Do you believe in biological evolution?

[Grailhunter]

I have already pointed out that most of the building areas are buried underground, but there are also very few that have never been buried underground.
This is similar to the findings of the theory of evolution. There are still very few species that have survived to this day without evolving.

They survived but they evolved.

 

[St. SteVen]

It seems you still don’t understand how a city where people live every day can suddenly have the foundations of its buildings buried underground one day. Isn’t this similar to the theory of evolution in a way?

Alright, it appears you haven’t carefully considered the nature of things in this world.

@St. SteVen How do you think about it? Pls read it from #191

I wonder if someone could explain clearly why there are many historical ruins of previous cities buried beneath a city that has always existed among humans, and then ask me if you believe in the theory of evolution?

Evidently they built on top of the previous ruins.
It probably made a firm foundational bed for construction. ???

 

[soberxp]

They survived but they evolved.

Evidently they built on top of the previous ruins.
It probably made a firm foundational bed for construction. ???

The buildings on the ruins have evolved, while the ancient buildings still remaining on the surface have not...
However, science still cannot explain clearly how the previous generation of buildings were buried beneath the surface.

 

[St. SteVen]

The buildings on the ruins have evolved, while the ancient buildings still remaining on the surface have not...
However, science still cannot explain clearly how the previous generation of buildings were buried beneath the surface.

Not sure I would call that "evolved". Any changes to the new structures would be architectural renovations.
History is a better source for explanations about the ancient buildings. The work of Archeologists.

 

[soberxp]

Not sure I would call that "evolved". Any changes to the new structures would be architectural renovations.
History is a better source for explanations about the ancient buildings. The work of Archeologists.

It's just a metaphor, similar to the theory of evolution.
All the evidence was discovered underground, but no one witnessed the process of it happening, nor did they understand why this was the case...
Also, Quite ancient living fossil organisms still exist on the surface, much like some ancient buildings still exist on the surface,

 

[Taken]

I don't identify as an ape, I am one.

LOL…

God did make types or kinds of animals.

Actually … According to God, He “Created”… and then “MADE”… His Creations according to Gods … “Will, Power and Pleasure”

He also made us of the same stuff.

Actually, God “CREATED”:
* a “Habitat”, God called Earth.
* a “Habitat”, God called Heaven.

* Each “Habitat”… contains the “Elements”…from which:
* God could (and DID) “CREATE” a “KIND” of BEING, from OUT of Each “Habitat”…
* AND
* The “CREATED” being, God “MADE” Alive, With “Gods Breath Of Life”
* AND
* Together, with “Gods Breath of Life IN the Created Being…AND…The Elements (Water / Minerals), IN The Habitats” ( consumed by the beings ) the “MADE ALIVE” beings…”LIFE”, IS Sustained to Remain…ALIVE.

* Plants…were “CREATED and MADE” …
TO “Grow IN The Earth, IN The Water”…
TO “Extract Water and Minerals” from the Earth…
To “sustain” the LIFE of Created and Made Earthly Beings.

Both, Earthly… MAN and ANIMAL KINDS of beings…
* Have a natural Life, sustained, by consuming, (Minerals, “nutrients”, Water, From Plants, and Animals, and Man.)
And
* Have a spiritual Life, (in a natural Alive Body). Ie. Gods Breath (ie a Soul).

Man- And Animals “ARE” Two DISTINCT “KINDS” of Gods Creations…
* Created out of the Same Element..Earth.
* Made Alive By the Same Power..Soul.
* Naturally Sustained by the Same…Minerals.
AND…
Purposed FOR MULTIPLE “SIMILAR” “REASONINGS”…
- From a MAN learning INSTINCTS and BEHAVIORS FROM Animals,
( eating, avoiding, breeding, caring, helping, ostracizing, abandoning, including, working, companionship, stalking, sorrow, lonely; etc.)
AND…
- To an Animal learning BEHAVIORS FROM MAN.

