Division of Jerusalem

[Christina]

Olmert, Abbas Agree to Negotiate Over Jerusalem (IsraelNN.com) Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas agreed Tuesday to begin negotiations over the three "core issues" on which Israel is expected to make concessions: the division of Jerusalem, a return to pre-1967 borders and an influx of Arabs into pre-1967 Israel. Despite this, neither Yisrael Beiteinu nor Shas said they would leave the coalition. Yisrael Beiteinu chief Avigdor Lieberman's "close associates" told the press that he did not intend to create a political crisis at this time, and Shas hinted that a deal for the release of Jonathan Pollard could leave it in the government.The negotiations between Israel and the PA will be held in what was termed a "three layered" model, according to Ynet: in the "central layer," Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and PA negotiator Ahmed Qureia (Abu Ala) will discuss the core issues directly. Next, negotiation teams will hammer out the details of the agreements reached by Livni and Qureia (the "bottom layer"). Finally, if certain problems prove intractable, they will be discussed by Olmert and Abbas. According to Haaretz, there will be separate committees to discuss security arrangements, trade and economic issues, judicial matters and other civil matters. Lieberman won't create crisis nowAbbas and Olmert's meeting Tuesday lasted two hours and parts of it were held by the two with no one else present in the room. The mood, said Olmert's confidantes, was "very good."Minister of Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman (Yisrael Beiteinu), meanwhile, will not be leaving the government despite the decision to begin discussion of "core issues." Although Lieberman threatened Monday that "core issue" discussions would mean the end of his partnership in the coalition, he appeared to backtrack Tuesday.Ynet quoted Lieberman's "close associates" Tuesday as saying that the minister had no intention of leaving the coalition. "Lieberman is not interested in bringing about a political crisis during President Bush's visit to Israel," they explained. They added, however, that he would be demanding "clarifications" from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. The Jerusalem Post said Lieberman saw the latest developments "gravely," however. Diplomatic sources in Jerusalem said that they saw no reason why Lieberman should bolt the coalition. "The core issues have come up in all of the discussions between the leaders until now and negotiations about them will continue." The associates were also quoted as saying Lieberman did not want to resign or "create dramas and crises" during the Bush visit.Lieberman told Ynet: "I am not taking back what I said earlier in the week, about leaving the government if discussions of the core issues begin. However, we will not create a crisis now during the U.S. President's visit. It is too important for all of us. Now we will deal with the matters that are important to everyone, right and left, and next week after I receive clarifications from the Prime Minister I will decide what step to take."In a hint at the Likud, Lieberman said that the people attacking him from the right "are the last ones who can preach to us," because some of them stayed in the Sharon government during the Disengagement period.Shas wants PollardMK Gilad Erdan (Likud) called on Lieberman Tuesday to quit the government immediately. "This is the last chance for Lieberman and Yisrael Beiteinu to stand behind the statements they made during the elections, despite having broken all of their promises since then. Lieberman's exit could help the Likud and the national camp defend Jerusalem and the future of the country from the going-out-of-business sale Olmert is holding in order to save himself from the Winograd Commission," Erdan said. Shas, the hareidi-religious Sephardic party, is in no hurry to leave the government either: Shas said it will stay in the coalition if the U.S. releases Jonathan Pollard. According to Shas chairman Eli Yishai, Shas intends to pass President Bush a letter from its mentor, Rabbi Ovadya Yosef, asking him to release Pollard. The letter will be handed to Bush by Prime Minister Olmert

 

[Christina]

Bush and Olmert as well as Abbas and anyone else involed in divideing Jerusalemwill pay a high price God hates the dividing of his land buckle your seat belts

 

[Jordan]

(kriss;30205)
Bush and Olmert as well as Abbas and anyone else involed in divideing Jerusalemwill pay a high price God hates the dividing of his land buckle your seat belts
Still learning. May I ask for scriptures please. Although I...wait a second. This has got to be with the agreeing with the devil part. No wonder why God hates it when people divides which belong to the Jews.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

 

[Christina]

Well heres one I think there is more just cant recall ay this moment maybe someone else remembers Daniel 11:39 "Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain."

 

[Christina]

Remember in 1967 when the Jews regained all of Jerusalem for the first time sense Christ died on the cross this was a fulfilment of prophesy If God set that as a date maker in bring about this miracle he isnt going to like it if the jews give it back to a the Muslims a false god. He says he will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone unto the World

 

[BernieEOD]

(kriss;30205)
Bush and Olmert as well as Abbas and anyone else involed in divideing Jerusalemwill pay a high price God hates the dividing of his land buckle your seat belts
That godless socialist state we call Isreal today is not God's nation. He divided it before and handed it over to Pagan nations when the Isrealis were far less diobedient than they are today. You are in no position to make such a statement.

