Divine Knowledge Of Good And Evil Before Human Knowledge Of Good And Evil

[Stumpmaster]

. . . so you have not proven what you mistakenly think you have.

The circle set portrays Omniscience in contrast to human experiential knowledge, nothing more.

 

[XtraPercept]

Quotes can be used in answers.. Everyone knows that unless their perception is clouded.

You are correct. I apologize for my brash words and my failure to take note of this prior to your correction.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The Hebrew term נָגִיד (nāgîd), often translated as “prince”, is more accurately understood in many pre-exilic contexts as a “divine designee”—a royal figure appointed by God. Though the typical English rendering may be misleading, its usage in the Hebrew Bible suggests a title closely tied to divine appointment and early kingship.

In pre-exilic texts, nāgîd is used exclusively of kings, such as Saul, David, Solomon, Jeroboam I, and Jehu—all figures involved in the establishment or continuation of dynasties. It is therefore best understood as a primary royal title, rather than a general term for a prince or official. For example, in 2 Kings 20:5, the term is used of Hezekiah, though it does not appear in the parallel passage in Isaiah 38:5. If original, its use here may reflect a retrospective application of terminology from the Davidic period.

Curiously, the use of nāgîd in Ezekiel 28:2 for the king of Tyre stands out, as the term is otherwise confined to Israelite kings in pre-exilic usage.

In post-exilic texts, the scope of nāgîd broadens significantly, referring to a range of high-ranking figures—priestly officials (e.g., 1 Chr. 9:11; Neh. 11:11), military leaders (e.g., 1 Chr. 9:20; 2 Chr. 32:21), and other administrative roles. This broader usage continued into later Hebrew.

In earlier texts, nāgîd is most often associated with divine appointment, using verbs like צִוָּה (tsivvah, "command") or מָשַׁח (mashach, "anoint"), indicating that God himself designated individuals for this role (e.g., 1 Sam. 10:1; 13:14; 2 Sam. 6:21; 7:8; 1 Kgs. 14:7).

Though some scholars (e.g., Mettinger and Lipiński) have proposed that nāgîd originally meant “crown prince,” this theory is weakly supported:

• 1 Kgs 1:35, where David appoints Solomon as nāgîd, is unique in having a human make the designation.
• 2 Chr. 11:22 may reflect a later, expanded use of nāgîd in the post-exilic period, not its original meaning.
• The suggested etymology linking nāgîd to the root נגד (n-g-d, “to declare” or “announce”) is linguistically problematic. As noted, the derivation would require a Hiphil form, and the argument leans on a questionable wordplay rather than true etymology.

Thus, Fritz’s conclusion that “the original meaning of nāgîd is difficult to determine” is probably the most realistic stance.

Nevertheless, several key features of the term stand out:

1. It is mostly limited to Israel’s first monarchs.
2. Its use is typically tied to divine appointment, with God as the subject of the verb nearly every time.
3. It appears infrequently in poetic literature, suggesting it was more of a functional or official title than a literary or metaphorical one.

Importantly, nāgîd emphasizes the relationship between God and the king. This theologically loaded meaning made it inappropriate as a title for God Himself—He is the King, but not a “divine designee,” since He is not appointed by anyone.

@Nameaboveallnames I was expecting some strong counterpoints (strike 2&3) from you, but nothing came. I hope the truths above stay your urge to twist Scripture to fit your fallen angel origin story.

Also, we completed our examination of Ezekiel 28 and now moved onto Isaiah 14 Unlocking Isaiah 14

 

[Davy]

Why It is Important To Understand God's Parable of Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 About Lucifer:

In both of God's parables about the devil in Ezekiel 28 (using the "king of Tyrus" as a TYPE), and in Isaiah 14 (using the king of Babylon), the MAIN SIN that the devil originally did was in COVETING GOD'S THRONE, WANTING TO BE THE GOD.

Being your 'own' god is also how the devil tempted Eve in God's Garden of Eden.

That concept is SO... IMPORTANT TODAY, because Bible prophecy about the END of this world reveals the devil is COMING TO OUR WORLD, TO EARTH, TO TRY AND PLAY GOD AGAIN, WORKING MIRACLES.

So when brethren that try to talk up those parables about the devil in Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 do not include that FIRST SIN which the devil did in the 'old world' to originally rebel against GOD, then it likely means THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COMING AT THE END OF THIS PRESENT WORLD EITHER. THEREFORE, BEWARE.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Why It is Important To Understand God's Parable of Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 About Lucifer:

In both of God's parables about the devil in Ezekiel 28 (using the "king of Tyrus" as a TYPE), and in Isaiah 14 (using the king of Babylon), the MAIN SIN that the devil originally did was in COVETING GOD'S THRONE, WANTING TO BE THE GOD.

Being your 'own' god is also how the devil tempted Eve in God's Garden of Eden.

That concept is SO... IMPORTANT TODAY, because Bible prophecy about the END of this world reveals the devil is COMING TO OUR WORLD, TO EARTH, TO TRY AND PLAY GOD AGAIN, WORKING MIRACLES.

So when brethren that try to talk up those parables about the devil in Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 do not include that FIRST SIN which the devil did in the 'old world' to originally rebel against GOD, then it likely means THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COMING AT THE END OF THIS PRESENT WORLD EITHER. THEREFORE, BEWARE.

Those chapters have been unlocked and debunked as being used for your fictious fallen angel. There is a sense of desperation in this text Davy as though you are holding onto something you cannot prove. The evidence in these threads is overwhelmingly clear.

Unlocking Isaiah 14

A literal goat? I need more Wick, sorry Most Bible scholars today think that Azazel is the name of a god or devil - that's why it appears as a name rather than being translated. One die is cast for the Lord, and the other die is cast for... who? a literal goat? :IDK: Ancient tradition ALSO...

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Unlocking Ezekiel 28

This thread is a discussion (@Wick Stick) on Ezekiel 28 focusing in on the symbols and their interpretation. This passage is typically used to prove that Satan is a fallen angel although neither are mentioned in the chapter. Let's begin.

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I understand your strong desire for an origin story, and you’ll try to find one anywhere in Scripture. However, these two prophecies have withstood your misinterpretation and remain firmly true.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Why It is Important To Understand God's Parable of Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 About Lucifer:

In both of God's parables about the devil in Ezekiel 28 (using the "king of Tyrus" as a TYPE), and in Isaiah 14 (using the king of Babylon), the MAIN SIN that the devil originally did was in COVETING GOD'S THRONE, WANTING TO BE THE GOD.

Being your 'own' god is also how the devil tempted Eve in God's Garden of Eden.

That concept is SO... IMPORTANT TODAY, because Bible prophecy about the END of this world reveals the devil is COMING TO OUR WORLD, TO EARTH, TO TRY AND PLAY GOD AGAIN, WORKING MIRACLES.

So when brethren that try to talk up those parables about the devil in Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 do not include that FIRST SIN which the devil did in the 'old world' to originally rebel against GOD, then it likely means THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COMING AT THE END OF THIS PRESENT WORLD EITHER. THEREFORE, BEWARE.

Did you understand Post #36?