Don't forget about Australia and New Zealand, they're a lot nearer to the flash point than Europe is. God Bless
Do you think the USA and Europe should protect Taiwan in a war with China?
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Totally !
But why the ranting of China on such as Taiwan ! and we know that the rest of Asia will become in the same boat.
Why can't China just let people alone, Hong Kong was happy to be as it was, but Communist China said No ! Who does that ? If Taiwan wanted to be under Chinas rule, fine ! So why push ! Taiwan is not hurting anyone. Same with Hong Kong.
The problem with China is that it's Communist ! and that's why the madness exist.
We have Communist in the USA as well, Biden is one ! That's were Biden and Co are heading the USA down that path, but they can not afford to wake up all of the democrat Socialist, that they are selling out the USA for it to fail and if the USA went to War with China I would look out for the USA to loose under such as the Democrats. as they would make so many blunders, look at them now, they are like a Fox in the Hen House !
Australia PM is only a little boy, not to mention never had a real Job in his life and is a typical Socialist moron, who talks so much rubbish.
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There seems to be a theme here.
At one time Kuwait belonged to Iraq. But it broke off and became it's own sovereignty. Hussein wanted his oil that was on Kuwaiti land.
And thus the invasion of Iraq into Kuwait and the US and allied nation's response to that.
Ultimately leading us to 911 and the war on terror.
Then we have Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine was originally a part of Russia but broke off and became it's own sovereignty. Putin made an agreement with Ukraine that they would not seek membership with NATO, which would allow for nuclear weapons to be placed along Russia's border. Zelensky petitioned NATO for membership and Russia began to bring in the military to defend it's borders.
Also, Ukraine was attacking Dunbass which held mostly native russian people and was trying to genocide them.
Putin petitioned the UN concerning Dunbass but they refused to help.
And here we are again US and allied nations creating a new war. This has led to inflation, supply chain shortages, lots of money laundering,
basically a takedown of our economy.
Then there is Hong Kong. Apparently they didn't have anything we wanted so we didn't interfere. Even though Hong Kong is one of China's provinces. I don't know if Hong Kong was considered sovereign, and I don't believe Taiwan is considered sovereign...
So if we take any stance with Taiwan we will be on China's soil.
But Taiwan has these semi conductor chip manufacturing plants, and the US covets them.
Coveting is not a good thing and only leads to more wars.
If there were no semi conductor plants in Taiwan, would we still concern ourselves with it?
I don't believe our interests have anything to do with humanitarian or democratic reasons.
And because of this we would surely fail.
You would think we would learn by now...
Hugs
At one time Kuwait belonged to Iraq. But it broke off and became it's own sovereignty. Hussein wanted his oil that was on Kuwaiti land.
And thus the invasion of Iraq into Kuwait and the US and allied nation's response to that.
Ultimately leading us to 911 and the war on terror.
Then we have Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine was originally a part of Russia but broke off and became it's own sovereignty. Putin made an agreement with Ukraine that they would not seek membership with NATO, which would allow for nuclear weapons to be placed along Russia's border. Zelensky petitioned NATO for membership and Russia began to bring in the military to defend it's borders.
Also, Ukraine was attacking Dunbass which held mostly native russian people and was trying to genocide them.
Putin petitioned the UN concerning Dunbass but they refused to help.
And here we are again US and allied nations creating a new war. This has led to inflation, supply chain shortages, lots of money laundering,
basically a takedown of our economy.
Then there is Hong Kong. Apparently they didn't have anything we wanted so we didn't interfere. Even though Hong Kong is one of China's provinces. I don't know if Hong Kong was considered sovereign, and I don't believe Taiwan is considered sovereign...
So if we take any stance with Taiwan we will be on China's soil.
But Taiwan has these semi conductor chip manufacturing plants, and the US covets them.
Coveting is not a good thing and only leads to more wars.
If there were no semi conductor plants in Taiwan, would we still concern ourselves with it?
I don't believe our interests have anything to do with humanitarian or democratic reasons.
And because of this we would surely fail.
You would think we would learn by now...