 

[Christina]

Bernie you have always been foolish and it seems you havent changed in the last year or so anything you have to say to me doesnt much interest me

 

[BernieEOD]

(kriss;30214)
Bernie you have always been foolish and it seems you havent changed in the last year or so anything you have to say to me doesnt much interest me
Foolishnes is quoting the false prophets who aloways assure the Jews that God is on thier side no matter how disobedient they are. Yo are in no position to declare that God will punish Bush if he does not Give the Isrealis the go ahead to wipe out "Those evil Arabs".

 

[BernieEOD]

Kriss, every time you spout the same words as those of the false prophets, I will be there to present a rebuttal

 

[Letsgofishing]

(BernieEOD;30267)
Kriss, every time you spout the same words as those of the false prophets, I will be there to present a rebuttal
What false prophets??Kriss is speaking from scripture.very obvious and easy to find scripture, just look at isiah and daniel for example.So therefore the only way I can interpret your accusation is you calling the scriptures a false prophet.which is ridiculous

 

[crooner]

I have a question about prophacy. Why were the Jews given Isreal back in 1949 when they continue to deny Jesus. Most jews are secular and probably deny Their God. If some prophacy is conditional why did they get their land back as they continue to deny the Lord. Is it because God plans to eventually re coup them Himself in the very last days? I thought we all became jews after the cross. I have always had some doubts about the fig tree parable.

 

[Wakka]

Because God has a plan. And He's fulfilling His prophesies.

 

[crooner]

I have heard you give much better answers than that! lolololOf course he has plans, but you have to agree that some prophacys are and were conditional. Why do you think Isreal recieved this prophacy fulfillment when before and after they were given it back still reject Jesus. I just wonder sometimes if we put to much interest on physical Isreal. Just a thought. I am a supporte of Isreal as you are butwonder if we have canned the explanation on this.

 

[BernieEOD]

(crooner;30362)
I have a question about prophacy. Why were the Jews given Isreal back in 1949 when they continue to deny Jesus. Most jews are secular and probably deny Their God. If some prophacy is conditional why did they get their land back as they continue to deny the Lord. Is it because God plans to eventually re coup them Himself in the very last days? I thought we all became jews after the cross. I have always had some doubts about the fig tree parable.
First, they not only deny Jesus but even worse, most Isrealis openly admit they are Jewish by blood and not by faith. I have always tried to connect with a Jew via the OT and learn very quickly that the average Jew is as far rome Moses as he or she is from Jesus. Weather the issue is on abortion, homesexuality, evolution, the sanctity of marriage, you name it, most Jews take the liberal view. When I try to point out what the OT (AKA their own Torah) says about these things, the ususal response from the average Jew is "Well, you have to understand! Moses didn't have access to modern science and enlightenment!"As far as the Jews retaking Isreal in 1948. First, it was prophesised that it would happen. Like Abraham with Hagar, it is another case of humans trying to bring about God's plan on thier timetable and their terms. (The very existence of the Arabs comes from Abraham's sin of trying to use Hagar to do God's plan his way). Like Abraham before them, the Jews are trying to do things on their own streanth and their own terms (Don't we all?). Instead of relying on God's power, they rely on western woner weapons. Instead of faith in the Lord, they have faith in western democracy. Prophecy also states that they will reap the consequences of this mistake and when they do, the scale shall finally fal from their eyes and they will realise that the one their father pierced was indeen the Messiah. That will be a sight to behold! The most faithfull of all Jews believing in all their heart, just as they believe in Moses, David, and Solomon that Christ was the Messiah and that they mistakenly delivers him to be crucfied. The screams of sorrow and repentence will probably shake the earth, they will probably be digging holes in the ground in front of them so they could bow a little lower. When that happens, it will truly begin the final battle.

 

[BernieEOD]

(Letsgofishing;30358)
What false prophets??Kriss is speaking from scripture.very obvious and easy to find scripture, just look at isiah and daniel for example.So therefore the only way I can interpret your accusation is you calling the scriptures a false prophet.which is ridiculous
If you preach that the Jews can do no wrong and are entitled to the land, that is false teaching. You and Kris would have been at odds with Jerimiah who commanded the Jews to surrender to Babylon, Michah who warned King Ahab and King Jehosophat that God was NOT on thier side as they went to war to retake land which was promised to them (Sound familiar?). In this case, 300 false prophets assured Ahab in almost the same manner you are currently trying to assure Isreal. Micah prophisised to Ahab "If you return safely then I an not a man of God" Guess what happened.To claim that God will punish Bush for just this one thing is incomplete at best. Embracing this current gospel of bombs & bullets in order to "Liberate the world" into western godless decadence is no less of a sin than what you claim Bush is doing to Isreal.

 

[Christina]

Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. God says different he say both will be together under Christ and he is wiser than you