Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

[marks]

WHY COME or HOW COME do i see so many whose sins DONT SEEM to be removed at all
and their conscious seems NOT to have been purged at all .

They don't believe it's true. Both non-Christians and Christians.

For the Christian who does not understand how all sin from their life is blotted out on the cross. Our entire debt to God for sin . . . wiped clean!

We need to understand this because living as under Law works directly against us. The "requirement to perform" provokes our flesh, awakening it's hostility to God.

". . .for the motions of sin, which are by the Law, did work in our members . . ."

Grace frees us from Law, sin no more keeping us away from God, being reconciled in Jesus Christ, by His righteous act of obedience, not by anything we do or don't to. And since we are reconciled to God in Christ, we remain reconciled to God no matter how far off the rails we go. Make no mistake, God doesn't wink at our distress, He helps us. Because He loves us. He's already given us Jesus, He's not going to hold back anything else.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Are we not to "compare spiritual with spiritual" then?

Of coures we are. But that doesn't remove the meaning from what is written. It doesn't mean we are to take every passage we read and ask ourselves, What does God REALLY mean here? It's not what the words says . . . that's not spiritual! So what is the REAL meaning?

Everyone seems to come up with their own answer that way, and a 1,000 doctrines are born.

But if it means what it says, and we can't just say that takes away "spiritual content", then we have that as our starting point, and we are all on the same page.

I mean no offense, it just seems to me that you are overlooking the sayings of a great many passages in the Bible, thinking that the writers are using imprecise speech to give a sense of what they are talking about.

Personally I think the Bible writers wrote what God breathed through them, and that He speaks with precision. Yes there is metaphor, yes there is allegory, yes there are symbols and signs, and yes there are didactic passages, which are intended to give specific and exact information.

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

@marks, this is why I rarely bring up the topic of sin—it often feels unnecessary. In my view, most individuals are fully aware of their actions, even in altered states due to substance use. The focus placed on sin can become excessive, especially considering that, according to Christian belief, the price for sin has already been paid.

There’s a recurring pattern in such discussions: “Yes, Jesus paid for our sins—but…” However, the reality remains unchanged—Christ's sacrifice covered the sins of the world.

If something weighs on a person’s conscience and they feel it’s not right for them, it’s probably wise to let go of that behavior. It’s not about universal labels of right or wrong, but rather personal accountability and peace of mind.

I make this point deliberately: nothing is inherently evil. For example, someone who uses meth yet maintains full responsibility in their life may not perceive it as destructive. In contrast, another whose life unravels due to meth use may view it as evil. So who defines morality—the user or the abstainer?

This concept applies broadly, even to things like adult content. Ultimately, interpretation varies by individual.

What I do believe is that God has established governing authorities to ensure public safety, particularly from those who endanger others or themselves. Typically, legal consequences are determined by a court-appointed judge to serve justice and maintain order.

I don’t support condemning others. While it’s good to offer help to those open to receiving it, it's not appropriate to hover or pressure them relentlessly. Institutions like rehabilitation centers exist to support recovery and reintegration in a structured way.

In the end, sin has been dealt with. As the writer of Hebrews notes, believers are called to mature beyond foundational teachings—"Let us move beyond the elementary doctrine of Christ toward spiritual maturity."

 

[Lizbeth]

Of coures we are. But that doesn't remove the meaning from what is written. It doesn't mean we are to take every passage we read and ask ourselves, What does God REALLY mean here? It's not what the words says . . . that's not spiritual! So what is the REAL meaning?

Everyone seems to come up with their own answer that way, and a 1,000 doctrines are born.

But if it means what it says, and we can't just say that takes away "spiritual content", then we have that as our starting point, and we are all on the same page.

I mean no offense, it just seems to me that you are overlooking the sayings of a great many passages in the Bible, thinking that the writers are using imprecise speech to give a sense of what they are talking about.

Personally I think the Bible writers wrote what God breathed through them, and that He speaks with precision. Yes there is metaphor, yes there is allegory, yes there are symbols and signs, and yes there are didactic passages, which are intended to give specific and exact information.

Much love!

I think we agree that Jesus is in us by His Spirit.....and that the man Jesus didn't literally bodily jump down our throats to live in our stomach. Scripture is speaking of spiritual realities, not in a literal sense. It means what it says but not in a literal sense where it is conveying spiritual truth. Filling up that which is behind of the suffering of Christ to me is conveying the idea of sharing in His ministry (which involves suffering) and continuing it. If we suffer WITH Him, we shall reign with Him. Seem to me that these things are speaking of a participation in what He has already accomplished and finished/completed.

