Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[Davy]

I'm not "in the flesh"

Do just one little mess up in future sin, and yes you are, right back to being under the law.

You apparently have not studied your Bible enough to understand the difference between our being here in a flesh body vs. our hope for the future glory to come. Apostle Paul often spoke in terms of the glory that is still yet to come, and many mistake that as already having arrived, when he never taught that it did, lot of brethren just 'assume' that. And here's an example of Apostle Paul showing that future glory has not yet arrived today...

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
KJV

Like Apostle Paul taught in Galatians 3, walk by The Spirit and one will not be doing anything that is against God's laws.

But walk by our 'flesh', and not by The Spirit, then one brings theirself back under God's laws. Do we see some Christian brethren sometime falling to acts of following their flesh today. YES! it is STILL going on today! And it will continue... to happen unto the day of Christ's future coming when we all will put off these houses of flesh.

What Paul said above to Timothy confirms that many of God's laws are STILL in effect for the unrighteous and ungodly and sinner. But your mind apparently dwells in some illiterate preacher's la,la land instead of the written Word of God. The doctrine of 'once saved, always saved' is a doctrine from man, not from God.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Do just one little mess up in future sin, and yes you are, right back to being under the law.

IF I were to sin, I'll use the Lord's prescription to be cleansed of ALL unrighteousness and remain in Christ NOT being under the law of sin and death

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Notice the term "cleansed of ALL unrighteousness"???

You apparently have not studied your Bible enough to understand the difference between our being here in a flesh body vs. our hope for the future glory to come.

You apparently have not studied your Bible enough to understand that Christians are to live as being be crucified with Christ allowing the Holy Spirit to live in them

Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Romans 8:9-11
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Only those that allow the Lord to live in them leading them are actual Christians:

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Apostle Paul often spoke in terms of the glory that is still yet to come

I never said I had received my glorified body as of yet.

I did say I yield my life to the Holy Spirit allowing Him to live in me and leads me in all aspects of my life.

It's called being Spirit filled which is something actual Christians walk in. You should get Spirit filled!

The doctrine of 'once saved, always saved' is a doctrine from man, not from God.

You false doctrine continues as you apparently claim Christians can walk after the flesh and still be saved.

That's doctrines of devils you are walking in son!

You should get back to the whole counsel of God and repent of your false doctrines as quickly as possible!

 

[quietthinker]

Well the greasy gracers to go around telling everyone that it's not possible to lose your salvation and all your future sins are already forgiven even before you commit them.

So why wouldn't people think Christians can live in sin and still be saved?

If what the greasy grace teachers is true then it doesn't matter if Christians live in sin cause it's all good right?

Would you call this 'greasy grace'?

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[Big Boy Johnson]

Would you call this 'greasy grace'?

If it does not teach repentance from sin and walking after the Spirit in obedience to the Lord, then yeah it's greasy grace

The greasy gracers teach that being obedient to the Lord is works based salvation where someone is trying to "earn" their salvation and some even go as far as saying confessing one's sins is a slap in the face of God because all our future sins are already forgiven even before sins are even committed which is a lie and is mocking God (see Gal 6:7,8)

This is something that cam from the gnostics who believed the spirit of man is not responsible for whatever sin the body is doing which is not biblical and leads many to believe they can go ahead and live in sin and still be saved.

They are very mistaken. People like Joseph Prince, Andrew Womack, Charles Stanley, Ed Young just to name a few are some of the false teachers out there teaching greasy grace that's leading people to hell as they turn the grace of the Lord in to lasciviousness

They scoff at the definition the Lord gives in His Word concerning what biblical grace actually is:

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

 

[quietthinker]

If it does not teach repentance from sin and walking after the Spirit in obedience to the Lord, then yeah it's greasy grace

The greasy gracers teach that being obedient to the Lord is works based salvation where someone is trying to "earn" their salvation and some even go as far as saying confessing one's sins is a slap in the face of God because all our future sins are already forgiven even before sins are even committed which is a lie and is mocking God (see Gal 6:7,8)

This is something that cam from the gnostics who believed the spirit of man is not responsible for whatever sin the body is doing which is not biblical and leads many to believe they can go ahead and live in sin and still be saved.

They are very mistaken. People like Joseph Prince, Andrew Womack, Charles Stanley, Ed Young just to name a few are some of the false teachers out there teaching greasy grace that's leading people to hell as they turn the grace of the Lord in to lasciviousness

They scoff at the definition the Lord gives in His Word concerning what biblical grace actually is:

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Presumption is a cruel monster never satiated.
You might watch the presentation!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Presumption is a cruel monster never satiated.

