Doctrinolatry - tribalism and division in the Body of Christ

[St. SteVen]

Won't Judgment Day be interesting!

That saw cuts both ways.

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[Jack]

That saw cuts both ways.

Indeed. Jesus KNOWS I'm pulling people out of the Fire! He will remember.

And He will remember every one of your Bible attacks too.

 

[St. SteVen]

Indeed. Jesus KNOWS I'm pulling people out of the Fire! He will remember.

You are not exempt from the fire.

Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.

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[Jack]

You are not exempt from the fire.

The fire? So now you're saying I'm going to Hell for being a Bible defender? But Stevie you said "I love the Bible"!

Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.

You are drastically confused. BILLIONS will burn in Hell FOREVER. Be careful what you choose. Jesus is gonna sort us all out. He knows everything including your ocean of Bible attacks.

 

[St. SteVen]

You forgot this part stevie, " And He will remember every one of your Bible attacks too."

I won't be penalized for telling the truth about the Bible.
You may be corrected for your bibliolatry however.

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[Jack]

I won't be penalized for telling the truth about the Bible.

You told some truth about the Bible? Links please. I'd love to see that.

You may be corrected for your bibliolatry however.

I'm just trying to pull you out of the fire stevie. You should thank me.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

Matthew 25:41-46
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life."

 

[Keiw]

Thank you for the apology. I appreciate that. Many here find it near impossible to apologize for what they said.

that goes for all

 

[Heart2Soul]

A follow-up to my Bibliolatry topic.

Doctrine becomes an idol when it is used to support tribalism and cause division in the Body of Christ.

Since doctrinal unity is impossible, allowing others to hold their own doctrinal opinions may be the only way to prevent division.

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Listen to what this young Christian preacher had to say about another preacher causing division in the church.

 

[St. SteVen]

Listen to what this young Christian preacher had to say about another preacher causing division in the church.

Wow!
That was smokin' hot. Thanks.
I agree 100%.

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[rwb]

Sure. Divisions are a part of the Creators plan. As we know that it is a part of Their plan and eternal purpose to reveal Themself to the principalities and powers of darkness. That They manifest Their manifold wisdom through the church as she exists and grows within the darkness, wickedness, opposite of those living in the darkness. In fact God had imagined and designed an opposing armed force who being led by Lucifer, would corrupt Their creation which was good. Lucifer, playing this new role as villain had to cause division so that his Creator could respond to the mess he made, thus revealing His manifold wisdom. What an amazing Creator is our God. A pure and complete Mastermind!

If not for the purpose of trying human hearts and minds, and helping man to come to believe our need of The Savior, the serpent, the spirit being, we know as Satan, was created by God to be more cunning and crafty, ability to deceive the human heart & mind that we might come to know His Great Love, as well as our great need for Him. Truly as said, "A pure and complete Mastermind!"

 

[JLB]

And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— Ephesians 4:11-15


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

 

[rwb]

You are using the wrong word. It was not a temptation, but a test. satan was the one who tempted. Gt your words correct.

God knew Adam and Eve would fall, but He did not coerce them to or force them to, He just knew they would. It was all part of His plan and teh counsel of the trinity in eternity past. That is far above all peoples pay grade and ability to wrap our pea brains around.

As we search throughout biblical history, we find that God has always used evil to test/try the hearts & minds of mankind, that He would use evil to accomplish His purpose of eternally saving many people. What man thinks to use for evil, God intends for GOOD!

 

[rwb]

The Creators created what They created and it either was made with the ability to become flawed or it didn't. We know now that They made it so it could become flawed. Some believe They made it so it would become flawed so They could fix it and restore it.

Should've They started again and remove Their creations potential to become flawed? Everything would be far better off if They did.

Anyway, it is what it is by Their design and for Their purpose. Glory to Them Who do all things according to the council of Their own will.

Isn't the reason God created man, then introduced a way by which man would be tempted and fall into sin and bring death through sin to creation, because His plan to eternally save His people is ordained in heaven that He would provide Himself a Savior, the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world?

 

[rwb]

it goes both ways though

One side attacks another side..

then on the other hand, a person is so offended that someone disagrees with somethign they said. They they go on the attack against the person who disagrees with them

You can not fight one and not fight the other.

Sad, but true! We go by the name of Christ, then forget that name 'Christian' and bite and slander one another forgetting we are to fight against false doctrine, and not against the 'person'.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Should not sovereignty come with responsibility?

For instance, if a highway engineer, created an intersection traffic light that displayed a green light (go signal)
for all approaching cars that ended in a deadly accident trap, who would be responsible?
- The automobile drivers that collided with one another?
- The crew that set the equipment in place? (who objected when the equipment test failed)
- The engineer that designed the intersection signal?

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So your solution would be for God not have created mankind? He gave them the right to choose (the only two humans made with free will BTW) and warned of teh consequences of them making the bad choice!

I cannot tell you why god has allowed all to work out the way it has so far, but it is a perfect plan because it comes froma perfect God.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Should not sovereignty come with responsibility?

For instance, if a highway engineer, created an intersection traffic light that displayed a green light (go signal)
for all approaching cars that ended in a deadly accident trap, who would be responsible?
- The automobile drivers that collided with one another?
- The crew that set the equipment in place? (who objected when the equipment test failed)
- The engineer that designed the intersection signal?

I cannot tell you why god has allowed all to work out the way it has so far, but it is a perfect plan because it comes froma perfect God.

Would you make the same statement about the the engineer of the faulty traffic intersection signal? (mentioned above)
We don't know why the automobile drivers collided with one another.
Nor can we blame the crew that set the equipment in place. (who objected when the equipment test failed)
It happened as a result of a perfect plan.

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[marks]

St. SteVen said:
Should not sovereignty come with responsibility?

For instance, if a highway engineer, created an intersection traffic light that displayed a green light (go signal)
for all approaching cars that ended in a deadly accident trap, who would be responsible?
- The automobile drivers that collided with one another?
- The crew that set the equipment in place? (who objected when the equipment test failed)
- The engineer that designed the intersection signal?

Would you make the same statement about the the engineer of the faulty traffic intersection signal? (mentioned above)
We don't know why the automobile drivers collided with one another.
Nor can we blame the crew that set the equipment in place. (who objected when the equipment test failed)
It happened as a result of a perfect plan.

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This is your analogy?

Apples and oranges, to say the very very least. To me this is ridiculous, comparing God's purposes to some roadwork buffoonery.

I guess that just shows where your head is at! Very sorry for you!

Much love!

 

[St. SteVen]

This is your analogy?

It seems that you would rather lay the blame on the automobile drivers that collided with one another.
As in, "Sinners send themselves to hell."

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[marks]

It seems that you would rather lay the blame on the automobile drivers that collided with one another.
As in, "Sinners send themselves to hell."

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Don't be ridiculous, even more so than you are being.

It seems to me your analogy is not a good fit. You constantly do fight against God!

 

[Behold]

St. SteVen said:
Should not sovereignty come with responsibility?

God's "Sovereingnty" does not include causing or preventing someone from Trusting in Christ on earth.