 

[Lizbeth]

There are people who bully other people though.

See the problem isn’t just walking away.

The problem is controlling.

I’m not Paul. And also I don’t have to have to rebuke or correct anyone.

I can share my thoughts, opinions or perspectives but when people start to down play me personally or I see them down playing anther person.

All that crap is just religious nonsense.

Controlling or forcing can never change anyone's heart. Can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink. We need to be free to receive anything for ourselves of our own free agency and volition, as that is how the Lord deals with us generally. Bullying and downplaying might only be the way you are taking things in a personal way. But as the bible says, I suggest if you have anything against your brother go to him and try to sort it out. It's not good to get offended and let things fester.

 

[Lizbeth]

See the old ways be tough and bust a person in the lip to prove a point.

Thats a bunch of fleshly nonsense.

Debates don’t do nothing either. Just flesh trying to please itself.

That’s why I cut ties and just use ignore on this website.

I’m only accountable to myself and what I do with my own life before I die.

I’m not gonna go around picking people apart. Especially when some dialogue between people are not caring what the other has to say anyway.

Aren't we accountable to GOD? We are all going to give account to Him for the things done while in the body.

 

[Lizbeth]

I used to be really hard on myself—again and again. But I don’t do that anymore. There’s no need to keep punishing myself just for recognizing the things I might be tempted by. These days, I simply make a choice: I either walk away from it, or I engage with it knowingly.

The truth is, nothing is inherently evil on its own. But if something causes harm to your spirit or convicts your conscience, it's wise to steer clear. Some folks say you shouldn't smoke, drink coffee, eat candy, or consume adult content—but in reality, everything has a context and purpose. The important thing is understanding our own hearts and being honest with ourselves.

Feeling upset about what we know we might do doesn’t always carry a lot of weight. What really matters is the condition of our heart—especially when it begins to harbor bitterness, condemnation, or judgment toward others. That’s what Jesus kept confronting the Pharisees about. He pointed out that they had missed the mark, and gently reminded them that he came to restore and heal what was broken.

Every person has their own journey, shaped by unique experiences and perspectives. We’re not called to live perfectly—we’re called to live humbly and gently, letting the Lord Yeshua guide us from within. He is the one who moves through us, doing good, not by our own strength but by his righteousness. And to him, we give all the glory.

I don't get the impression Jesus was always so gentle with the Pharisees.

But I think there needs to be the right balance between being too hard on ourselves and not being hard enough. Not good to be loosey-goosey in our walk or mindset, since we are called to walk circumspectly before the Lord. If nothing ever troubles our conscience we will not seek the Lord to do and be better. If we confess our sins to Him He will be faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Communion is an opportune time to examine ourselves, and confess to the Lord and bring things to the cross that we need to. Walking in the light means we will allow Him to shine His light on anything that we need to be aware of that needs changed and washed. We have had the bath but now need to let Him wash our feet along the way as needed. Feet has to do with our walk I believe. And we all do need it....Jesus said if we don't let Him wash our feet we will have no part with Him.

 

[MatthewG]

Controlling or forcing can never change anyone's heart. Can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink. We need to be free to receive anything for ourselves of our own free agency and volition, as that is how the Lord deals with us generally. Bullying and downplaying might only be the way you are taking things in a personal way. But as the bible says, I suggest if you have anything against your brother go to him and try to sort it out. It's not good to get offended and let things fester.

Aren't we accountable to GOD? We are all going to give account to Him for the things done while in the body.

I don't get the impression Jesus was always so gentle with the Pharisees.

But I think there needs to be the right balance between being too hard on ourselves and not being hard enough. Not good to be loosey-goosey in our walk or mindset, since we are called to walk circumspectly before the Lord. If nothing ever troubles our conscience we will not seek the Lord to do and be better. If we confess our sins to Him He will be faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Communion is an opportune time to examine ourselves, and confess to the Lord and bring things to the cross that we need to. Walking in the light means we will allow Him to shine His light on anything that we need to be aware of that needs changed and washed. We have had the bath but now need to let Him wash our feet along the way as needed. Feet has to do with our walk I believe. And we all do need it....Jesus said if we don't let Him wash our feet we will have no part with Him.

I'll let you decide.