Well if you think you can live in sin and the Lord is all good with that, then knock yourself out!

God's Word clearly says God is not mocked, if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption. (Gal 6:7.8)

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God.

So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

You might watch the presentation!

You might want to start accepting ALL that the Lord says in His Word and stop listening to false teachers.

Just a little friendly advice!

 

[quietthinker]

Well if you think you can live in sin and the Lord is all good with that, then knock yourself out!

God's Word clearly says God is not mocked, if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption. (Gal 6:7.8)

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God.

So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.






You might want to start accepting ALL that the Lord says in His Word and stop listening to false teachers.

Just a little friendly advice!

You witness to yourself BBJ as one self absorbed, opinionated and unable to hear anything but your echo.

 

[Space_Karen]

Seeing others make false accusations on social media:

 

[Davy]

IF I were to sin, I'll use the Lord's prescription to be cleansed of ALL unrighteousness and remain in Christ NOT being under the law of sin and death

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Notice the term "cleansed of ALL unrighteousness"???

And doing that after having caught yourself in a future sin is what those in Christ are to do.

But you are one of the few willing to admit the need to do that repentance and asking forgiveness, because many today, especially those under the Hyper-Grace flag of men's doctrines, think they never have future need of repenting for anything at all, even if they do sin. They are being taught everything is 'automatically' forgiven, and was covered by Christ on His cross. Some of those churches no longer hold communion with Christ.

Did you know Apostle Paul taught against that Hyper-Grace thinking? See here...

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

That is why the prayer Jesus Himself gave us to pray per Luke 11 includes the asking of forgiveness of sin, and even forgiveness of those who sin against us. It's about a daily walk with Lord Jesus Christ, not a thanks, I'll see ya' attitude.

You apparently have not studied your Bible enough to understand that Christians are to live as being be crucified with Christ allowing the Holy Spirit to live in them

Oh, you shouldn't have said that insult. It actually shows how little studied you are.

As I said before, thinking of what Lord Jesus did for us on His cross in the spiritual sense like Apostle Paul taught, like being crucified 'with' Christ, that is a METAPHOR for the spiritual change that is supposed to happen to us when we believe on Jesus and are baptized, you know, the "born again" idea Jesus taught in John 3. Lord Jesus taught that was to our 'spirit' though, by The Spirit, and not to our flesh. The deception you have run into from men's doctrines is by trying to apply to your FLESH. There is NO Salvation of the flesh. Our flesh is not what is saved. But that obviously is the area your mind is thinking of.

Do you believe men's doctrine of 'soul sleep'? and that the resurrection means to another new flesh body?

I never said I had received my glorified body as of yet.

I did say I yield my life to the Holy Spirit allowing Him to live in me and leads me in all aspects of my life.

It's called being Spirit filled which is something actual Christians walk in. You should get Spirit filled!

Oh, I well know that term "Spirit filled", it's a favorite of many preachers, especially the Pentecostal types who try to claim that if you don't speak in a gibberish tongue, then you don't have proof of being filled by The Holy Spirit. Those preachers don't yet know just what the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost is for at the very end of this world. They show their ignorance by trying to making speaking gibberish into a social club requirement, when the reality of Acts 2 is that the 'cloven tongue' manifested in KNOWN languages and even dialects of the different peoples that were present. Everyone there heard in their own language and dialect, not in some gibberish.

Have you really studied Galatians 3 that I mentioned, which is about walking in The Spirit, meaning The Holy Spirit. If you had, you would not have been making FALSE STATEMENTS and INSULTS against me for not knowing about The Holy Spirit. But I forgive your Biblical ignorance, as I know that's the attitude of the 'social club' your preachers have taught you to act out.

You false doctrine continues as you apparently claim Christians can walk after the flesh and still be saved.

What false doctrine have I said to you? NONE. I only teach what is covered in God's Word. You ought to study all of it instead of just a small corner like your preachers have wrongly taught you at your 'social club'.

That's doctrines of devils you are walking in son!

You should get back to the whole counsel of God and repent of your false doctrines as quickly as possible!

Again, your words of vanity only show how deceived you are away from God's written Word. You can't find any actual Bible Scripture against what I've been saying, so your cowardly attitude you learned from your fake preachers has to come out instead. I've seen that attitude from the deceived on man's FALSE Pre-trib Rapture Theory a lot. It's a natural byproduct of that false school on doctrines from the devil.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You witness to yourself BBJ as one self absorbed, opinionated and unable to hear anything but your echo.

