Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[Behold]

I've been cleansed of all unrighteousness and I'm free from sin.

You posted that you are "Free from Sin"......

So, i asked you 4x now...... why you confess sin, if you are "Free from Sin".

Do you want to answer, or do you want me to ask you a few more times ??? @Big Boy Johnson

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I've been cleansed of all unrighteousness and I'm free from sin.

Feel free to wallah around in sin if you'd like, I'll remain free from it.

It's obvious that you are a cherry picker who does not accept everything the Lord says, and that's too bad for you.

Romans 8:1-4
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Behold]

It's obvious that you are a cherry picker

You said you are "FREE from SIN"...........

So, i asked you why you confess sin, if you are "free from it"?

See, you have an ignorant type of Self Righteousnes, which tried to prove that if a person is not doing Righteousness, then they are not Righteous.
So, i showed you that when you "confess sin"....... you were not "doing Rightousness". or you would not be confessing sin.

You have no answer, because you are owned by your own self righteousness..... @Big Boy Johnson

That on you, ... pretender.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Already answered, what other false doctrine are you going to try to put on me so I can promptly ignore it!

 

[Behold]

Already answered, what other false doctrine are you going to try to put on me so I can promptly ignore it!

Now you're being dishonest.
Thought so.

-next.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

See, you have an ignorant type of Self Righteousnes, which tried to prove that if a person is not doing Righteousness, then they are not Righteous.

So your claim is one is still righteous before God when they are in sin. That's too bad for you!

It was the Lord Jesus speaking thru the Apostle John that said:

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Now you just got caught with your britches down claiming God's Word is lying.

I highly recommend that you REPENT of this sin at your very earliest convenience!

 

[Grailhunter]

Obviously it is seeing each of the commandments are present in the New Covenant and you claim they are not even after I posted them numerous times.

God did not call these the Ten Commandments and there cannot call these commandments they are summaries of actual Mosaic Law, ten of 613 Mosaic Laws. And they represent the basic morality of the Mosaic Laws.

 

[Grailhunter]

So your story is Christians under the New Covenant can lie, murder, steal, etc etc and it's all good?

How many times have I told you that it makes sense that the basic morals carrried over to the New Covenant.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Sure they are. You should pay better attention!

Each individual commandment is in the New Testament as a commandment under the Law of Christ which is what New Coven ant believers live under.

Here ya go, read it and repent!

10 Commandments Repeated in the New Testament

#1 - Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (Matthew 22:37)
#2 - Dear children, keep yourself from idols (1 John 5:21)
#3 - Do not swear – not by heaven or by earth or by anything else (James 5:12)
#4 - No Saturday sabbath commanded in the New Testament (sorry bout that SDA peoples!)
#5 - Honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21)
#6 - You shall not murder (Matthew 19:16-21)
#7 - You shall not commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21)
#8 - You shall not steal (Matthew 19:16-21)
#9 - You shall not give false testimony (Matthew 19:16-21, Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8)
#10 - Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry (Colossians 3:5)

Concerning the sabbath in the New Testament, Jesus said come unto me and I'll give you rest (Matthew 11:28-30) so abiding In Christ is the rest we are called to in the New Testament

o.k. Big Boy, lets get serious;

Verses Where Jesus Speaks About the Sabbath (NKJV)​

Below are the main passages in the New Testament where Jesus directly speaks about the Sabbath, as recorded in the New King James Version (NKJV):
Matthew 12:1-12

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”
But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Mark 2:27-28

And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Luke 6:3-5

But Jesus answering them said, “Have you not even read this, what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he went into the house of God, took and ate the showbread, and also gave some to those with him, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat?” And He said to them, “The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Luke 13:15-16

The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?”

John 5:17

But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”

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These passages represent the direct statements and teachings of Jesus regarding the Sabbath in the NKJV. They show Jesus affirming the purpose of the Sabbath, His authority over it, and the principle of mercy and necessity over ritual observance. to say it was never mentioned in the new testament or say it is not a command is not true. Like I mentioned, the ten commandments as God himself did say, are the Covenant, are a set of Ten and come as a whole. To break one is to break them all!

 

[Grailhunter]

o.k. Big Boy, lets get serious;

Verses Where Jesus Speaks About the Sabbath (NKJV)​

Below are the main passages in the New Testament where Jesus directly speaks about the Sabbath, as recorded in the New King James Version (NKJV):
Matthew 12:1-12

Mark 2:27-28

Luke 6:3-5

Luke 13:15-16

John 5:17

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These passages represent the direct statements and teachings of Jesus regarding the Sabbath in the NKJV. They show Jesus affirming the purpose of the Sabbath, His authority over it, and the principle of mercy and necessity over ritual observance. to say it was never mentioned in the new testament or say it is not a command is not true. Like I mentioned, the ten commandments as God himself did say, are the Covenant, are a set of Ten and come as a whole. To break one is to break them all!

