Did God become human or was a human made God?

[Mr E]

My point is that the RCC has taught us to redefine the scripture in our heads to fit their narrative of an "incarnated God".

When we see the word "word", we think of an individual person and not a voice of God.

When we see written throughout the Bible, Jesus saying "my God", we train our brains to make it mean "God's flesh talking to His Spirit".

We don't take anything in our Bible literal and verbatim anymore.

No wonder there is one Bible and tens of thousands of denominations spun off from it.

Also, we absolutely don't believe Col 2:9 as literal or verbatim.

I think it's even worse than that. Consider your referenced verse in Colossians-

For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form, and you have been filled in him, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

Scripture makes it abundantly clear that it is God dwelling in human flesh. God is spirit. So it is the spirit of God, in human flesh.

Jesus is the human flesh. --That doesn't make him God. It makes him the vessel that the spirit of God came to. People just misunderstand this concept and twist scripture to try to make it fit what they've been taught. It's the spirit that anoints the flesh and makes Jesus the anointed. It's God- IN him.

And don't forget his prayer that he would be in us, and us in him in the same way. It won't make us God, to have God in us just as it doesn't make Jesus God to have God in him. Flesh is flesh. Spirit it spirit. To have God's spirit in you is Life-giving, but it isn't God-making.

 

[Wrangler]

"The word was with God and was God".

Notice how Jesus is not even referred to? Very interesting.

 

[Wrangler]

Since when is the word of God not the spoken word of God?

Right, since the 4th century bc.

I think you mean AD there.

 

[Wrangler]

What's your angle?

The angle is clear.

He still today, claims to have a God

1st, do you recognize that it is true that still today, Jesus claims to have a God?

2nd, Does it make sense to you that God has a God?

 

[Truther]

I think it's even worse than that. Consider your referenced verse in Colossians-

For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form, and you have been filled in him, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

Scripture makes it abundantly clear that it is God dwelling in human flesh. God is spirit. So it is the spirit of God, in human flesh.

Jesus is the human flesh. --That doesn't make him God. It makes him the vessel that the spirit of God came to. People just misunderstand this concept and twist scripture to try to make it fit what they've been taught. It's the spirit that anoints the flesh and makes Jesus the anointed. It's God- IN him.

And don't forget his prayer that he would be in us, and us in him in the same way. It won't make us God, to have God in us just as it doesn't make Jesus God to have God in him. Flesh is flesh. Spirit it spirit. To have God's spirit in you is Life-giving, but it isn't God-making.

No, think of it in terms of 2 Cor 5:19 when reading Col 2:9....


19 To wit, that God was in(inside) Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, ....


9 For in(inside) him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


This is the thing the RCC duped us about.

Not a one of those folks believe that God is inside Jesus, bodily. Scripture can take a hike to tradition.

 

[Truther]

I think you mean AD there.

Yes, thank you for the fix

 

[Truther]

The angle is clear.


1st, do you recognize that it is true that still today, Jesus claims to have a God?

2nd, Does it make sense to you that God has a God?

Now here's the clincher.

Our God(Jesus) does have a God.

Jesus was made our God after his God made him omnipresent and "encapsulated Himself"(fully indwelled) him, bodily.

God "God's" us thourgh his omnipresent son now, unlike on earth as he was in one place at a time.

Jesus was made God this way by default(God inside him).

This is how Thomas called Jesus his God AFTER he resurrected, which was the first of the disciples to get that revelation.

 

[Truther]

Notice for the first time in your lives....


6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given(Present Tense on Earth): ....


...and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall(After His Resurrection) be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


The scripture is present and future tense.

The resurrection of Christ qualified him as the mighty God, first revealed to Thomas.

 

[Behold]

the human entity went through a transformation after his God raised him from the dead

Humanity has not changed since Adam's fall created it fallen.

The "change" is that Christ on the Cross offers each of us the opportunity to come back to God and become His Own.

 

[Rita]

So sorry, but after discussing this thread with other moderators I have been advised to lock this thread because of the rule about not discussing the trinity