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Do you think the USA and Europe should protect Taiwan in a war with China?


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JohnPaul

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Guess what ......When you need a chip for your car ....It's suddenly your business. That or buy a horse.
Not our problem, let them fight their own wars, so we should go to war over a chip for the car? We can't make our own?
 

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Hello,
Chances are you are using a computer with Taiwanese parts. Its been that way for too long. The USA passed NAFTA to move corporations out. Labor problems and union demands on businesses instigated this. What is made in the USA now? It would have been better to at least keep these business in Canada or South America. The way it is now, if a chip maker came into USA, They would get free land, no taxes, import labor, and sign a document that no one can sue the business. Its too late to reign in what been let out now.
 
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Exactly what convinces everyone that China is all powerful? The news media?

Xi visited his military leaders after being elected to another 5 years ... His message to become more dangerous .....

In the background is the truth .... For example: (Changing here for a moment) When North Korea has a parade and Most of the weapons carried in the parade ....props, nothing more.

In using this example ...consider China. Troops were assigned to occupy portions of Mongolia last winter .....They all were brought home. Weapons failed, housing failed, leadership failed, troops untrained.....The Superior Officers all removed from service .... They don't go to a desk job .....they disappear.

Recall the recent election process in the China Communist Party, where are old leader is removed during the process ....I joked that the only thing missing in the tape was the gun shot in the background once he was out of sight ......No one has heard or found him after he was removed ....

This is the China way. We had a problem with Quality Control for a short term in our manufacturing Plant. Marketing always takes these things seriously. We found an article and posted it on the Marketing Board . .....it involved a refrigerator plant in China.

The Communist Government visited the refrigerator plant. New design refrigerators were available for the first time in China. Communist Leadership was joyful. They all ordered new refrigerators for their homes .....the joy was short lived .....the refrigerators were failures...The leadership returned with a demand that quality control get their act together and manufacture refrigerators that worked ....The Plant was given three months to get back on track ....One morning a military unit appeared at the plant. Manageent was informed they had failed once again. Separated from the employees, Management and the employees were marched out into the rice paddies behind the plant. All of management lined up and shot. Employees taken from the staff. They were made the new management team .....The incentive worked ....the Communist Leadership got new refrigerators that worked ...

China is not the booming powerful capable military everyone thiks they are ...the recent failures in Mongolia prove they are short of the Happy Meal ....Don't elevate them to super man ....but don't ignore the capability to make improvements ....
 

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Exactly what convinces everyone that China is all powerful? The news media?

Xi visited his military leaders after being elected to another 5 years ... His message to become more dangerous .....

In the background is the truth .... For example: (Changing here for a moment) When North Korea has a parade and Most of the weapons carried in the parade ....props, nothing more.

In using this example ...consider China. Troops were assigned to occupy portions of Mongolia last winter .....They all were brought home. Weapons failed, housing failed, leadership failed, troops untrained.....The Superior Officers all removed from service .... They don't go to a desk job .....they disappear.

Recall the recent election process in the China Communist Party, where are old leader is removed during the process ....I joked that the only thing missing in the tape was the gun shot in the background once he was out of sight ......No one has heard or found him after he was removed ....

This is the China way. We had a problem with Quality Control for a short term in our manufacturing Plant. Marketing always takes these things seriously. We found an article and posted it on the Marketing Board . .....it involved a refrigerator plant in China.

The Communist Government visited the refrigerator plant. New design refrigerators were available for the first time in China. Communist Leadership was joyful. They all ordered new refrigerators for their homes .....the joy was short lived .....the refrigerators were failures...The leadership returned with a demand that quality control get their act together and manufacture refrigerators that worked ....The Plant was given three months to get back on track ....One morning a military unit appeared at the plant. Manageent was informed they had failed once again. Separated from the employees, Management and the employees were marched out into the rice paddies behind the plant. All of management lined up and shot. Employees taken from the staff. They were made the new management team .....The incentive worked ....the Communist Leadership got new refrigerators that worked ...

