Did Jesus Go To Hell?

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I think the question should be: what do you think spirits experience when interacting with the physical world. Would they feel energy and therefore heat. Are spirits energy or something? What are your ideas?




Hmm that is interesting because that brings up two more important questions. If Hell is supposed to be a place of torture for the unsaved and unrighteous, how can they feel it if their physical bodies are already dead? Also if Jesus went to Hell for our behalves was He tortured as well even though He wouldn't have been there in the first place if it wasn't for us?
 
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Hmm that is interesting because that brings up two more important questions. If Hell is supposed to be a place of torture for the unsaved and unrighteous, how can they feel it if their physical bodies are already dead? Also if Jesus went to Hell for our behalves was He tortured as well even though He wouldn't have been there in the first place if it wasn't for us?
The bible teaches us we have a spiritual body perhaps, or how do they have tongues to burn in hell, although interpretations vary on these scriptures, but it's interesting:

Luke 16:23-24

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

1 Corinthians 15:44

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
 
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Hmm that is interesting because that brings up two more important questions. If Hell is supposed to be a place of torture for the unsaved and unrighteous, how can they feel it if their physical bodies are already dead? Also if Jesus went to Hell for our behalves was He tortured as well even though He wouldn't have been there in the first place if it wasn't for us?
Also I think if Jesus could walk on water he could walk thru fire unhurt. But I think he may have suffered the price of hell on the cross.
 
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Yes Jesus' Living Soul went to hell.
And preached to Saved souls...(maybe telling them they would be leaving soon??)
All Saved and Unsaved Living souls went to hell.

The Saved were in comfort, (with the Tree of Life) on one side of a great gulf.
The Unsaved were and ARE on the other side of the Great gulf, in torments, and discomfort.

Jesus is first in all things...He had to leave hell (and return to Heaven) before any Saved souls could be escourted to Heaven, ( by Angels ).

TREE OF LIFE was in the Garden, then the comfort side of hell, now in Heaven, next will be back on Earth in Christ's Kingdom.

Where the Tree of Life is: is called Paradise.
(Old tale...fruit of the Tree of Life in Garden?
Apple?)

When the Tree of Life is back on Earth, in Christ's Kingdom, each month bares 12 manner of fruit.

So, no more do the departed Saved Living souls go to hell...they are directly escorted to Heaven, as their Flesh Body is dying.

God Bless,
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As Spock would say, "fascinating"
Only the irony is this is more fascinating than star treck.
 
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@April_Rose
I can add to the discussion on this and maybe give some clarity. Below is one of the Apostles' Creeds. The history of the other Creeds and why they were made official and how they were used is another topic. But the one below addresses the tradition that after Christ passed on the cross he went to "where the spirits were" to teach the Gospel.

The Apostles' Creed
I believe in God, the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; he descended into hell; on the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.


This is a tradition that is based on some short scriptures. And there are several takes on the story. The tradition is very old...and was adopted by the early Catholic Church. The shortest and simplest rendition of the story indicates that after Christ passed on the cross, he went to hell to preach the gospel, in order to give them a chance at salvation.

There is some inconsistencies with the tradition and misunderstandings with the language used. Also like a lot of things, the Bible does not get into the details of this either way, so there are a few interpretations of this, and some point out that the verbiage used in the Bible does not necessarily point to hell.

On this point I agree, but I still do not know if this tradition is true or not. When I was at Cambridge I happened to attend a seminar on this. And this was given as a speculative point of view. This was not given as biblical doctrine so I will not entertain the Fundamentalists going berserk over this. But here it goes.

When the English New Testament uses the word Hell it is usually being translated from the Greek word Hades. The writers of the New Testament mostly came from a Jewish back ground and Jews did not have a Hebrew word for Hell. So they borrowed the imagery from the Greek word Hades. Now Hades in Greco-Roman mythology was a god that had some negative qualities and he reigned over an under region of the same name. More or less like a prison and a punishment...minus the burning torture.

The imagery of this story is not about people screaming their lungs out as they stand in a pit of fire. This story is more likely about Sheol but the early Christians did not exactly know what to do with Sheol. Now in the Old Testament the people that died were gathered with their fathers in Sheol. Heaven and Hell were not destinations suggested. So we have Adam...Noah...Abraham...King David....King Solomon and the rest in Sheol. Since salvation was not offered or possible in the Old Testament, these people are stuck there. Sheol is not a place of torment and speculatively could be a nice place.

The scripture tells of Christ and the thief on the cross and Christ telling him that this day he will be with Him in paradise. Well the scriptures do not indicate that Christ went to Heaven after passing on the cross. So as the story goes Christ and the thief went to Sheol. There Christ preached the Gospel to those that would accept it and they were saved. The speculative view and logic of this, is that the Jews were God's people and it would make sense that He had a plan to save those of the Old Testament.