DISTINCT KINDS of Gods Creations having …
SIMILAR Needs for sustainability of Its Created and Made Life…
having …
SIMILAR Instincts..
having …
SIMILAR Behaviors…
having …
SIMILAR Emotions…
having …
SIMILAR Abilities…
having …
SIMILAR Characteristics…
***
DOES NOT CROSS the Barrier OF MAKING…
A Man an Animal or An Animal A Man….or some combination of a hybrid, part man, part animal…. Regardless of what a man “claims”.

** No where, Does the Creator and Maker, Lord God Himself….EVER, teach, hint, Foretell, His Distinct KIND Creations of Man and Animals could, would, will produce an offspring, or one Become the Other.

Creationism is a man made belief.

God Himself Proclaimed Himself Creator and Maker…
Some men Trust to Believe God Himself…
Some men Do Not.
* And Animals, (such IS an Ape), ie such as You Yourself…claims Applies to You…

Animals Were NEVER Given, the Ability or Requirement to Believe IN God…
… YOU Claim yourself TO BE a “Christian (ie God Believing) Animal (specifically) an Ape…

I think THAT a fanciful, wayward, corrupt and destructive LIE… and Sadly Disturbing.

Gen 1:
[25] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Grailhunter]

The buildings on the ruins have evolved, while the ancient buildings still remaining on the surface have not...
However, science still cannot explain clearly how the previous generation of buildings were buried beneath the surface.

No not science it usually involves history and it caused by war and time and it does not involve the same civilization.

 

[soberxp]

No not science it usually involves history and it caused by war and time and it does not involve the same civilization.

War and time cannot turn the foundation of a building into an underground part, and then build another layer of foundation on top which is still an underground part, and so on.

 

[St. SteVen]

It's just a metaphor, similar to the theory of evolution.
All the evidence was discovered underground, but no one witnessed the process of it happening, nor did they understand why this was the case...
Also, Quite ancient living fossil organisms still exist on the surface, much like some ancient buildings still exist on the surface,

As I understand it, history indicates many ancient civilizations built their cities on top of previous ancient ruins.

Ancient Civilizations and Their Cities​

Many ancient civilizations constructed their cities atop the ruins of earlier settlements. This practice was often due to the strategic advantages of location, as well as the desire to utilize existing resources and infrastructure.

Reasons for Building on Ruins​

• Strategic Locations: Many ancient cities were built in areas that offered natural defenses or access to trade routes. For example, Ur, a significant Sumerian city, was located near the confluence of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, making it a vital trading hub.
• Cultural Continuity: Building on previous sites allowed civilizations to maintain cultural and religious practices. The remnants of earlier structures often held significant historical and spiritual value.
• Resource Utilization: Utilizing existing materials and foundations from older cities reduced the need for new construction resources, making it more efficient to build.

Notable Examples​

Ancient City	Time Period	Description
Ur	Circa 21st century BC	A major trading hub in Mesopotamia, known for its Ziggurat.
Knossos	Circa 17th century BC	The largest Bronze Age site in Crete, featuring a complex palace structure.
Rome	Circa 320 AD	Built on earlier settlements, it became a center of power in the ancient world.
Constantinople	5th - 13th century AD	Developed on the site of Byzantium, it became a crucial cultural and economic center.

These cities exemplify how ancient civilizations built upon the legacies of their predecessors, creating layers of history that continue to influence modern urban development.

 

[Grailhunter]

War and time cannot turn the foundation of a building into an underground part, and then build another layer of foundation on top which is still an underground part, and so on.

Whatever you got going on in your head here, it is not that complicated.
The topic is evolution.

 

[Chihuahua]

LOL…

Are you an animal? Wait, you are a manimal, right?


I just skipped your bizarre rambling of the man made creation mythology

** No where, Does the Creator and Maker, Lord God Himself….EVER, teach, hint, Foretell, His Distinct KIND Creations of Man and Animals could, would, will produce an offspring, or one Become the Other.

God doesn't mention humans would walk on the moon. Donkeys and horse are different species, yet still can produce an offspring.

 

[soberxp]

Whatever you got going on in your head here, it is not that complicated.
The topic is evolution.

 

[soberxp]

God doesn't mention humans would walk on the moon. Donkeys and horse are different species, yet still can produce an offspring.