China is not the booming powerful capable military everyone thiks they are ...the recent failures in Mongolia prove they are short of the Happy Meal ....Don't elevate them to super man ....but don't ignore the capability to make improvements ....
And they created Covid.
 
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The Demorats are communist, like China is.
Satanic ! that's the real definition I would say for a fact.

Look at how the Democrats play the Game, are they Democratic ? Not at all !

They have changed the definition of democracy in fact !
They use the word democrat but such is bastardised in fact, it's Socialist Domination ! That's the Game !
The People do not own the Government in fact ! But the Government own you in fact ! you will be fashioned as they please in fact ! and they are doing it in fact right under your nose ! Just like Hitler etc etc all did.
You have no rights to say things in fact now, and if one can not see that, one must be a fool.
Ones true Freedom of speech is lost, that's a fact !

So what does the powers that be under Socialism truly think of you the people ? That is one thing we all should understand !
They see all as Cattle in fact ! just like the Jews claim you are. They do not see you are worthy of being a human in fact. but something to be used or bought owned in fact. why is that well they have not Grace in fact.

The Anti-Christ workings, does not lift the people up, but only lowers all down to the lowest denominator, because that's were they are all at ?
How can anyone lift one up if one has no Grace ?

The Jew lives in a septic tank because they have no Grace in fact, so they are lost to God !
Only the Jews who looked to Moses had the ability too have faith in Jesus and it was they who became the first Christians in fact.
So that is what is needed in fact for all people regardless, or one is Carnal and lost, your religion does not Save your Soul, only Christ Jesus can do that, so one has to be connected to him or one is dead ? Dwelling in a Sewer like a Rat ! existing but dead to the Holy Spirit and ego driven doing things your own carnal way, devoid of Salvation !
Having many idols, idolising people ! your political leader, your religious leader ? your football team, your rock stars etc etc are all idolised by fools in fact ! People you do not even know truly Haha ! how stupid is such nonsense, it's truly deranged ! It's a sickness of a Carnal mind, such is delusional !
Such people do not even know themselves and if they do, the foundations are built on malice and madness of the delusions of ego driven insanity, because they are possessed !

Outside of Christ Jesus is nothing worthy of God in fact !

Socialism and it's aim to be Communism is all based on the derangement of Mans works, that is devoid of Christ Jesus.
They think that they can make a world out of the lowest denominator by keeping everyone down ? they call such equality !
Equality in who's eyes ? Some dip stick that dominates and has not Grace ?
 

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And they created Covid.
I don't think that China created Covid, I think that was created by the USA in Ukraine !
The enemy is truly within the USA, it has been so from WW2 on, such sold out to their Satanic Anti-Christ mates in Russia to build Nuclear Bomb ! so we had to live with that threat ! We can see the workings of the enemy clearly, they have worked to undermine the USA on every level so as to make the People sick and deranged low life filth mongers. Not that there is anything wrong with that ? :rolleyes: That's what they use dribble like that, too justify themselves in todays world, where you can not truly speak your mind openly. Like a revolving door that leads to nothingness. So to does everything lead to nothingness the revolving door Covid hey !
Go in that door and come out with Zip ! Well such must be of design ! It's designed that way ! to lead all astray !
 

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I don't think that China created Covid, I think that was created by the USA in Ukraine !
The enemy is truly within the USA, it has been so from WW2 on, such sold out to their Satanic Anti-Christ mates in Russia to build Nuclear Bomb ! so we had to live with that threat ! We can see the workings of the enemy clearly, they have worked to undermine the USA on every level so as to make the People sick and deranged low life filth mongers. Not that there is anything wrong with that ? :rolleyes: That's what they use dribble like that, too justify themselves in todays world, where you can not truly speak your mind openly. Like a revolving door that leads to nothingness. So to does everything lead to nothingness the revolving door Covid hey !
Go in that door and come out with Zip ! Well such must be of design ! It's designed that way ! to lead all astray !
COVID was not created in Ukraine ....Taiwan spies were on the ground when the first outbreak occured. Taiwan reported the outbreaks to WHO. WHO talked to China, "What's going on?" "Nothing to see here, move on"

The US had participated in military war games in Wuhan ....The US and other countries had gone home ...no outbreak....The US Embassy in Wuhan warned the State Department that the Chinese Government could not find experienced Level 4 Employees for the Level 4 Research Facility in Wuhan .....The annual Fashion Trade Show takes place in Wuhan.....the outbreak is now spreading in the population from Europe, especially Italy .....1500 cell phones are tracked leaving Wuhan .....The spread of the new pneumonia like virus goes worldwide ....