Hugs
The USA in its march west called this "Manifest Destiny" and they made it happen, all the way to the Pacific, the people in the way were swallowed up in that taking taking of all the lands. I do consider that was God's will. God establishes the boundaries of the nations and who lives there, and HE does force changes. Happened also in the OT. And Paul writes it like this, that they may seek the LORD. This life is a fragile and temporary existence, while those who love and follow Christ are living an eternal life.. God shows this to people everyday dwn here on the earth..
Acts 17
24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
Acts 17
24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
Lots of chit-chat here about debt. If all the nations are in debt, who is holding the note?
Once again, the word of God spells it out for us:
In the 47th chapter of Isaiah, Israel and Jerusalem are described as the daughter of the Chaldeans. This is directly related to the fact that Chaldea was a nation that skillfully employed the techniques of merchants of debt to weaken a nation before it was conquered by the army. Thus, the Chaldeans would go into a country and offer loans at low interest with special conditions which virtually guaranteed that the debtor would never pay off the debt. As this practice spread throughout a nation, it so burdened the middle class that it ceased to exist and hence, the country was ripe for take-over. But, when the conquest comes, even the merchants of debt will abandon the nation.
James 4:13-14, "Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away."
For this reason, when we all stepped into commerce, we all compromised our traditionally vested rights. You only have two absolute 'unalienable rights': Life and Liberty. Everything else is conditioned on your conduct and consent. Your life and liberty are vested by God in Genesis 2:7. Dominion over property is conditional, this being the lesson of Adam in the garden.
Once again, the word of God spells it out for us:
In the 47th chapter of Isaiah, Israel and Jerusalem are described as the daughter of the Chaldeans. This is directly related to the fact that Chaldea was a nation that skillfully employed the techniques of merchants of debt to weaken a nation before it was conquered by the army. Thus, the Chaldeans would go into a country and offer loans at low interest with special conditions which virtually guaranteed that the debtor would never pay off the debt. As this practice spread throughout a nation, it so burdened the middle class that it ceased to exist and hence, the country was ripe for take-over. But, when the conquest comes, even the merchants of debt will abandon the nation.
James 4:13-14, "Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away."
For this reason, when we all stepped into commerce, we all compromised our traditionally vested rights. You only have two absolute 'unalienable rights': Life and Liberty. Everything else is conditioned on your conduct and consent. Your life and liberty are vested by God in Genesis 2:7. Dominion over property is conditional, this being the lesson of Adam in the garden.
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I am not sure about America being a "world police" either, we are trillions of dollars in debt right now, but I do think Taiwan is worth protecting, if at all possible.
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I believe so to protect a bigger democratic nation from a dictating one as well as to protect the other nations like Japan and South Korea
At this point the USA is incapable of protecting itself, let alone any other country. China could march right in tomorrow and everyone would simply be looking on. If they could send a spy balloon right across the country and no one said a boo, imagine China coming in full force against America and taking over without a shot being fired.
God's kingdom is not of this world, but lots of Dominionist Christians say it is. And they say we have to fight over this world's spoils or else the kingdom of God fails. This very US Government is aligned with the Beast of Revelation, things have changed on the spiritual front, the USA is turned away from God and Christ, look at the popular culture, it is worse than ever it was..
35 Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”
Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
Whatever will happen with the nations is the will of God. No one should judge his brother in this matter.
35 Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”
Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
Whatever will happen with the nations is the will of God. No one should judge his brother in this matter.
China has threatened to nuke Japan very heavily, if Japan sends so much as a single soldier to defend Taiwan. The UK for one sent war ships in 2021 to defend Japan, and vow to keep at least two ships at a time in the region in support of Japan.
China is nothing but a monster, and the west needs to Nuke China. They's make some very pretty volcanic glass afterwards.
I can't decide if we need to nuke AOC and the Squad first, or China, but somebody needs to be nuked, and soon. Just saying.
China is nothing but a monster, and the west needs to Nuke China. They's make some very pretty volcanic glass afterwards.
I can't decide if we need to nuke AOC and the Squad first, or China, but somebody needs to be nuked, and soon. Just saying.
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