Doctrine of Predestination

[Big Boy Johnson]

I think when Jesus tells no one can come to Him unless the Father calls them

Jesus also said if I be lift up I will draw ALL men unto me (John 12:32)

It's always funny to see the calvinists get their cherry pickin on!

 

[ProverbsInPink]

How calvinistic of you.

So you are saying God actually wants all the people that go to hell to go there?

Under the false doctrines of calvinism, they blame God for causing people to go to hell.

They have to because they claim God decides who gets saved and who does not which is a lie.

Calvinism is a fake gospel and is not biblical.

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Phew,good thing I'm a Biblicist and not a Calvinist.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Phew,good thing I'm a Biblicist and not a Calvinist.

God's Word does not teach limited atonement which you picked up from the calvinists

Lots of people claim to not be calvinists, and then turn right around and espouse calvinist doctrine which requires them to twist scripture and ignore other scripture to make the false claim that Jesus and His Apostles all taught calvinism

You know, John 3:16 refutes the idea that God is deciding who gets saved and who does not. Numerous passages in the New Testament refute this idea but the devil keeps leading folks to ignore or otherwise explain away what God says in His Word.

That's how we know these people are sadly listening to devils instead of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Jesus also said if I be lift up I will draw ALL men unto me (John 12:32)

It's always funny to see the calvinists get their cherry pickin on!

If you understand that passage in its proper context it comports with the doctrine of election taught by Jesus.

Jesus taught in parables for a reason.As he told us.

If all people are meant to be Saved, all people would be. That isn't what Jesus intended,as he said when explaining why he only taught in parables.

Many are called. Few are chosen.
Not everyone who says to me Lord,lord....

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If all people are meant to be Saved, all people would be.

So there we have it... the claim Jesus doesn't know what He's talking about.

Next you'll try to explain I just don't understand calvinism,

 

[ProverbsInPink]

So there we have it... the claim Jesus doesn't know what He's talking about.

I never said that.

Next you'll try to explain I just don't understand calvinism, View attachment 72534

Far from it. You don't understand scripture.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Far from it. You don't understand scripture.

That's what the demons keep trying to get me to agree with but I don't follow devils, so no dice!

Here's a few scriptures the devils have blinded calvinists from:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:1-4
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL men every where to repent:

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY man.

2 Corinthians 5:19,20
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

It's sad that the calvinists don't even know if they are saved or not!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I never said that.

The author of calvinism says that

 

[One 2 question]

That's what the demons keep trying to get me to agree with but I don't follow devils, so no dice!

Here's a few scriptures the devils have blinded calvinists from:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:1-4
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL men every where to repent:

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY man.

2 Corinthians 5:19,20
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

It's sad that the calvinists don't even know if they are saved or not! View attachment 72536

And Paul adds.....having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself — by Him, I say, whether they be things on earth or things in heaven.

How awesome is this!

 

[JLB]

So the person is regenerated by the Spirit B4 they believe and confess. So those are evidence they are saved and not conditions to get saved.

Sorry but that is totally backwards from what the scriptures teach us.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved.
  

The condition for an unsaved person to become saved is to believe.

 

[One 2 question]

If all people are meant to be Saved, all people would be. That isn't what Jesus intended,as he said when explaining why he only taught in parables.

So who is Jesus choosing (intending) to save, redeem, reconcile to God out of every nation, people, tribe and tongue? And for what purpose?

 

[One 2 question]

Sorry but that is totally backwards from what the scriptures teach us.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved.

The condition for an unsaved person to become saved is to believe.

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
Mat 13:10 -17

 

[One 2 question]

Many are called. Few are chosen.
Not everyone who says to me Lord,lord....

As in the days of Noah, who were called? Who were chosen to be saved on the ark? This floating vessel with limited space? Obviously not every human alive at that time, be it trillions, billions or even millions. And God only chose a male and female of every kind of animal. Again, what was God's intent here? Was God mean by not choosing to call ALL onto the ark?

 

[One 2 question]

The same Holy Spirit, (the Spirit of Grace), that empowers the unbeliever to confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised Him from the dead, will renew the mind and restore the soul, and bring sanctification to anyone who will yield to His leading, whether Jew or Gentile.


It starts with confessing with the mouth and believing in the heart God raised Him from the dead, in which they are saved, in which they are baptized into Christ by the Spirit.

Now the work of sanctification can begin, from within, by the Spirit.

So none seek God, no not one? So all are in a state of unbelief? Because Satan has blinded the eyes of everyone?

Are you saying that God had to introduce the Holy Spirit to convict the world, (all born in Adam and are blinded by Satan) of sin, righteousness and judgement to come? Then one can see, hear, believe, repent and believe in Jesus the Saviour?

 

[One 2 question]

Jesus also said if I be lift up I will draw ALL men unto me (John 12:32)

And Jesus will keep His promise. And Father is not willing that any should perish. But instead, that they will ALL repent and be saved.

Great news!

 

[JLB]

So none seek God, no not one? So all are in a state of unbelief? Because Satan has blinded the eyes of everyone?

Are you saying that God had to introduce the Holy Spirit to convict the world, (all born in Adam and are blinded by Satan) of sin, righteousness and judgement to come? Then one can see, hear, believe, repent and believe in Jesus the Saviour?

Here’s what I said -


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved.

The condition for an unsaved person to become saved is to believe.

 

[One 2 question]

God's Word does not teach limited atonement which you picked up from the calvinists

If it is limited, it's only limited for a time and for a very good reason.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The condition for an unsaved person to become saved is to believe.

Which is something the must choose to do, it is a good work that can only be done when one repents of their sin and submits themselves unto the Lord - so the works are done by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[JLB]

Which is something the must choose to do,

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but that is totally backwards from what the scriptures teach us.

No it's not, you just think so