China is infuriated at the reports from Taiwan about the spread.....Infuriated at the reports to WHO....."Created in Ukraine" .....better to be infuriated that Fauci and others funded research in Baltimore University that created a much deadlier strain of COVID without the Level 4 clearances .....the lab was shut down and the professor .....was shipped back to CHINA. Fauci and Eco paid for the Wuhan Research.
 

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The Demorats are communist, like China is.

The Democrats here as in other areas have a very contradictory stance. On one hand, they glamorize and sometimes sympathize with left-wing socialist regimes such as Cuba and Venezuela, on the other hand Democrats like Biden and Pelosi seem to want America to enter into a new war with China. o_O
 

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The Democrats here as in other areas have a very contradictory stance. On one hand, they glamorize and sometimes sympathize with left-wing socialist regimes such as Cuba and Venezuela, on the other hand Democrats like Biden and Pelosi seem to want America to enter into a new war with China. o_O
It's about control, the USA Demoncrats want to lead and dominate over the whole world totally.
China does not want to be dominated but wants to dominate.
 

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As most people here should know, there have been massive tensions in the Indo-Pacific region due to China's recent actions, a result of Nancy Pelosi suddenly visiting Taiwan despite their government's repeated warnings.

Some people think that there could possibly be a third world war on the horizon, between the USA, India, Australia, Japan and Taiwan all fighting China together:

Lots of Democrats and Republicans seem to be broadly supportive of the Taiwanese, but there is some unease and division among progressives and conservatives in both parties. Some Democrats of course think America should be more anti-war, and some Republicans are not enthused at the idea of spending more American lives and money to protect foreign countries with so many domestic problems and inflation and the Ukraine war still raging in Europe.
China says Taiwan issue could take it to "war" with the U.S.
The US could lose up to 900 warplanes fighting a Chinese invasion of Taiwan but would emerge victorious, says think tank

What do you guys think? If someone asked you whether you supported America and Europe protecting Taiwan together, how would you respond??
Not sure, while it would be good of them to defend Taiwan, it would be a pretty tricky situation, considering they would be trying to defend a small island from a massive Chinese army, so then how do they defend?

If the Chinese bombarded Taiwan with missiles it would be pretty hard to defend as there's only 180km wide strait separating China and Taiwan, the Americans and Europeans would pretty much have to take action at the very second the Chinese launch missiles and be in close range to shoot down their missiles, they would only have seconds to shoot them down and they would not want to let many get away, if they were to stand a chance protecting Taiwan. So they probably wouldn't be able to defend from the Pacific at a distance, as time would be an issue.

If the Chinese army landed on foot and fought on the ground it would also be hard to defend the civilians, it would be a bloodbath fighting in such a small crowded country.

It would be a different situation to protecting Ukraine, as Ukraine has plenty of space to defend, and Taiwan doesn't.
 

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i hope world war 3 doesn't happen but history repeats itself
Matthew 24
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.
 

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As most people here should know, there have been massive tensions in the Indo-Pacific region due to China's recent actions, a result of Nancy Pelosi suddenly visiting Taiwan despite their government's repeated warnings.