People wonder what happened to all the Jews in the Old Testament and some think that all of them went to Hell or died the death of oblivion. In other words their souls ceased to exist. But this story...tradition...offers an answer to what happened to them. Would God have a plan for all those in the Old Testament?

Now you can take this with a grain of salt because biblical proof is thin. I am just offering this as answer to your question.

The website below is from the Catholic point of view.


What Does it Mean that Jesus “Descended Into Hell”? - CNA Columns: Viewpoint
 

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"Jesus Go To Hell?"

No. That's a lie from Satan. ONLY sinners go to Hell.

Yes and in the bible Jesus can be found sitting and eating and drinking with the sinners. Jesus went to the sinners to preach to them, which is what the bible says and why Jesus went to spirit prison to teach to them.
 
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KJV 1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached
unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Please allow me to offer my understanding of the above.
Jesus was quickened by the Spirit, by which also he preached to...
The spirits in prison... Those in the prison house of sin.
When? In the days of Noah.
Who did the actual preaching? Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and filled with the spirit of Christ.

Simple really.
 

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KJV 1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached
unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Please allow me to offer my understanding of the above.
Jesus was quickened by the Spirit, by which also he preached to...
The spirits in prison... Those in the prison house of sin.
When? In the days of Noah.
Who did the actual preaching? Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and filled with the spirit of Christ.

Simple really.
Just to add...
The wages of sin is death. Nowhere in scripture does it say the wages of sin is hell. Jesus paid the price of sin... Death. He was buried, and the hebrew word for grave is sheol... Translated as hell in the English Bible... Wrongly I believe. Jesus died, was buried, and was resurrected. He didn't go anywhere else... Not even to heaven/paradise until after the resurrection. So the thief on the other cross didn't go there either on that day. Just sayin.
 

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Just to add...
The wages of sin is death. Nowhere in scripture does it say the wages of sin is hell. Jesus paid the price of sin... Death. He was buried, and the hebrew word for grave is sheol... Translated as hell in the English Bible... Wrongly I believe. Jesus died, was buried, and was resurrected. He didn't go anywhere else... Not even to heaven/paradise until after the resurrection. So the thief on the other cross didn't go there either on that day. Just sayin.

Hi BL!
Why did Jesus say to the thief he would see Him in paradise "that day" then?
 
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There are five Bible passages used to support the idea that Christ really did descend into hell between his death and resurrection.

1. Acts 2:27

This is part of Peter’s sermon on the Day of Pentecost, where he quotes Psalm 16:10: “because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead [KJV: “leave my soul in hell”], nor will you let your faithful one see decay.”

Does this mean Jesus entered hell? Not necessarily. Peter is using David’s psalm to show that Christ’s body did not decay—he is therefore unlike David, who “died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day”

2. Romans 10:6–7

These verses contain two rhetorical questions, again Old Testament quotations (from Deut. 30:13): “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down) or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”

But this passage hardly teaches that Christ descended into hell. The point of the passage is that Paul is telling people not to ask these questions, because Christ is not far away—he is near—and faith in him is as near as confessing with our mouth and believing in our heart (v. 9).

3. Ephesians 4:8–9

Here Paul writes, “In saying, ‘He ascended,’ what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth?”

Does this mean that Christ “descended” to hell?

It is at first unclear what is meant by “the lower parts of the earth,” but another translation seems to give the best sense: “What does ‘he ascended’ mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?” (NIV). Here the NIV takes “descended” to refer to Christ’s coming to earth as a baby (the Incarnation). The last four words are an acceptable understanding of the Greek text, taking the phrase “the lower regions of the earth” to mean “lower regions which are the earth.”

Paul is saying that the Christ who went up to heaven (in his ascension) is the same one who earlier came down from heaven (v. 10). That “descent” from heaven occurred, of course, when Christ came to be born as a man. So the verse speaks of the incarnation, not of a descent into hell.

4. 1 Peter 3:18–20

This passage says: “For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.”

For many people this is the most puzzling passage on this entire subject. Let’s unpack several questions surrounding this text:

Does 1 Peter 3:18–20 refer to Christ preaching in hell?

Some have taken “he went and preached to the spirits in prison” to mean that Christ went into hell and preached to the spirits who were there—either proclaiming the gospel and offering a second chance to repent, or just proclaiming that he had triumphed over them and that they were eternally condemned.

But these interpretations fail to explain adequately either the passage itself or its setting in this context. Peter does not say that Christ preached to spirits generally, but only to those “who formerly did not obey...during the building of the ark.” Such a limited audience—those who disobeyed during the building of the ark—would be a strange group for Christ to travel to hell and preach to.