Yes, you can have baby with E.T or EBE. Cuz you are all human beings.....
Angle and human can have children, yet still different species,
Can you tell me the difference between EBE and angle, they all From sky above.....

 

[Grailhunter]

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[Taken]

Are you an animal?

Odd question to ask a person, Who clearly iS a man-KIND of Being.

Wait, you are a manimal, right?

Uh no.

Am I A ManKIND of mammal?..
YES

Do some AnimalKINDS of mammals Exist? …YES

Obviously you “MAKE Claims” YOU ARE an animal KIND of being, “because” you and some animals have common, characteristics…

Perhaps you also Have Rough, bumpy Flesh, a tongue, teeth, can walk about on land, swim in water, have forward facing eyes, a pointed snout that breathes air, a spine, hunt to kill and eat,
and are by “Those characteristics”…
A Gator…. LOL :roll eyes:

I just skipped your bizarre rambling of the man made creation mythology

Of course you Did… reading or verifying Gods Teaching with Gods Word… is of no interest (to “Apes”) or “Persons” WHOSE own WORD is believed Greater than Gods Word. You presented no surprise.

God doesn't mention humans would walk on the moon.

Utterly unnecessary for God to mention anything specific … Since God already Revealed Broadly (encompassing Many Deeds / works of men to be on as grand scale of Works that God does.

John 14:
[12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

But don’t get too enamored…or uppity…
So much more can God Do, that which a man can not even imagine.


Eph 3:
[20] Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us.

Donkeys and horse are different species, yet still can produce an offspring.

Whoop, Whoop…
* A created corrupt SPIRIT kind of being and manKind of being can engage in copulation and produce a sterile offspring…
* A manKind of being and an Animal kind of Being can engage in copulation and Not produce an offspring.
* An Animal kind of being and another Animal Kind of being Can engage in copulation and Not Produce an offspring.
* An Animal KIND and Animal KIND are able to copulate and produce a Sterile offspring.
* A Human Kind and Human Kind ARE Able to Copulate… produce an offspring, Fail to produce an offspring, or Able to produce a Sterile Offspring.
* Sterile Offsprings are unable to reproduce.

Humans and Animals do Not reproduce offsprings…

Humans do not become Animals and Animals do not become Humans… regardless of how many characteristics they learn, mimic, one or the other.

Human males do not become human females or visa versa… regardless of how many characteristics they learn, mimic, surgically modify, or claim.

It must be constantly frustrating for you to be Regularly Treated as a human, while claiming to BE an Ape.

Too bad you have not convinced a Human, to build you a home, Supply with you all your wants and Needs. Clean up your Messes…called neither a Liberal Human man or a Pet animal; but rather a “Liberal Pet.”

LOL

 

[GodsGrace]

Stephen Meyer is one of my favorite people. I read his book Signature in the Cell many years ago, a good read and very understandable even to those with a limited scientific background.
However, while he rejects evolutionary biology in the macro, he is still completely on board with evolutionary cosmology, which to my mind seems a bit of a contradiction.

What is evolutionary cosmology?
I don't believe I've ever heard him speak to this.

From Gemini:

Evolutionary cosmology is the scientific and philosophical view that the universe is a dynamic, unfolding story of continuous development, from the Big Bang to the present, encompassing the evolution of matter, galaxies, stars, planets, and life, leading to increasing complexity and consciousness. It integrates physics, astronomy, biology, and even human culture into a single grand narrative, seeing the cosmos as a creative, self-organizing system where all parts are interconnected.

Far be it for me to speak for Meyer, but I'd have to agree with the fact the the universe is always changing.
I also believe that microevolution is going on all the time - that would be adaptation.
Starts are formed...they die...black holes absorb matter....
wouldn't this be evolutionary cosmology and isn't it going on all the time??

 

[ScottA]

So you reject evolutionary biology, but consider anyone who rejects evolutionary cosmology as a crackpot? Care to elaborate?

That's not what I said. I didn’t call anyone a "crackpot" (your word, not mine).

