining, and ultimately leading to greater glory and reward in God's kingdom.

You want to be healed but are you willing to suffer?
 

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Old Testament
Psalm 34:19 (ESV): "Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the LORD delivers him out of them all."

This verse emphasizes that although the righteous will face many troubles, God will ultimately deliver them.
Job 5:7 (ESV): "but man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward."

Reflecting on the inevitability of human suffering, especially for the faithful.
Isaiah 53:3 (ESV): "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not."

Prophecy about the suffering of the Messiah, which also relates to the suffering experienced by His followers.
New Testament
Matthew 5:10-12 (ESV): "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

Jesus' teaching in the Beatitudes about the blessedness of those who suffer for His sake.
John 15:18-20 (ESV): "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you."

Jesus warns His disciples about the hatred and persecution they will face as His followers.
Romans 8:17-18 (ESV): "and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us."

Paul speaks about the necessity of suffering with Christ to be glorified with Him.
2 Corinthians 4:8-10 (ESV): "We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies."

Paul's description of the trials believers face and the sustaining power of Jesus.
Philippians 1:29 (ESV): "For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake."

Suffering for Christ is presented as a part of the Christian calling.
2 Timothy 3:12 (ESV): "Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted."

Assurance that godly living will inevitably lead to persecution.
James 1:2-4 (ESV): "Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing."

Encouragement to view trials as a means of growth and maturity in faith.
1 Peter 4:12-13 (ESV): "Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed."

Peter's exhortation to see suffering as participation in Christ's sufferings.
Revelation 2:10 (ESV): "Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life."

A promise of reward for those who endure suffering faithfully.
These scriptures collectively affirm that suffering is a significant part of the Christian experience, serving as a means of testing, refining, and ultimately leading to greater glory and reward in God's kingdom.

You want to be healed but are you willing to suffer?
No, I think not-self preservation will kick in.
 

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No, I think not-self preservation will kick in.
Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all. - Psalm 34:19

Hmmm.... Did I hear the word all? And again in...

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. - Romans 8:37
 

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Miracles - Can consist of the interaction of trillions of cells within a body. In which, I have no knowledge. My business is to pray and to believe. God's business is to perform that which I prayed and believed him for. If I see no results my business is to continue in prayer.
Incorrect-it's not God's "business" to perform what you have prayed.
 
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