 

[Lizbeth]

Unfortunately, there are individuals who feel compelled to enforce strict doctrinal alignment, insisting that anyone who differs from their interpretation isn’t truly a Christian. But they are not the ones who judge.

We are supposed to judge those within the church, but not those without. In the sense of governing. I think the epistles give us an idea of how things should be done. Can't force people to accept sound doctrine, but it does need to be preached and upheld. We will all be judged by God and those who are spiritual leaders in the church overseeing the flock will even be judged more strictly.

 

[MatthewG]

We are supposed to judge those within the church, but not those without. In the sense of governing. I think the epistles give us an idea of how things should be done. Can't force people to accept sound doctrine, but it does need to be preached and upheld. We will all be judged by God and those who are spiritual leaders in the church overseeing the flock will even be judged more strictly.

Ill let you decide what you wanna do.

 

[Lizbeth]

They don't believe it's true. Both non-Christians and Christians.

For the Christian who does not understand how all sin from their life is blotted out on the cross. Our entire debt to God for sin . . . wiped clean!

We need to understand this because living as under Law works directly against us. The "requirement to perform" provokes our flesh, awakening it's hostility to God.

". . .for the motions of sin, which are by the Law, did work in our members . . ."

Grace frees us from Law, sin no more keeping us away from God, being reconciled in Jesus Christ, by His righteous act of obedience, not by anything we do or don't to. And since we are reconciled to God in Christ, we remain reconciled to God no matter how far off the rails we go. Make no mistake, God doesn't wink at our distress, He helps us. Because He loves us. He's already given us Jesus, He's not going to hold back anything else.

Much love!

We HAVE been freed from the curse of death/condemnation that was under the Law. But we are only WALKING free when we are walking in the Spirit. Somehow there is a right balance to these things, though I'm not sure I always know exactly where that is. Law is good if it is used in the new way of the Spirit and Paul said it was by the Law that he learned what sin is. So we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I think God is still using the Law to train up and instruct His children in the way we should go, as we need it.

No way have we been guaranteed to remain reconciled to God no matter what. A three fold cord is not EASILY broken, but it can be. If we keep on willfully sinning there remains no more sacrifice for sins. Sin still can separate us from God. Not talking about inadvertent little things from time to time, but someone who keeps on knowingly and willfully living a sinful lifestyle is without question away from the Lord, unless they repent. God will not be mocked. He will do His part to try and warn and retrieve the wandering sheep, but it remains with the individual whether to come back to their senses or not.

Eze 3:17-21

Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

 

[Lizbeth]

I make this point deliberately: nothing is inherently evil.

Will you please explain what you mean by this or why you believe it? It doesn't seem right, since God has a lot to say about evil even in the new testament, for example:

Rom 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Rom 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

 

[MatthewG]

Will you please explain what you mean by this or why you believe it? It doesn't seem right, since God has a lot to say about evil even in the new testament, for example:

Rom 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Rom 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

No. Lizbeth.

 

[MatthewG]

Here you got @Lizbeth,

Nothing in itself is inherently evil, can you describe this in a way I can explain it. Microsoft Copilot: Your AI companion


Absolutely! Here’s a clear and friendly way you can explain the idea:

The phrase “nothing in itself is inherently evil” means that things—objects, actions, or even ideas—aren’t automatically bad by nature. What makes something harmful or wrong often depends on how it’s used, the intentions behind it, and the context.
For example:

• Money isn’t evil, but the love of money that leads to greed or exploitation can be.
• Speech can be used to heal or to hurt—it's not the words themselves, but how they’re used.
• Even something as basic as food or drink can become destructive when taken to excess or used irresponsibly.

From a biblical perspective, this idea is reflected in verses like Romans 14:14, where Paul says: “I am convinced that nothing is unclean in itself, but if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.” It’s about the heart and mindset behind the action—not just the action itself.
This helps create space for grace and discernment. Instead of labeling things as “evil” at face value, we consider the impact, purpose, and the spirit in which they’re engaged.

 

[Lizbeth]

Here you got @Lizbeth,

Nothing in itself is inherently evil, can you describe this in a way I can explain it. Microsoft Copilot: Your AI companion


Absolutely! Here’s a clear and friendly way you can explain the idea:

The phrase “nothing in itself is inherently evil” means that things—objects, actions, or even ideas—aren’t automatically bad by nature. What makes something harmful or wrong often depends on how it’s used, the intentions behind it, and the context.
For example:

• Money isn’t evil, but the love of money that leads to greed or exploitation can be.
• Speech can be used to heal or to hurt—it's not the words themselves, but how they’re used.
• Even something as basic as food or drink can become destructive when taken to excess or used irresponsibly.

