Did Jesus ever use divine power for His own benefit?

[markalan]

You may be correct, but I cannot find any scripture that says every time Jesus did something supernatural, He was not using His own divine power, but was operating in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus had the power to perform miracles, but He did nothing without His Father's authority -

John 5:19
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

John 5:30
“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.

John 8:28
So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I think your question exposes what I've come to realize is commonplace in Christendom, IDOLATRY. He was a controversial figure in his lifetime. We shouldn't pretend everything he said was recieved as divine revelation from God because it wasn't received that way.

He called a women a dog. He demanded cannibalism. Advocated for violence in plucking your eye out and cutting off your arm and told off the priesthood to their faces when it could - and did - cost him his life. I know we disagree about him lying but it seems we agree he acted for his own benefit, his own glory. Frankly, as we all do this.

Getting back to lying; deception is an important tool in war. And make no mistake, God is at war with sin and evil. Can you imagine the forces Herod and Satan would have thrown at the manger in Bethleham had they known the son of God was to be born that night? Not very prudent and the lesson of history is God's word is an unfolding of divine revelation in good time.

Hi, Wrangler.

When did Jesus lie? I believe the commandment is about bearing false witness against another, like in court, or to damage someone's reputation. What do you think? What if someone asks you a personal question about yourself that is none of their business and you don't tell them the truth? Do we have to tell them? I think I'm going to make a post and ask everyone. But I'd still like you to comment here about Jesus. Thanks.

 

[Anchorite]

“We shouldn't pretend everything he said was recieved as divine revelation from God because it wasn't received that way.”

How it was received matters not. The sayings of Jesus are divine revelation from God the Father.

John 14:24

He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.

 

[Wrangler]

When did Jesus lie? I believe the commandment is about bearing false witness against another, like in court, or to damage someone's reputation. What do you think?

Yes, the commandment is a prohibition against perjury. If you read the 6 things God hates, lying and false witness are separately identified.

Jesus lied multiple times: the girl was not sleeping and he wasn’t talking about rebuilding Solomon’s temple in 3 days even though that’s what ‘the temple’ referred to 400 times in Scripture before that.

What if someone asks you a personal question about yourself that is none of their business and you don't tell them the truth? Do we have to tell them? I think I'm going to make a post and ask everyone. But I'd still like you to comment here about Jesus.

This implies you recognize Jesus lied by omission on multiple occasions - to the Pharisees and to Caesar.

• Tell us plainly, Are you the Messiah? I already told you.
• Are you the king of the Jews? You have said it.

 

[shepherdsword]

Yes, the commandment is a prohibition against perjury. If you read the 6 things God hates, lying and false witness are separately identified.

Jesus lied multiple times: the girl was not sleeping and he wasn’t talking about rebuilding Solomon’s temple in 3 days even though that’s what ‘the temple’ referred to 400 times in Scripture before that.


This implies you recognize Jesus lied by omission on multiple occasions - to the Pharisees and to Caesar.

• Tell us plainly, Are you the Messiah? I already told you.
• Are you the king of the Jews? You have said it.

If Jesus did it...it was not sin.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

• Tell us plainly, Are you the Messiah? I already told you.
• Are you the king of the Jews? You have said it.

Those were good things about Himself. Mine is more like Peter's denying Christ, but it was about me, not Christ. And it wasn't good.

 

[Wrangler]

If Jesus did it...it was not sin.

Agreed. The midwives in Moses time lied to save Hebrew babies as did Rahab to protect the Hebrews spies. Both were honored BECAUSE of their lies.