People that are not Theologians and or Historians have a tendency to get confused about time periods and difference of what is going on in different time periods.

Yeshua’s ministry occurs in the Old Covenant and He and most of the people he talked to observed the Mosaic Law. And their discussion sometimes were about the Mosaic Law. Of course the Temple was the center of their religion and would be mentioned in their conversations.

During the time period of the Apostle Paul’s ministry the Gentile Christians were not even allowed in the Temple. With the Romans persecuting Christian worship services went into hiding assembling in catacombs the wilderness and in private homes. And the day of worship shifted to the day of Christ’s resurrection the Lord’s day.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God did not call these the Ten Commandments

One must focus on God's intent regardless of what you would like to see them called or not called.

These are not suggestions but are actually commandments in the New Covenant and there's no way around it that under the New Covenant it's a sin to: Have other gods before the Lord (Matthew 22:37), to engage in idolatry (1 John 5:21), engage in swearing (James 5:12), to not abide in Christ where our rest is found (Matthew 11:28-30), to not honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21), to do murder (Matthew 19:16-21), to commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21), to steal (Matthew 19:16-21), to be a liar (Matthew 19:16-21, Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8), to covet (Colossians 3:5)

So people can play semantics all they want, but these New Testament instructions to New Covenant believers are commandments and not suggestions and some seem to think.

If it makes you feel better, maybe call them the 10 Instructions or the 10 Directives

Either way, these are things the Lord has commanded New Covenant believers to observe and it's sin to ignore them

How many times have I told you that it makes sense that the basic morals carrried over to the New Covenant.

How many times do I have to tell you these are not suggestions but are actually commandments in the New Covenant???

o.k. Big Boy, lets get serious - Verses Where Jesus Speaks About the Sabbath

You totally forgot to show where Jesus or His Apostles gave instructions to New Covenant believers to observe Saturday Sabbath

You totally forgot to show where Jesus or His Apostles spoke of penalties for New Covenant believers who do not observe Saturday Sabbath

Better luck next time pal!

People that are not Theologians and or Historians have a tendency to get confused about time periods and difference of what is going on in different time periods.

Yeshua’s ministry occurs in the Old Covenant and He and most of the people he talked to observed the Mosaic Law. And their discussion sometimes were about the Mosaic Law. Of course the Temple was the center of their religion and would be mentioned in their conversations.

During the time period of the Apostle Paul’s ministry the Gentile Christians were not even allowed in the Temple. With the Romans persecuting Christian worship services went into hiding assembling in catacombs the wilderness and in private homes. And the day of worship shifted to the day of Christ’s resurrection the Lord’s day.

You in trouble now!

The hebrew roots zealots and the SDA zealots are coming for you bro!

 

[LoveYeshua]

One must focus on God's intent regardless of what you would like to see them called or not called.

These are not suggestions but are actually commandments in the New Covenant and there's no way around it that under the New Covenant it's a sin to: Have other gods before the Lord (Matthew 22:37), to engage in idolatry (1 John 5:21), engage in swearing (James 5:12), to not abide in Christ where our rest is found (Matthew 11:28-30), to not honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21), to do murder (Matthew 19:16-21), to commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21), to steal (Matthew 19:16-21), to be a liar (Matthew 19:16-21, Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8), to covet (Colossians 3:5)

So people can play semantics all they want, but these New Testament instructions to New Covenant believers are commandments and not suggestions and some seem to think.

If it makes you feel better, maybe call them the 10 Instructions or the 10 Directives

Either way, these are things the Lord has commanded New Covenant believers to observe and it's sin to ignore them





How many times do I have to tell you these are not suggestions but are actually commandments in the New Covenant???






You totally forgot to show where Jesus or His Apostles gave instructions to New Covenant believers to observe Saturday Sabbath

You totally forgot to show where Jesus or His Apostles spoke of penalties for New Covenant believers who do not observe Saturday Sabbath

Better luck next time pal!






You in trouble now!

The hebrew roots zealots and the SDA zealots are coming for you bro!

It is your choice.

 

[Grailhunter]

One must focus on God's intent regardless of what you would like to see them called or not called.

