Did Christ became sin in a literal sense?

[Waiting on him]

Absolutely relevant

bore - BDB 669, KB 724, Qal PERFECT, used of bearing one's guilt, Gen_4:13; Lev_5:1; Lev_5:17; Lev_7:18; Num_5:31; Num_14:34; Eze_14:10; Eze_44:12, but it is also used of someone or some animal bearing another's guilt, cf. Lev_10:17; Lev_16:22; Num_14:33; Eze_4:4-6 and of the suffering Servant's redemptive ministry in Isa_53:4
2. carried - BDB 687, KB 741, Qal PERFECT; this is literally “bear a heavy load,” it is used of the Servant in Isa_53:4 and Isa_53:11 (Qal IMPERFECT)
Notice the series of VERBS in Isa_53:4-6 of what YHWH did to the Servant for humanity's benefit.
1. smitten by God, Isa_53:4 - BDB 645, KB 697, Hophal PARTICIPLE
2. afflicted (by God), Isa_53:4 - BDB 776, KB 853, Pual PARTICIPLE
3. pierced through for our transgressions, Isa_53:5 - BDB 319, KB 320, Poal PARTICIPLE
4. crushed for our iniquities, Isa_53:5 - BDB 193, KB 221, Pual PARTICIPLE
5. the chastening for our well being (no VERB) upon Him, Isa_53:5
6. by His scourging we are healed, Isa_53:5
This is the textual foundation for the doctrine of the vicarious, substitutionary atonement.
“Smitten of God” It was God's will that Jesus die (cf. Isa_53:10; Joh_3:16; Mar_10:45; 2Co_5:21). Jesus' trial and death were not accidents or mistakes, but the plan of God (cf. Act_2:23; Act_3:18; Act_4:28; 1Pe_1:20).
Isa_53:5 “pierced. . .crushed” As “bore” and “carried” in Isa_53:4 were parallel, so too, these VERBS.
1. pierced - BDB 319, KB 320, Poal PARTICIPLE usually by a sword in battle, but not here. The same root means “polluted” for mankind's purification and forgiveness.
2. crushed - BDB 193, KB 221, Pual PARTICIPLE; this VERB is used several times in Isaiah
a. Isa_57:15 - Niphal PARTICIPLE, “the heart of the contrite”
b. Isa_3:15 - Piel IMPERFECT, “crushing My people”
c. Isa_19:10; Isa_53:5 - Pual PARTICIPLE, “to be crushed”
d. Isa_53:10 - Piel INFINITIVE CONSTRUCT, “to crush”
It denotes one who is humbled. In this context by YHWH Himself for the greater good of all mankind.

Isa 53:5 וְהוּא֙ H1931 He מְחֹלָ֣ל H2490 But he [was] wounded מִפְּשָׁעֵ֔נוּ H6588 for our transgressions מְדֻכָּ֖א H1792 [he was] bruised מֵעֲוֹנֹתֵ֑ינוּ H5771 for our iniquities מוּסַ֤ר H4148 the chastisement שְׁלוֹמֵ֙נוּ֙ H7965 of our peace עָלָ֔יו H5921 and by וּבַחֲבֻרָת֖וֹ H2250 [was] upon him and with his stripes נִרְפָּא־ H7495 we are healed לָֽנוּ׃ H0
borne . . . carried = borne the punishment for. See note on Eze_4:4. Mat_8:17. Compare verses: Isa_53:11, Isa_53:12

Please do look up these scripture references...from Utley


אכן חלינו הוא נשׂא ומכאבינו סבלם ואנחנו חשׁבנהו נגוע מכה אלהים ומענה׃
Isa 53:5 והוא מחלל מפשׁענו מדכא מעונתינו מוסר שׁלומנו עליו ובחברתו נרפא־לנו׃


Isa 53:10 וַיהוָ֞ה H3068 the LORD חָפֵ֤ץ H2654 Yet it pleased דַּכְּאוֹ֙ H1792 to bruise הֶֽחֱלִ֔י H2470 him he hath put [him] to grief אִם־ H518 If תָּשִׂ֤ים H7760 when thou shalt make אָשָׁם֙ H817 an offering for sin נַפְשׁ֔וֹ H5315 his soul יִרְאֶ֥ה H7200 he shall see זֶ֖רַע H2233 [his] seed יַאֲרִ֣יךְ H748 he shall prolong יָמִ֑ים H3117 [his] days וְחֵ֥פֶץ H2656 and the pleasure יְהוָ֖ה H3068 of the LORD בְּיָד֥וֹ H3027 in his hand יִצְלָֽח׃ H6743 shall prosper

NASB “If He would render Himself as a guilt offering”
NKJV, NRSV “When You make His soul an offering for sin”
TEV “His death was a sacrifice to bring forgiveness”
NJB “if he gives his life as a sin offering”
JPSOA “if he made himself an offering for guilt”
PESHITTA “he laid down his life as an offering for sin”

Yes he orchestrated the whole thing.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Absolutely, but you have provided the verse in a corrupted form. Christ was made SIN FOR US. So here is the correct rendering, which makes all the difference:

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
τὸν γὰρ μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἁμαρτίαν ἐποίησεν, ἵνα ἡμεῖς γινώμεθα δικαιοσύνη Θεοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ.

Also "we might become" should be "we might be made". "Become" is future and "made" is past. God justifies -- declares righteous -- the one who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. It is an accomplished fact in the eyes of God.

What does this verse mean? Since "all our iniquities were laid on Him" Christ not only became our Sin-Bearer, but He also became the personification and epitome of the SIN of the world on the cross. Thus He was represented by the Brazen Serpent in the wilderness. Then the Lamb of God took away the SIN of the world (John 1:29).

Good catch. This one's doctrines reek of Free Masonry.

 

[michaelvpardo]

To imply that Christ became inherently a sinner is blasphemous


“Every Christian is either a missionary or
an imposter.”
― Charles H. Spurgeon

Blessings
Johann

Spurgeon was self decieved and obviously didn't understand the nature of the body of Christ. Masonic doctrine will do that and lead you up the steps to complete condemnation.

 

[marks]

Did the goat became sin?

Apples and oranges. This is a non-sequitor.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Absolutely relevant

You can copy and paste from many websites, but can you distill the argument you are making into a single sentence or two? Do you fully understand the argument you are making?

Why is that you assert the scapegoat being sent into the wilderness is the same as Christ going to the cross?

The New Covenant is built on better promises. It's not identical. So when we read the terms of the New Covenant, that's what it is, new.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Reply with scriptures since...Jer_17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Blessings
J.

What does it mean to you to be "born again"?

I'm interested.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

This probably won’t make any sense but,,,,, God in dwells sinful flesh. This is Christ in you. Most only view God as will be, or has been, which is sad