From a biblical perspective, this idea is reflected in verses like Romans 14:14, where Paul says: “I am convinced that nothing is unclean in itself, but if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.” It’s about the heart and mindset behind the action—not just the action itself.
This helps create space for grace and discernment. Instead of labeling things as “evil” at face value, we consider the impact, purpose, and the spirit in which they’re engaged.

ok brother, thank you...... looking carefully at Romans 14:14, it seems to be talking about meat and drink. Under the Law, God had commanded that some things were to be deemed ritually unclean to consume, but under grace all things are considered clean and permissible to consume, as long as doing so doesn't cause someone else to stumble. Those laws/ordinances no longer apply, and one is free to eat or not eat according to their faith and conscience.

I would have a lot of trouble accepting that some things in life are not evil or unclean. I don't think that can be what Paul meant because it would contradict other things that are taught in scripture:

Mar 7:21-23
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. (defile means to make unclean)

I mean, our hearts in Christ tell us that something like murder is evil and that things like lewdness and lust is unclean and ought not to be done, we just know that because His laws are written on our hearts. We are in a spiritual battle and the first "weapon" is get our thoughts to agree with God's word and then we have solid ground from which to begin fighting the good fight, in whatever area we happen to be dealing with. Depending on every person's unique situation, we all find some things are easier to walk away from than others. And in cases of bondage the Lord will work in our life, if we seek and allow Him to. But the beginning of freedom I believe is to "only acknowledge your sin" as the Lord pleaded with His people. We need to acknowledge our sin as sin, agreeing with the Lord, and seek Him to deliver or heal us, because Jesus said "blessed are you who mourn now for you will be comforted". Agreeing with the Lord about a sin doesn't mean condemning ourselves. And He is only going to condemn if we don;t agree with Him or care about it. We do need to be contrite....a humble and contrite heart He will not despise or turn away. Focus on Jesus, not on the sin, and over time He will work in us and we will one day realize we've come through the other side, or He may give an instant deliverance or healing at some point. If we focus on the sin, rather than on the Lord that is like Peter turning his gaze off Jesus to the wind and waves and that makes it all look impossible causing us to sink. WITH God, all things ARE possible.

 

[MatthewG]

ok brother, thank you...... looking carefully at Romans 14:14, it seems to be talking about meat and drink. Under the Law, God had commanded that some things were to be deemed ritually unclean to consume, but under grace all things are considered clean and permissible to consume, as long as doing so doesn't cause someone else to stumble. Those laws/ordinances no longer apply, and one is free to eat or not eat according to their faith and conscience.

I would have a lot of trouble accepting that some things in life are not evil or unclean. I don't think that can be what Paul meant because it would contradict other things that are taught in scripture:

Mar 7:21-23
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. (defile means to make unclean)

I mean, our hearts in Christ tell us that something like murder is evil and that things like lewdness and lust is unclean and ought not to be done, we just know that because His laws are written on our hearts. We are in a spiritual battle and the first "weapon" is get our thoughts to agree with God's word and then we have solid ground from which to begin fighting the good fight, in whatever area we happen to be dealing with. Depending on every person's unique situation, we all find some things are easier to walk away from than others. And in cases of bondage the Lord will work in our life, if we seek and allow Him to. But the beginning of freedom I believe is to "only acknowledge your sin" as the Lord pleaded with His people. We need to acknowledge our sin as sin, agreeing with the Lord, and seek Him to deliver or heal us, because Jesus said "blessed are you who mourn now for you will be comforted". Agreeing with the Lord about a sin doesn't mean condemning ourselves. And He is only going to condemn if we don;t agree with Him or care about it. We do need to be contrite....a humble and contrite heart He will not despise or turn away. Focus on Jesus, not on the sin, and over time He will work in us and we will one day realize we've come through the other side, or He may give an instant deliverance or healing at some point. If we focus on the sin, rather than on the Lord that is like Peter turning his gaze off Jesus to the wind and waves and that makes it all look impossible causing us to sink. WITH God, all things ARE possible.

Hey Lizbeth,

Absolutely—and you’ve made an important distinction here. Paul’s writings often point back to matters of the heart and conscience, not just external behavior. His message in places like Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 8 reinforces the idea that individual conviction, guided by faith and love, plays a key role in how we navigate decisions.

