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Was Jesus telling us to engage in a completely new unique approach towards God called, "faith'? Or is the faith he asks from us, simple faith we rely on everyday, but used in a different way?
 

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Remember when you where a kid and you sat on a wall, and dad said jump ill catch you, that is the faith we are supoosed to be walking in, the faith of a child who trusts there father.
 
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That kind of blind wall jumping faith is great for children.

You do as you're told and you're justified.

But the faith he really desires is the kind where you jump but because you're told to, but because you know its right to do.

That is the faith he wants. One that places faith into his words are good not only because he said them, but we know for ourselves they profit ourselves.
 

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Mar 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

In all His Love
 

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Faith is suspending our disbelief. We can only exercise faith effectively if we trust. Not every situation or person or is worthy of trust. God is worthy. All faith is the same faith we are called to exercise it with God. Blind obedience is not faith because there is no hope involved and therefore no risk.
 

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aspen said:
Faith is suspending our disbelief. We can only exercise faith effectively if we trust. Not every situation or person or is worthy of trust. God is worthy. All faith is the same faith we are called to exercise it with God. Blind obedience is not faith because there is no hope involved and therefore no risk.
I don't follow, why doesn't blind obedience involve hope?
 

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lforrest said:
I don't follow, why doesn't blind obedience involve hope?
You can adhere to blind obedience without hope - I do it at work everyday...haha

Most people who follow tyrants are adhering to blind obedience - usually without hope.
 

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aspen said:
Was Jesus telling us to engage in a completely new unique approach towards God called, "faith'? Or is the faith he asks from us, simple faith we rely on everyday, but used in a different way?
I would say there's two types of faith, saving faith and every day faith.
 

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ATP said:
I would say there's two types of faith, saving faith and every day faith.
What is the difference?
 

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ATP said:
Saving faith is about salvation in Christ, every day faith is about blessings from Christ.
So what is the difference? The direction the faith is going or the quality of the faith itself?
 

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aspen said:
So what is the difference? The direction the faith is going or the quality of the faith itself?
Faith in salvation is a one time event. Every day faith is every day faith, having faith that God will get you through the every day things.
 

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Faith in salvation is a one time event. Every day faith is every day faith, having faith that God will get you through the every day things.
So we only have to have faith in God once? That does not make sense - picking up my cross daily requires daily, moment by moment faith in God. Sort of like having faith that I am still employed, as I progress through the workday


Faith is faith. Jesus didn't ask us to do something that we had never done before when He asked us to exercise faith. If He did, He would have had to teach us how to do it or magically endow us with a new skill.
 

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But salvation and every day blessings are two different topics. Yes, we are only believing once that Jesus is God.
Salvation and faith are not the same thing. Believing that Jesus is God is also not salvation - even the demons know that
 

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aspen said:
Salvation and faith are not the same thing. Believing that Jesus is God is also not salvation - even the demons know that
Salvation is believing in a Savior. We are only believing once in a Savior.
 

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Salvation is believing in a Savior. We are only believing once in a Savior.
Yet, you still need a savior, because you are still a sinner
 

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aspen said:
Yet, you still need a savior, because you are still a sinner
And God understands that, God knows we will never be perfect.
That is why He died on the cross for all sins, past present future..
John 1:29 NIV, Rom 4:7-8 NIV, Col 2:13-15 NIV, Heb 7:27 NIV, Heb 10:12 NIV, 1 John 2:12 NIV, Rev 1:4-5 NIV.
 

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And God understands that, God knows we will never be perfect.
That is why He died on the cross for all sins, past present future..
John 1:29 NIV, Rom 4:7-8 NIV, Col 2:13-15 NIV, Heb 7:27 NIV, Heb 10:12 NIV, 1 John 2:12 NIV, Rev 1:4-5 NIV.
You are right that we will never be perfect on Earth, but we will be perfect in Heaven. We are learning how to be citizens of Heaven right now, even in our imperfection.