does the sinners prayer save you?
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Narrow is the way that leads to life, and few will find it. This is not talking about going to heaven. Revelation tells us there will be so many in heaven that no one can count, from every tribe, nation and tongue. Narrow is the way that leads to life--does not say eternal life. It's talking about that abundant life Christ promised believers. Most believers don't find that narrow gate, that's why there is so much destruction in the Church: sickness, disease, pain, suffering, unforgiveness, hatred, gossip, condemnation, judging, depression 'no peace'.
A person can be saved (going to heaven) and still not be at peace, and the Bible says that peace comes from knowing the Lord. You can know a lot about a person and still not know them personally, and by that I mean intimately.
I believe we will all be surprised by who gets into heaven, and surprised even more by who doesn't. I know I'm going, my trust is in Him and only Him. He's the only chance I've got.
There is a lot more I could say, but I'll save it for another post.
And what is this opinion of yours based on?
This is what I read of in the Bible:
Jas 5:16b The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
An effectual, fervent prayer moves God. A lip-service prayer does nothing.
No!
Of a righteous man. The only way you can be righteous is to follow Christ's example and teachings which include asking god for his Spirit. you have to receive His spirit before you are saved.
(Romans 10:4) There is righteousness for all who believe. I've never seen a verse that says we have to follow Christ's example to be righteous. I do believe our works will make us righteous before man, but not before the Father. It's faith that makes us righteous before The Father, and to Him our works righteousness is like filthy riags.
Faith is not a one time event just like one prayer cannot save anyone. What makes you think being a Christian is just about getting a ticket to heaven? Is there more in this life besides getting the ticket? Is God just handing out tickets and then saying, I will see you when you die?
Axehead
I don't think that. I do think that Right satanding before The Father is only by Faith. There is a difference between doing for the Father out of love, and doing so that the Father will love you, or bless you, or deem you righteous. I have faith, so I have works (actions) that prove or testify to my faith. But those works do not make me more righteous, neither a lack of those works make me (or anyone) less righteous. IT's not about being good or bad, it only about Jesus and He has done all He needs to do to make me righteous. It's a done deal. Now, I'm seated with Him in Heavenly realms. Just as He is, so are we (believers) in this world. The works of God is this: that you believe in the one He has sent.
That faith is in following Christ unless you wrote your own gospel. If you don't follow Christ then who's gospel is it that you follow? The works that Christ did will follow those who believe. Mouth service does not constitute belief.
We are saved by His Life. He is our Salvation.
Rom_5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
You are not saved by a prayer, a creed or a formula. You are saved by HIS LIFE.
Therefore we must received Him (John 1:12) and then abide in Him (John 15).
You must stay in Him and yield to Him that you may know Him and He may not say, "I never knew you".
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Axehead
Rom_5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
You are not saved by a prayer, a creed or a formula. You are saved by HIS LIFE.
Therefore we must received Him (John 1:12) and then abide in Him (John 15).
You must stay in Him and yield to Him that you may know Him and He may not say, "I never knew you".
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Axehead
I do follow Christ. I try to follow every example He led. I even pray for healing, I've even pray for the dead to be raised. I haven't had a chance yet to cast out demons but I'm willing and ready should the need arise. Just like He comanded in Mathew, Chapter 8 I believe??? But even if I didn't do these things my righteousness is still in Him and isn't based on me at all. There is no good thing in me save Him. Not even my works are good, only He is good. So, I don't focus on my works, or even my faith. I only focus on Him--actually that is my goal to only focus on Him. I'm not perfect at it yet, but He's still working on me. He is so patient and kind, gentle and meek. He really is amazing.
Just saying "a prayer" will not save you. If people honestly believe that repeating a set of words after someone will save them, then they believe in incantations...in short, witchcraft.
If you say a prayer...one example is that of the 'sinners prayer', where you acknowledge how sinful you are and how badly you need Jesus and that you will give your heart and life to him...and you really mean it...then yes, that will save you. The bible says that when we repent and believe in Him, we will be saved.
If you say a prayer...one example is that of the 'sinners prayer', where you acknowledge how sinful you are and how badly you need Jesus and that you will give your heart and life to him...and you really mean it...then yes, that will save you. The bible says that when we repent and believe in Him, we will be saved.
I liken the common Protestant thinking on the "sinner's prayer" to the Romanist teaching of infant baptism (the washing away of original sin). If infant baptism (or Romanist Baptism in general) were really that efficacious as taught why then does not the local vicar rent a fire truck, fill it with holy water, and drive down the street "baptising" everyone in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?
Just asking... ;)
Just asking... ;)
It is one thing to receive the Lord Jesus by receiving His death and resurrection for yourself, personally. But then, you must not stop there, you must walk in Him. There is much more to Christianity than a one time event, otherwise Jesus would not have emphasized that "disciples" should be made, (Matt 28).
One time event Christianity does not square with the Scriptures.
Axehead
One time event Christianity does not square with the Scriptures.
Axehead
There is no sinners prayer in the bible. You are saved when accept the crucifixion and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ by grace through your faith produced in a holy life!
there is so much religion in the body of Christ these days. Jesus said He would not reject anyone who comes to Him. Someone who is seeking forgiveness and trusts Christ for that forgivness, He will never turn away. A person doesn't have to understand, believe, know, or do anything else to have a place secured at His side in the Heavenly Places.
Look at all the different theologies just on this site. No one has perfect revelation; not one of us. But God said in His word that if you will believe you will be saved, not only you, but if your whole house believes, they will be saved, too.
Look at all the different theologies just on this site. No one has perfect revelation; not one of us. But God said in His word that if you will believe you will be saved, not only you, but if your whole house believes, they will be saved, too.
Amen Rand
But they have to come to Him, the true Christ. Not a false version of Him.
Another problem that you touched on is that "they don't believe". I can find many scriptures that say if you believe: you will. Since they don't it is apparent that they don't believe. Who believes the full Gospel of Christ? They are on their way to perfect revelation.
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