Some people think that there could possibly be a third world war on the horizon, between the USA, India, Australia, Japan and Taiwan all fighting China together:

Lots of Democrats and Republicans seem to be broadly supportive of the Taiwanese, but there is some unease and division among progressives and conservatives in both parties. Some Democrats of course think America should be more anti-war, and some Republicans are not enthused at the idea of spending more American lives and money to protect foreign countries with so many domestic problems and inflation and the Ukraine war still raging in Europe.
China says Taiwan issue could take it to "war" with the U.S.
The US could lose up to 900 warplanes fighting a Chinese invasion of Taiwan but would emerge victorious, says think tank

What do you guys think? If someone asked you whether you supported America and Europe protecting Taiwan together, how would you respond??
It's my opinion that the free world should put trade embargoes on China's aggression, a simple first start

Shut off the money flow, if aggression continues increase the economic isolation

It's my opinion China should not be in trade with the free world, they were made favorable Nation in the US by commie Bill Clinton and the turncoats in congress of both parties

Try looking at those that voted "For" NAFTA in 1993, it was the great American sell out, take a drive through the Motor Cities in Michigan, Flint, Detroit, etc they are wasted away ghost towns

If we allow China to continue in its onslaught in trade, America will be the same, President Trump had the right Idea "Tariffs" on comminist Red China, shut them off
 
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As most people here should know, there have been massive tensions in the Indo-Pacific region due to China's recent actions, a result of Nancy Pelosi suddenly visiting Taiwan despite their government's repeated warnings.

Some people think that there could possibly be a third world war on the horizon, between the USA, India, Australia, Japan and Taiwan all fighting China together:

Lots of Democrats and Republicans seem to be broadly supportive of the Taiwanese, but there is some unease and division among progressives and conservatives in both parties. Some Democrats of course think America should be more anti-war, and some Republicans are not enthused at the idea of spending more American lives and money to protect foreign countries with so many domestic problems and inflation and the Ukraine war still raging in Europe.
China says Taiwan issue could take it to "war" with the U.S.
The US could lose up to 900 warplanes fighting a Chinese invasion of Taiwan but would emerge victorious, says think tank

What do you guys think? If someone asked you whether you supported America and Europe protecting Taiwan together, how would you respond??

That is up to God! But biblical principles show us that we should stand up for the weaker vessels and Taiwan is definitely a weaker vessel compared to the CCP and its armies.
 
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That is up to God! But biblical principles show us that we should stand up for the weaker vessels and Taiwan is definitely a weaker vessel compared to the CCP and its armies.
Yes, and they actually have a much nicer flag and more majestic national anthem, recently found these songs on YouTube! :)

 
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Not sure, while it would be good of them to defend Taiwan, it would be a pretty tricky situation, considering they would be trying to defend a small island from a massive Chinese army, so then how do they defend?

If the Chinese bombarded Taiwan with missiles it would be pretty hard to defend as there's only 180km wide strait separating China and Taiwan, the Americans and Europeans would pretty much have to take action at the very second the Chinese launch missiles and be in close range to shoot down their missiles, they would only have seconds to shoot them down and they would not want to let many get away, if they were to stand a chance protecting Taiwan. So they probably wouldn't be able to defend from the Pacific at a distance, as time would be an issue.

If the Chinese army landed on foot and fought on the ground it would also be hard to defend the civilians, it would be a bloodbath fighting in such a small crowded country.

It would be a different situation to protecting Ukraine, as Ukraine has plenty of space to defend, and Taiwan doesn't.
So do you think that the West should just allow China to do what it wants? I mean...I don't know. I don't want the USA / NATO to be a world police or anything, that didn't end too well in Iraq, Libya and other places.

But Taiwan is a very powerful economy and democratic ally. I mean, even AUSTRALIA is talking about potential with the Chinese right now, so things do seem to getting serious, bruv. :)

I know the odds are NOT in favor of Taiwan exactly...but perhaps if we ALL unite and work together, the Quad and NATO, India and Japan and all those Southeast Asian countries fighting against them, we can STILL stand a chance in the end! India alone has like a huge population that will soon surpass China's! XD


 
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Yes, and they actually have a much nicer flag and more majestic national anthem, recently found these songs on YouTube! :)

Might get blowback for this, but I really love the old Soviet Union national anthem! It is majestic and flourishing. Just too bad it was for a godless nation.