When it comes to things like THC—or anything not directly addressed in Scripture—it really does come down to each person's relationship with God. If someone feels peace about it and it doesn’t hinder their ability to live responsibly, then that’s something for them to walk out with God. If their conscience is troubled by it, then it’s wise to step away.

The bigger picture is this: God cares about our motives, our honesty before Him, and our desire to walk in love. And your example helps keep the focus right where it should be—on seeking Him with sincerity, rather than just checking boxes.

 

[Lizbeth]

Hey Lizbeth,

Absolutely—and you’ve made an important distinction here. Paul’s writings often point back to matters of the heart and conscience, not just external behavior. His message in places like Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 8 reinforces the idea that individual conviction, guided by faith and love, plays a key role in how we navigate decisions.

When it comes to things like THC—or anything not directly addressed in Scripture—it really does come down to each person's relationship with God. If someone feels peace about it and it doesn’t hinder their ability to live responsibly, then that’s something for them to walk out with God. If their conscience is troubled by it, then it’s wise to step away.

The bigger picture is this: God cares about our motives, our honesty before Him, and our desire to walk in love. And your example helps keep the focus right where it should be—on seeking Him with sincerity, rather than just checking boxes.

With something like THC, I know life can be unspeakably cruel and harsh and people are walking around with so much pain and sometimes feel they need medicating. But I think one should seek the Lord for healing and aim to get off chemicals with His help and rely on Him. And I hope they would be sure that the "peace" they are feeling is of God, not the THC......the devil can really mess with the mind and deceive through drugs of different kinds...it has potential to open doors to unwanted and deceptive spirits that in the end are destructive.

 

[MatthewG]

With something like THC, I know life can be unspeakably cruel and harsh and people are walking around with so much pain and sometimes feel they need medicating. But I think one should seek the Lord for healing and aim to get off chemicals with His help and rely on Him. And I hope they would be sure that the "peace" they are feeling is of God, not the THC......the devil can really mess with the mind and deceive through drugs of different kinds...it has potential to open doors to unwanted and deceptive spirits that in the end are destructive.

@Lizbeth,

Whew, I’ve been up for 15 hours now—starting to feel it! Honestly, I think it’s pretty clear that putting God first is what really matters. People have the freedom to live their lives how they choose, and that’s between them and God.

I keep hearing talk about the devil, but personally, I don’t think he’s lurking around like some imagine. What I do believe is that darkness is real—and when people slip into it, that’s when you see things like hatred, grudges, and stepping away from the light.

Just being real with you—it does wear me out going back and forth on all this sometimes.

I’m not about to go around telling people how they should live. That’s God’s territory, and I believe He’s perfectly capable of guiding those who belong to Him, writing His laws on their hearts and minds. He sees everything—nothing slips past Him.

Anyway, all the best to you. I'm feeling tired and think it's a good moment to pause the conversation. We've shared a lot, and I think we both understand where we’re coming from.

Let’s keep walking in faith and doing our best to love each other well. That’s what matters most.

 

[Lizbeth]

@Lizbeth,

Whew, I’ve been up for 15 hours now—starting to feel it! Honestly, I think it’s pretty clear that putting God first is what really matters. People have the freedom to live their lives how they choose, and that’s between them and God.

I keep hearing talk about the devil, but personally, I don’t think he’s lurking around like some imagine. What I do believe is that darkness is real—and when people slip into it, that’s when you see things like hatred, grudges, and stepping away from the light.

Just being real with you—it does wear me out going back and forth on all this sometimes.

I’m not about to go around telling people how they should live. That’s God’s territory, and I believe He’s perfectly capable of guiding those who belong to Him, writing His laws on their hearts and minds. He sees everything—nothing slips past Him.

Anyway, all the best to you. I'm feeling tired and think it's a good moment to pause the conversation. We've shared a lot, and I think we both understand where we’re coming from.

Let’s keep walking in faith and doing our best to love each other well. That’s what matters most.

ok brother. I do think that caring about one another's life and soul and encouraging and exhorting in the right direction is part of loving, but we'll give it a rest. Take care for now.

 

[marks]

I would have a lot of trouble accepting that some things in life are not evil or unclean. I don't think that can be what Paul meant because it would contradict other things that are taught in scripture:

Titus 1:15 KJV
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Much love!