These are not suggestions but are actually commandments in the New Covenant and there's no way around it that under the New Covenant it's a sin to: Have other gods before the Lord (Matthew 22:37), to engage in idolatry (1 John 5:21), engage in swearing (James 5:12), to not abide in Christ where our rest is found (Matthew 11:28-30), to not honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21), to do murder (Matthew 19:16-21), to commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21), to steal (Matthew 19:16-21), to be a liar (Matthew 19:16-21, Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8), to covet (Colossians 3:5)

So people can play semantics all they want, but these New Testament instructions to New Covenant believers are commandments and not suggestions and some seem to think.

If it makes you feel better, maybe call them the 10 Instructions or the 10 Directives

Either way, these are things the Lord has commanded New Covenant believers to observe and it's sin to ignore them

How many times do I have to say it….of course the basic morals came forward. How could they not?
But we do not practice polygamy or concubage or sell our daughter into concubinage. Or kill women that were raped.
But there are only two commandments in the New Testaments.
1. God
2 Love one another

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

It is your choice.

Yes, and I'll choose to obey the instructions the Lord has given in the New Covenant.

They are in fact commandments, not suggestions

How many times do I have to say it….of course the basic morals came forward. How could they not?

Say whatever how ever many times you would like to say whatever - They are in fact commandments, not suggestions

But there are only two commandments in the New Testaments.
1. God
2 Love one another

If we following the instructions given in the New Covenant, we will be fulfilling the commands to love God and love one another.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus did not teach that His commandments were optional in the New Covenant. He called people to follow, obey, and build their lives upon His words. The commandments He gave were not only consistent with the Father's will, but they fulfilled and deepened the meaning of the Law. He said they remain until heaven and earth pass away, and warned that breaking them or teaching others to do so would bring judgment. He made clear that love for Him is shown by obedience, not only belief. His disciples confirmed this after His resurrection, saying that knowing God means keeping His commandments, and that those who don’t obey are deceiving themselves. Therefore, the idea that Jesus’ teachings are only moral guidance without authority is not supported by Scripture. In the New Covenant, the commandments of Jesus are not less than law—they are the living expression of God’s will, written not on stone but on the heart, and they remain binding for all who follow Him.

Jesus clearly said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." (Matthew 5:17–18). Heaven and earth are still here, so the law is still in place. Jesus also warned, "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19). He did not treat His teachings as suggestions but as commandments to obey.

When a man asked Him how to receive eternal life, Jesus replied, "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17). He then listed some of the Ten Commandments, showing they still mattered. He also gave a new commandment: "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you." (John 13:34). But even this was not separate from the Law—it deepened it.

Jesus didn’t separate love from the commandments. He said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." (John 14:15). And again, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me." (John 14:21). So, love is proven by obedience, not by agreeing with His teachings but by living them.

After Jesus rose from the dead, He told the apostles to teach everything He had commanded them: "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you." (Matthew 28:20). Not just believe them—but observe them. The apostles followed this. John wrote, "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." (1 John 2:3). He added, "He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4). These are strong words showing that Jesus’ teachings are not just noble ideas, but required ways of life.
Peter also said, "We ought to obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29), after being commanded to stop teaching in Jesus’ name. So even under the New Covenant, obedience to God's word was a must, not an option.

In the end, Jesus warned, "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." (Matthew 7:21). Hearing His words is not enough. He continued, "Whoever hears these sayings of Mine and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock." (Matthew 7:24).

So His words are not just teachings to admire—they are the foundation of our lives.

 

[LoveYeshua]

People that are not Theologians and or Historians have a tendency to get confused about time periods and difference of what is going on in different time periods.

Yeshua’s ministry occurs in the Old Covenant and He and most of the people he talked to observed the Mosaic Law. And their discussion sometimes were about the Mosaic Law. Of course the Temple was the center of their religion and would be mentioned in their conversations.

During the time period of the Apostle Paul’s ministry the Gentile Christians were not even allowed in the Temple. With the Romans persecuting Christian worship services went into hiding assembling in catacombs the wilderness and in private homes. And the day of worship shifted to the day of Christ’s resurrection the Lord’s day.

I wish I could reply but we do not seem to agree much on anything. what I see, Jesus started the New covenant, can we agree on this?

 

[Grailhunter]

I wish I could reply but we do not seem to agree much on anything. what I see, Jesus started the New covenant, can we agree on this?

His death on the cross started the New Covenant.

 

[Traveler]

Just because we are under grace it does not mean we can just go and sin all the time, that is a lie from hell. Under grace means that Christ paid the price for our sin so we do not have to go through the whole animal sacrifice thing each year. The condition is that Christ becomes our king and we still submit to Gods authority.