And this is different from you exactly how???

You're one of those that gets all upset anytime others don't bow down to your viewpoint which is the mark of those having a god complex.

You have a right to your opinion as do I . . . . If you don't like what I post, please don't read my posts
and move on to read some other post. When the future gets here, we'll all see where everyone lands!

And doing that after having caught yourself in a future sin is what those in Christ are to do.

You gotta a time machine or something?

Oh, you shouldn't have said that insult.

Those with the god complex always get upset anytime someone does not agree with them.

Oh, I well know that term "Spirit filled"

I'm referring to being led by the Holy Spirit in ALL aspects of one's life.

But feel free to disrespect all the gifts of the Spirit as you won't be bothered with any of them.

I only teach what is covered in God's Word.

Which so called OSAS is not.

so your cowardly attitude

Let me know if you need my address so you can swing by my crib and see if I'm cowardly or not!

Your god complex is quite comical and a source of lasting laughter seeing you will never give it up.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Here is a clear and simple text that shows how Jesus and His 11 disciples taught each of the Ten Commandments, .This shows that the moral law of God was not abolished but confirmed and taught by Christ and those He trained.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me
Exodus 20:3​

Jesus said: “You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.” (Matthew 4:10)
John said: “Little children, keep yourselves from idols.” (1 John 5:21)
Jesus reminded Satan that only God deserves worship. He always pointed to His Father and taught loyalty to Him alone. John warned believers not to follow idols—anything that replaces God in the heart.

2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image
Exodus 20:4–6
​

Jesus said: “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)
Peter and John : Though they did not write directly about carved images, they destroyed the power of idolatry through their preaching (Acts 3:19; Acts 14:15).
Jesus taught that true worship is spiritual, not based on statues or images. His disciples turned people away from idols toward the living God, as seen in the early church’s rejection of idols.

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
Exodus 20:7
​

Jesus said: “But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.” (Matthew 12:36)
James said: “Do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’” (James 5:12)
Jesus warned against careless or disrespectful speech, and James taught the same. Taking God’s name in vain includes swearing falsely or speaking of God lightly, which both Jesus and James clearly condemned.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy
Exodus 20:8–11
​

Jesus said: “The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” (Matthew 12:8)
“It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” (Matthew 12:12)
The disciples did After Jesus' death: “they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.” (Luke 23:56)
Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught its proper use—doing good, healing, and honoring God. The disciples, even after His resurrection, still rested on the Sabbath, showing its continued place in their faith.

5. Honor your father and your mother
Exodus 20:12
​

Jesus said: “Honor your father and your mother,” and, “He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.” (Matthew 15:4)
Jesus rebuked those who claimed to follow God but dishonored their parents. He upheld this commandment strongly. The early disciples lived in a way that honored relationships and family.

6. "You shall not murder"
Exodus 20:13
​

Jesus said: “You have heard...‘You shall not murder,’ and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment. But I say... whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.” (Matthew 5:21–22)
John said: “Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” (1 John 3:15)
Jesus went beyond the outward act and taught that hatred in the heart is the root of murder. John confirmed this teaching. God's law speaks to the heart, not just actions.

7. You shall not commit adultery
Exodus 20:14
​

Jesus said: “You have heard...‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say...whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matthew 5:27–28)
James said: “Each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires... Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin.” (James 1:14–15)
Jesus taught purity of heart and mind, not just physical faithfulness. James warned how temptation leads to sin. Both showed that obedience begins inside.

8. You shall not steal
Exodus 20:15
​

Jesus said (through John the Baptist): “Let him who has two tunics give to him who has none... Do not intimidate anyone or accuse falsely, and be content with your wages.” (Luke 3:11–14)
Peter said to Ananias: “Why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?” (Acts 5:3)
Though Jesus did not directly quote the command, He taught generosity and honesty. Peter exposed theft and lying in the early church. True followers do not steal, but give.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
Exodus 20:16
​

Jesus said: “Let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.” (Matthew 5:37)
“Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks... by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:34–37)
James said: “Do not speak evil of one another, brethren.” (James 4:11)
Jesus and His disciples warned against false words, gossip, and dishonesty. They taught truthfulness as a mark of God's children.

10. You shall not covet
Exodus 20:17
​

Jesus said: “Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses.” (Luke 12:15)
John said: “Do not love the world or the things in the world... the lust of the eyes... is not of the Father.” (1 John 2:15–16)
Jesus warned that desire for more can lead to ruin. John echoed this, calling believers to love God, not worldly things. The battle against coveting is a battle for the heart’s loyalty.

