Was Jesus telling us to engage in a completely new unique approach towards God called, "faith'? Or is the faith he asks from us, simple faith we rely on everyday, but used in a different way?
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To which statements by Jesus are you referring?aspen said:Was Jesus telling us to engage in a completely new unique approach towards God called, "faith'? Or is the faith he asks from us, simple faith we rely on everyday, but used in a different way?
I don't follow, why doesn't blind obedience involve hope?aspen said:Faith is suspending our disbelief. We can only exercise faith effectively if we trust. Not every situation or person or is worthy of trust. God is worthy. All faith is the same faith we are called to exercise it with God. Blind obedience is not faith because there is no hope involved and therefore no risk.
You can adhere to blind obedience without hope - I do it at work everyday...hahalforrest said:I don't follow, why doesn't blind obedience involve hope?
I would say there's two types of faith, saving faith and every day faith.aspen said:Was Jesus telling us to engage in a completely new unique approach towards God called, "faith'? Or is the faith he asks from us, simple faith we rely on everyday, but used in a different way?
What is the difference?ATP said:I would say there's two types of faith, saving faith and every day faith.
Saving faith is about salvation in Christ, every day faith is about blessings from Christ.aspen said:What is the difference?
So what is the difference? The direction the faith is going or the quality of the faith itself?ATP said:Saving faith is about salvation in Christ, every day faith is about blessings from Christ.
Faith in salvation is a one time event. Every day faith is every day faith, having faith that God will get you through the every day things.aspen said:So what is the difference? The direction the faith is going or the quality of the faith itself?
So we only have to have faith in God once? That does not make sense - picking up my cross daily requires daily, moment by moment faith in God. Sort of like having faith that I am still employed, as I progress through the workdayATP said:Faith in salvation is a one time event. Every day faith is every day faith, having faith that God will get you through the every day things.
Salvation and faith are not the same thing. Believing that Jesus is God is also not salvation - even the demons know thatATP said:But salvation and every day blessings are two different topics. Yes, we are only believing once that Jesus is God.
Salvation is believing in a Savior. We are only believing once in a Savior.aspen said:Salvation and faith are not the same thing. Believing that Jesus is God is also not salvation - even the demons know that
Yet, you still need a savior, because you are still a sinnerATP said:Salvation is believing in a Savior. We are only believing once in a Savior.
And God understands that, God knows we will never be perfect.aspen said:Yet, you still need a savior, because you are still a sinner
You are right that we will never be perfect on Earth, but we will be perfect in Heaven. We are learning how to be citizens of Heaven right now, even in our imperfection.ATP said:And God understands that, God knows we will never be perfect.
That is why He died on the cross for all sins, past present future..
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