Truthnightmare
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That it is, however it is considered truth by religious Jews, for they believe in the oral law not the written.
Do you guys support Ben Shapiro or Candace Owens in their lastest dispute over Israel and Gaza?
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Wrangler
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I think I do know even about Zionism that the civilized world should support it.
Of all the criticism one might level against Shapiro, this one is the most stinging. When he gets this one wrong, it doesn't really matter what else he gets wrong or right. This doesn't make him a bad person, it just shows vividly that he gets some very important things wrong.
I think he's wrong on Candace Owens as well, and he should apologize. He single-handedly made this blow up.
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I fully agree Jews hold the oral law in the (Talmud) higher than written scripture, something the vast majority in the world are unaware of
Quotes Jewish Talmud:
(Goyim) Non-Jew
“The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts.” ~ Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b
“Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals.” ~ Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
“A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands.” ~ Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L Jehovah created the goyim in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The goyim is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a goyim, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a goyim he may keep.
Baba Mezia 114b The goyim are not humans. They are beasts.
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies to circumvent a goyim.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Goyim girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: “Thank you God for not making me a goyim, a woman or a slave.”
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a goyim the wages owed him for work.
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a goyim it does not have to be returned.
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Why trust a Jewish man to be able to discern the times when he can't discern the true Messiah?
His loyalties are Zionist IMO, so I would expect him to be biased for the nation of Israel.
His loyalties are Zionist IMO, so I would expect him to be biased for the nation of Israel.
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Truthnightmare
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And that really is the essence of my posistion.
Taking a brief look at scripture…
2 John 1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
What doctrine? The doctrine of Christ as Lord.
Not only should I not let those who the Bible deems as antichrist in my home, but I’m not to even wish them good luck.
But I am suppose to support Ben because he calls himself a jew and because he out debates confused college kids… Not happening.
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Apparently Candace Owens doesn't support genocide. I would disagree that Israel is committing genocide. It's a bunch of rebels mascrading as civilians playing the victim card while they tacitly support Hamas.
Even so Israel is restrained in their response.
I don’t believe it’s anything even resembling a genocide. Israel does have a right to defend themselves as well as rid themselves of this evil.
And Candace didn’t accuse them of genocide either, which makes Ben’s attack on her so disingenuous.
Wrangler
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Such a blanket criticism means you can never hold a non-Christian as being right on anything. I can hardly imagine a more sweeping statement of closed-minded bigotry; If you don't pass my litmus test, everything you say will be held in contempt. No possibility of innocence means no possibility of justice. What mockery of justice and judgement!
It makes one wonder how you decide when 2 non-Christians have an argument?
Even a clock is right twice a day, but a Jew can never be right about anything since he has this one thing wrong. Talk about leveraging religion onto politics. Although Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, we can be confident he did not come to save the Jews, eh? Wow. Just wow!
Wrangler
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Primarily because one thing has nothing to do with the other thing.
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quietthinker
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Do you guys support Ben Shapiro or Candace Owens in their lastest dispute over Israel and Gaza?
What has the Kingdom of God to do with the Kingdom of Men?
I just wish Christians here could have a much deeper conversation about this. We are not robots or drones in a hive mind who has to agree on everything and repeat the same thing over and over, that collective forced mob mentality is what the Communists were after, and we are surely better that that.
It just makes me so sad and tired that Americans, even Christians, are treating this whole conflict like which side to root for in a casual college baseball game or something. It's a very serious and complicated situation. And lots of people are becoming very, very divided and conflicted about this. If you guys hate what Candace or Shapiro wrote, then go send them a letter, I wasn't the one posted those comments on Twitter, they were.
Yes, the world would be much better off without Hamas, and likely without modern Islam as well, maybe. But the Jewish people for all their talents and strengths and positive qualities, well, they are STILL denying the Living Christ. So why should we treat all their actions and words and choices as somehow automatically sacred and beyond reproach? Judas was also Jewish, and so were the Pharisees and Sadducees...being racially / ethnically Jewish in and of itself does not make a government or its people untouchable and "always in the right".
Even in ancient times, Israel was far from perfect and infallible and somehow immune to criticism or punishment as some people today seem to presume. Was not even Moses barred from the Promised Land for his anger? Did God not allow the Temple of Jerusalem to be despoiled because of the Jewish people's sins and iniquities? I just hope that the mistakes of the ancient past are not yet repeated today.
"But concerning Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” (Romans 10:21)
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I have Jewish friends, and they are great people. Any kind of bigotry is certainly wrong and reprehensible.
But I think it is wrong for Christians to blindly revere and idolize the modern-day Jewish people as a whole, that leads us on a slippery slope. Just today I was reading an article about young Jews on college campuses hanging both the rainbow and the Israeli flags together on their walls, and lots of Jews in both Israel and America support full abortion rights also, and legalizing drugs, and even sometimes restricting free speech to avoid "offending" certain groups.
My point is that Israel might be our ally, but on a spiritual level, one can easily recognize that lots of Jews, especially irreligious Jews, are not exactly in alignment with God's highest will either on many different things. Do most Jews today even read the Bible whatsoever? Or are those Jews too in the extreme fringe?
Truthnightmare
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The problem with this discussion as I see it, is most can not even agree on what a Jew is.
Funny that they talk of Genocide regarding this War but not of Ukraine War ?
The Ukraine War is Genocide if anything truly ! The Killing of Slavic peoples in fact is the Game, for sure So why do they not call for a Cease fire ? It is clearly Genocide ! and what is the war truly over ? Oil and Gas found in Ukraine being the number one issue for the War in fact, people and homes etc mean nothing at all to Zelensky in fact !
Regarding the War in Israel that has to do with the Left Socialist all around the world, Joe Biden is number one peddler of all that lead to the attack on Israel ! but Socialist within Israel are also responsible for letting the attack take place.
Even i knew that such was on the cards as soon as Joe Biden gave Afghanistan all of them Weapons ! no one could be so stupid ! that's a fact and then the kicking of of the Russians War with East Ukraine was all Joe Biden's handy work, and i knew that the weapons that Biden was giving Corrupt Dictator lead Ukraine was that some were being soled to Islamic world that bombed them with USA bombs that Ukraine sold.
Biden and his Socialist are kicking off all the Wars in fact !
When do Ukraine go back to Vote again ? Never in fact ! because Ukraine does not have any opposition Party's in fact ! Russia Votes tho !
Yet the UN demands the slaves in Ukraine can not Vote they do not have that right in fact and this comes from an organisation that is un elected people who dictate over other Nations in fact !
Give the people of Ukraine the right to Vote ! and to Hell with the UN Socialist morons who dictate over people like that !
Truthnightmare
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Matthew 24:6?
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”
Shapiro is one of the Righteous Gentiles.
He strongly believes in Justice, but might use Constitutional laws
and secular principles to express them.
Jesus is still God's Authority of Justice that governs and fulfills
all laws and standards of justice regardless of expression.
If Shapiro speaks falsely or unfairly, he is responsible and will be held to corrections.
Given the high standards of correction he demands, that will be what he answers to as well!