Jesus and His chosen disciples upheld and taught all Ten Commandments—not as legal rules, but as the way of life for those who love God. The commandments were not abolished but fulfilled and made deeper in meaning. Jesus showed they reach into the heart, and His disciples continued this teaching after His resurrection.

 

[Jesus Wept]

I absolutely love Gods law.

What I love even more, is that that same
law was nailed to the cross with Christ...

...and written upon my heart

 

[pandaflower]

I think they do. After repeating the nine commandments in his sermon, Jesus condensed his 10 Commandments into two. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind. Love your neighbor as yourself.
Upon those two all the laws of God and the writings of the prophets hang.

 

[CTK]

Many Christians today have heard the phrase, “the law was nailed to the cross,” and some have interpreted that to mean that the Ten Commandments are no longer binding. But if we pause and think about that carefully—especially in light of Jesus’ own words—it raises some serious questions.



Matthew 5:17–18 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”

Jesus makes it clear: He didn’t come to abolish God’s law. He came to fulfill its purpose—not to erase it. And since “heaven and earth” are still here, it follows that the core moral principles of God’s law still stand. Remember, these are God's laws and Jesus would never do or say anything that was not in accord with His Father.



When Paul writes in Colossians 2:14 that the “handwriting of ordinances” was nailed to the cross, he’s referring not to the Ten Commandments, but to the ceremonial laws—the sacrificial system, ritual washings, temple customs, and laws of separation that pointed to the Messiah and were shadows of things to come (Colossians 2:17). These were the laws given to Israel to maintain purity and worship before the cross. The Ten Commandments, however, are different. They’re not ceremonial. They’re moral, eternal, and written by the finger of God (Exodus 31:18).



This is the question worth asking: If the Ten Commandments were “nailed to the cross,” which ones are people actually suggesting are no longer relevant?

No other gods – Still true.

No idols – Still applies.

Do not take God’s name in vain – Still honored.

Remember the Sabbath – This is often debated, but it’s the only one many try to reinterpret or ignore.

Honor your father and mother – Still taught.

Do not murder – Of course still binding.

Do not commit adultery – Definitely still applies.

Do not steal – Still a sin.

Do not bear false witness – Still wrong.

Do not covet – Still a commandment of the heart.

So really, the only commandment people tend to wrestle with is the Sabbath—which says more about modern discomfort with rest and worship than it does about God’s law being outdated.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Here is a clear and simple text that shows how Jesus and His 11 disciples taught each of the Ten Commandments

Jesus had 12 disciples ya know.

He even gave Judas the Holy Spirit and Judas was out doing miracles with all the other disciples.

I absolutely love Gods law.

Which one?

The law of Moses which scripture tells us Jesus took away and abolished?

Or the Law of Christ which Jesus established starting with His earthly ministry?

A lot of folk don't seem to know under the New Testament we are to live under the Law of Christ.

What I love even more, is that that same
law was nailed to the cross with Christ...

...and written upon my heart

Which one?

The law of Moses which scripture tells us Jesus took away and abolished?

Or the Law of Christ which Jesus established starting with His earthly ministry?

A lot of folk don't seem to know under the New Testament we are to live under the Law of Christ.

ones are people actually suggesting are no longer relevant?

The ones they are currently violating

Most folks seem to subscribe to the false doctrines of OSAS so they'll tell ya it's all good man, all our future sins are automatically forgiven even before they are ever even committed so Christians are free to live in sin all that want and they are still saved.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Many Christians today have heard the phrase, “the law was nailed to the cross,” and some have interpreted that to mean that the Ten Commandments are no longer binding. But if we pause and think about that carefully—especially in light of Jesus’ own words—it raises some serious questions.



Matthew 5:17–18 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”

Jesus makes it clear: He didn’t come to abolish God’s law. He came to fulfill its purpose—not to erase it. And since “heaven and earth” are still here, it follows that the core moral principles of God’s law still stand. Remember, these are God's laws and Jesus would never do or say anything that was not in accord with His Father.



When Paul writes in Colossians 2:14 that the “handwriting of ordinances” was nailed to the cross, he’s referring not to the Ten Commandments, but to the ceremonial laws—the sacrificial system, ritual washings, temple customs, and laws of separation that pointed to the Messiah and were shadows of things to come (Colossians 2:17). These were the laws given to Israel to maintain purity and worship before the cross. The Ten Commandments, however, are different. They’re not ceremonial. They’re moral, eternal, and written by the finger of God (Exodus 31:18).