This world is not the world to come. The world to come is not time-based--meaning no "shadow of turning", and no night, no darkness. But the scriptures speak of both this world and the world to come (the new heavens and new earth)...and they must be rightly divided. The problem I see here is that those who believe in a bio or flat earth reality are not rightly dividing, but mixing those passages that ought not to be mixed.

In other words, for example, the passages describing a "shadow of turning", only pertain to this world, and thus "turning", refer to a global earth; and those passages without a "shadow of turning", are not referring to this world, but the world to come. The only way the Light of God could possibly be made manifest in likeness, is light emulating in every direction from a global sun, day and night, to a "turning" global earth.

And then there is the matter of "elements"--and passages which can only refer to this world because they are to be "dissolved." Meaning, those passages regarding the world to come, do not describe physical structure, but spiritual.

Thus, no evolution, but an illusion of a time-based revelation made manifest, with no such need.

@David in NJ

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It sure is that is why it is compatible with other science and understood in medicine.

It is accepted, but not understood. We have no empirical evidence of Darwinian evolution. Only supposition. Evolution falls outside of the scientific method of determining fact.

No, creationism is a mythology created by men roughly based on part of revelation.

Wrong. It also best explains what we can know of biological life. There is speciation, but as far as all can determine, mice have always been mice, fish/fish, birds/birds etc. It is evolution that is created by man and partial revelation. Evolution is biologically impossible and there is not one definitive piece of evidence that evolution on the macro scale ever took place.

Scientists do not really use the term macroevolution. I only see creationists using it. It is certainly known and documented in fossils and genetics.

Well it is used to differentiate between what is called micro evolution which is more just natural variation within species. Prove from Genetics that fish became amphibians which became reptiles which became birds.

Fossils show fossils existed! Period! The rest is done by paleo story tellers to try ogive credence to Darwinian evolution.

Generally one doesn't go into an existing order or family. The members of those are due to a common ancestor. There is convergent evolution in which different lines produce similar traits.

Now we know they don't! But for Darwinian evolution to be true- all ape like creatures had to have one common ancestor to evolve from and all life sprang from non-life into microorganisms and then developed into the living tree of today through mutation and survival of the fit. Or so the story goes.

I do not believe. I understand that evolution can occur in different ways given a species or event.

So you can have slo steady state, punctuated eqiuilibria, Goldschmidts theory all going on at the same time? Proof?

You cannot show one concrete example of say a mouse ever changing into something that was not a mouse. or a reptile changing into something that is not a lizard.

 

[Nancy]

It is accepted, but not understood. We have no empirical evidence of Darwinian evolution. Only supposition. Evolution falls outside of the scientific method of determining fact.

Wrong. It also best explains what we can know of biological life. There is speciation, but as far as all can determine, mice have always been mice, fish/fish, birds/birds etc. It is evolution that is created by man and partial revelation. Evolution is biologically impossible and there is not one definitive piece of evidence that evolution on the macro scale ever took place.

Well it is used to differentiate between what is called micro evolution which is more just natural variation within species. Prove from Genetics that fish became amphibians which became reptiles which became birds.

Fossils show fossils existed! Period! The rest is done by paleo story tellers to try ogive credence to Darwinian evolution.

Now we know they don't! But for Darwinian evolution to be true- all ape like creatures had to have one common ancestor to evolve from and all life sprang from non-life into microorganisms and then developed into the living tree of today through mutation and survival of the fit. Or so the story goes.

So you can have slo steady state, punctuated eqiuilibria, Goldschmidts theory all going on at the same time? Proof?

You cannot show one concrete example of say a mouse ever changing into something that was not a mouse. or a reptile changing into something that is not a lizard.

those 'growth spurts' had to be a massive event to behold

 

[GodsGrace]

Evolution does not work anything like a growth spurt. Some species remain steady in their traits over long periods of time. Climate and other factors can make life more difficult for a species to survive, favoring certain genes from mutations over time. Likewise a single event could potentially wipe out a group. We see this repeatedly in the use of something to devastate a population, but parts of that population survive and fill the gaps left. This is seen in example of a germ which can be cured and the cure is sometimes overused producing something that is now in the human population with no known treatment.

HOW does a gene mutate?

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