If Christ proclaimed his triumph, why only to these sinners and not to all? And if he offered a second chance for salvation, why only to these sinners and not to all? Even more difficult for this view is the fact that Scripture elsewhere indicates that there is no opportunity for repentance after death (Luke 16:26; Heb. 10:26–27).

Moreover, the context of 1 Peter 3 makes “preaching in hell” unlikely. Peter is encouraging his readers to witness boldly to hostile unbelievers around them. He just told them to “always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you” (1 Peter 3:15 NIV). This evangelistic motif would lose its urgency if Peter were teaching a second chance for salvation after death. And it would not fit at all with a “preaching” of condemnation.

Does 1 Peter 3:18–20 refer to Christ preaching to fallen angels?

To give a better explanation for these difficulties, several commentators have proposed taking “spirits in prison” to mean demonic spirits, the spirits of fallen angels, and have said that Christ proclaimed condemnation to these demons. This (it is claimed) would comfort Peter’s readers by showing them that the demonic forces oppressing them would also be defeated by Christ.

However, Peter’s readers would have to go through an incredibly complicated reasoning process to draw this conclusion when Peter does not explicitly teach it. They would have to reason from (1) some demons who sinned long ago were condemned, to (2) other demons are now inciting your human persecutors, to (3) those demons will likewise be condemned someday, to (4) therefore your persecutors will finally be judged as well. Finally Peter’s readers would get to Peter’s point: (5) Therefore don’t fear your persecutors.

Does it not seem too farfetched to say that Peter knew his readers would read all this into the text?

Moreover, Peter emphasizes hostile persons, not demons, in the context (1 Peter 3:14, 16). And where would Peter’s readers get the idea that angels sinned “during the building of the ark”? There is nothing of that in the Genesis story about the building of the ark. And (in spite of what some have claimed), if we look at all the traditions of Jewish interpretation of the flood story, we find no mention of angels sinning specifically “during the building of the ark.” Therefore the view that Peter is speaking of Christ’s proclamation of judgment to fallen angels is really not persuasive either.

Does 1 Peter 3:18–20 refer to Christ’s proclaiming release to Old Testament saints?

Another explanation is that Christ, after his death, went and proclaimed release to Old Testament believers who had been unable to enter heaven until the completion of Christ’s redemptive work.

But again we may question whether this view adequately accounts for what the text actually says. It does not say that Christ preached to those who were believers or faithful to God, but to those “who formerly did not obey”—the emphasis is on their disobedience. Moreover, Peter does not specify Old Testament believers generally, but only those who were disobedient “in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark” (1 Peter 3:20).

Finally, Scripture gives us no clear evidence to make us think that full access to the blessings of being in God’s presence in heaven were withheld from Old Testament believers when they died—indeed, several passages suggest that believers who died before Christ’s death did enter into the presence of God at once because their sins were forgiven by trusting in the Messiah who was to come (Gen. 5:24; 2 Sam. 12:23; Pss. 16:11; 17:15; 23:6; Eccl. 12:7; Matt. 22:31–32; Luke 16:22; Rom. 4:1–8; Heb. 11:5).

A more satisfying explanation of 1 Peter 3:18–20

The most satisfactory explanation of 1 Peter 3:18–20 seems rather to be one proposed (but not really defended) long ago by Augustine: the passage refers not to something Christ did between his death and resurrection, but to what he did “in the spiritual realm of existence” (or “through the Spirit”) at the time of Noah. When Noah was building the ark, Christ “in spirit” was preaching through Noah to the hostile unbelievers around him.
 
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According to Acts 2:25-31, Jesus went to a place known by the Greek word
haides (hah'-dace) which is borrowed from Greek mythology. Haides-- a.k.a.
hades --speaks of a netherworld region where, at one time, all deceased
went regardless of age, race, gender, or religious preference. In other
words; not only was the rich man of Luke 16:19-31 in haides, but so was
Abraham and Lazarus; only their side of haides was far more
accommodating then the rich man's side. (cf. Luke 23:39-43)

The Jews likely picked up their knowledge of Grecian culture during the
Hellenistic period: a time in their history when Hellenistic Judaism was
developed. Jesus was no doubt familiar with it himself; and his apostles too.

Haides never speaks of a grave unless somebody forces it to. The correct
Greek word is mnemeion (mnay-mi' on)

For example:

Matt 27:52-53 . . And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the
saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection,
and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Matt 27:59-60 . . And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a
clean linen cloth, and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in
the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and
departed.

John 11:18 . . Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the
grave four days already.

John 11:38 . . Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the
grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.

John 12:17 . . The people therefore that was with him when he called
Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.