This is the question worth asking: If the Ten Commandments were “nailed to the cross,” which ones are people actually suggesting are no longer relevant?

No other gods – Still true.

No idols – Still applies.

Do not take God’s name in vain – Still honored.

Remember the Sabbath – This is often debated, but it’s the only one many try to reinterpret or ignore.

Honor your father and mother – Still taught.

Do not murder – Of course still binding.

Do not commit adultery – Definitely still applies.

Do not steal – Still a sin.

Do not bear false witness – Still wrong.

Do not covet – Still a commandment of the heart.

So really, the only commandment people tend to wrestle with is the Sabbath—which says more about modern discomfort with rest and worship than it does about God’s law being outdated.

Absolutely right!

 

[Rockerduck]

Most folks seem to subscribe to the false doctrines of OSAS so they'll tell ya it's all good man, all our future sins are automatically forgiven even before they are ever even committed so Christians are free to live in sin all that want and they are still saved.

OSAS is not false doctrine, only false Christians who continue sinning, meaning they are not. They were not of us..

 

[CTK]

OSAS is not false doctrine, only false Christians who continue sinning, meaning they are not. They were not of us..

Please consider:

2 Timothy 4:10 – “for Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and has departed for Thessalonica…”

Demas was a companion of the Apostle Paul (see also Philemon 1:24 and Colossians 4:14). He worked in ministry but later abandoned Paul and, seemingly, the faith. His departure is often used as a biblical case of someone who once believed and walked away.


John 17:12 – Jesus says, “None of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.”

Judas walked with Jesus, was chosen as a disciple, performed miracles (Matthew 10:1–8), and yet ultimately betrayed Jesus. Opinions differ: some say Judas was never truly saved, others see him as someone who fell from a place of belief and closeness to Jesus.


Charles Templeton (20th Century Evangelist)

Templeton was a powerful preacher and partner in ministry with Billy Graham. After years of preaching, he rejected Christianity and became agnostic. He wrote a book - Farewell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith


Bart Ehrman (Scholar of the New Testament)

Ehrman once identified as an evangelical Christian and studied at Moody Bible Institute. He later abandoned his faith and became a prominent agnostic critic of the Bible. He wrote - Misquoting Jesus, Jesus, Interrupted, and others. Ehrman’s departure is based on perceived inconsistencies in the Bible and theological dilemmas, particularly the problem of suffering.


1 Timothy 1:19–20 – “having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander…”

Hymenaeus and Alexander. Paul says their faith was “shipwrecked,” suggesting they were once walking in the truth but later rejected it.


Hebrews 6:4–6: “It is impossible for those who were once enlightened… and then have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.”


Luke 8:13: Parable of the sower — some “believe for a while, but in time of testing they fall away.”


1 John 2:19: “They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us…”


2 Peter 2:20–22 "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first."


Hebrews 10:26–27 "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment…"


Hebrews 6:4–6 "For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened… and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God…"


Matthew 12:43–45 “Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself... and the last state of that person is worse than the first.”

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

OSAS is not false doctrine

Actually it is.

Those that don't accept the whole counsel of God are the only ones claiming it's not.

One must reject portions of scripture to believe OSAS

Christians who continue sinning, meaning they are not. They were not of us..

So you claim since getting born again you have no sinned at least once?

If you have sinned since getting born again then you just fell in to your own definition of never been a Christian

Please consider

The OSAS folks won't consider anything you tell them

They are reprobate concerning salvation and will not accept the whole counsel of God.

They work long and hard to explain away or otherwise ignore anything that does not agree with their cult beliefs.

OSAS came out of calvinism so we know the dark spirits of deception that are driving it.

 

[Rockerduck]

Actually it is.

Those that don't accept the whole counsel of God are the only ones claiming it's not.

One must reject portions of scripture to believe OSAS






So you claim since getting born again you have no sinned at least once?

If you have sinned since getting born again then you just fell in to your own definition of never been a Christian






The OSAS folks won't consider anything you tell them

They are reprobate concerning salvation and will not accept the whole counsel of God.

They work long and hard to explain away or otherwise ignore anything that does not agree with their cult beliefs.

OSAS came out of calvinism so we know the dark spirits of deception that are driving it.

Christians aren't sinless, they just sin less. Regardless of what you claim or say. I was chosen by God over 40 yrs ago, and never has He left me. My name is written in His book of life from the foundation of the world. Matthew 25:34