Those are only a smattering of examples from the New Testament where
grave is properly translated from mnemeion. Bible committees that render
haides as grave do so arbitrarily, i.e. by interpretation rather than by
translation. Caveat Lector.
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@Devin Wintch, mind quoting your Bible verses again and explain what the first one you quoted was referring to? Now for everybody who isn't in on this conversation of course Jesus didn't go to Hell because He deserved it, the argument is whether or not the Bible says that He went to Hell on our behalves when He died on the cross for our sins.


Well what people seem to forget is how was constructed and understood in the time of the Lord.

Hell is from the hebrews sheol and greek hades and simply means the grave and place of the underworld.

Hell was divided into three compartments:

1. the place of torments where all lost souls go before final internment in the lake of fire (the rich man in the account of Lazarus and the rich man)
2. Tartarus- the place where the angels who left heaven to have sex with women in Genesis 6 are confined.
3. Abrahams bosom/Paradise. this is where all the righteous dead went to await Jesus actually shedding His blood and rising from th edead.

When Jesus ascended back to heaven He took these souls with HIm to heaven, closed Paradise and now when a believer leaves their body- they go home to be with th eLord as Paul said in corinthians.

Hope this helps.
 
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Hi BL!
Why did Jesus say to the thief he would see Him in paradise "that day" then?
There was no punctuation in the original miss. The translaters allowed there own bias to prevail by putting the comma in the wrong place. Jesus said for effect, I tell you now this very day, you shall be with Me in paradise.
 

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There was no punctuation in the original miss. The translaters allowed there own bias to prevail by putting the comma in the wrong place. Jesus said for effect, I tell you now this very day, you shall be with Me in paradise.
Ooooh...He was telling the thief "this very day" of the crucifixion that he would see Him in paradise. One jot, one tittle removed can change a whole meaning/context, thanks for that bro!
 

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The bible teaches us we have a spiritual body perhaps, or how do they have tongues to burn in hell, although interpretations vary on these scriptures, but it's interesting:



It's a really good thing that we'll never know. :)



Yes and in the bible Jesus can be found sitting and eating and drinking with the sinners. Jesus went to the sinners to preach to them, which is what the bible says and why Jesus went to spirit prison to teach to them.




Exactly Jesus didn't go to Hell to be tortured, He went there to preach to the lost souls who hadn't heard the gospel and I thought that this has already been established?




Ooooh...He was telling the thief "this very day" of the crucifixion that he would see Him in paradise. One jot, one tittle removed can change a whole meaning/context, thanks for that bro!




I've been wondering the exact same thing for years now but I wonder if there were other mistakes made once the Bible was translated? Me personally I don't really care when I go to Heaven if it's immediately after death or not since I won't know the difference anyways. I'll just be really happy whenever I get to be with Jesus either way. :) (And I'm not really sure what I believe anymore about that lol)
 
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@Devin Wintch, mind quoting your Bible verses again and explain what the first one you quoted was referring to? Now for everybody who isn't in on this conversation of course Jesus didn't go to Hell because He deserved it, the argument is whether or not the Bible says that He went to Hell on our behalves when He died on the cross for our sins.
To which "hell" do you refer? If you mean, "the grave" or "the place of the dead" where the man Jesus did "sleep the sleep of death", though His divinity did not die, of course.

If you mean "hell" as in the "fiery, burning, blazing" hell of "gehenna", that isn't burning yet:

"...and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment, to be punished." 2 Peter 2:9 KJV
 
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FAQ: In standard Bibles; Jesus told one of his fellow prisoners that they
would be in paradise the very day of their deaths (Luke 23:43). But three
days later he told Mary Magdalena that he had not yet ascended to his
Father (John 20:17). How do you reconcile Jesus' statements in standard
Bibles?


A: Well, of one thing we can be very certain: when Jesus died, he didn't go
up; quite the opposite direction: he went down. (Matt 12:40, Ps 16:9-10,
and Acts 2:25-31)

Paradise is structured such that its elements exist in more than one place.
For example: a city park system consists of any number of parks located in
any number of places, yet each individual park can still be correctly called a
city park.

For another example; the Pacific Crest Trail (a.k.a. PCT) traverses the
north/south length of three states-- California, Oregon, and Washington. No
matter where trekkers might be located on the trail at any given moment--
whether south at mile No.1 in Campo San Diego, or 2,140 trail-miles to the
north at Cascade Locks Oregon --they're all on the very same PCT
regardless of which State they happen to be passing thru.

Paradise is sort of like that. There's a section of it in the netherworld (Luke
16:19-31) another in a secret region called the third heaven (2Cor 12:2-4)
and yet another situated with God. (Rev 2:7)
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