DOES WATER BAPTISM FORGIVE SINS?

[DJT_47]

Christ through Paul taught Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 is how believers are saved/sealed/justified.
Where's the water baptism requirement in there ?

Christ through Christ said

Mk16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[rvmb]

Christ through Christ said

Mk16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

As in Acts 9:10-15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 please show where Christ gave the same role of Apostle AND Minister as Paul to Mark to teach Salvation to Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11 believers today.
Can you do that DJ ?

 

[DJT_47]

As in Acts 9:10-15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 please show where Christ gave the same role of Apostle AND Minister as Paul to Mark to teach Salvation to Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11 believers today.
Can you do that DJ ?

No I can't cuz i have no idea what you are trying to say. If you're saying that there is more than one method of salvation, one fir one group and another method for a different group, and trying to justify that false doctrine by pitting scripture against scripture, you're very wrong. There is one faith, one Lord one baptism for all, back then and now. Scripture is consistent and does not contradict itself. The Mark scripture was Jesus own words as recorded by Mark not a gospel message that Mark created in his own words of his own thoughts or teaching. .

 

[rvmb]

No I can't cuz i have no idea what you are trying to say. If you're saying that there is more than one method of salvation, one fir one group and another method for a different group, and trying to justify that false doctrine by pitting scripture against scripture, you're very wrong. There is one faith, one Lord one baptism for all, back then and now. Scripture is consistent and does not contradict itself. The Mark scripture was Jesus own words as recorded by Mark not a gospel message that Mark created in his own words of his own thoughts or teaching. .

"No I can't cuz i have no idea what you are trying to say""
Because you don't understand what is being taught in :-
Acts 9:10-15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16

 

[DJT_47]

"No I can't cuz i have no idea what you are trying to say""
Because you don't understand what is being taught in :-
Acts 9:10-15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16

Teach me

 

[rvmb]

Teach me

Scripture does that when you read it

 

[DJT_47]

Scripture does that when you read it

Scripture does that when you read it

Yes it does so what is it you don't understand when you read Jesus own words as recorded in Mark 16:15-16? Those words of the Lord are very clear are they not?

Mk16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Belief and baptism are inextricably tied together by the conjunction "and".

Belief and baptism are both required for salvation.

 

[rvmb]

Yes it does so what is it you don't understand when you read Jesus own words as recorded in Mark 16:15-16? Those words of the Lord are very clear are they not?

Mk16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Belief and baptism are inextricably tied together by the conjunction "and".

Belief and baptism are both required for salvation.

""Yes it does so what is it you don't understand when you read Jesus own words as recorded in Mark 16:15-16?""
I understand that Acts 9-10:15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 teaches that Paul (NOT MARK) has the Christ given role of Apostle AND Minister to teach the Gospel Eph1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 to believers today.
What do you understand those verses teach ? :)

 

[DJT_47]

""Yes it does so what is it you don't understand when you read Jesus own words as recorded in Mark 16:15-16?""
I understand that Acts 9-10:15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 teaches that Paul (NOT MARK) has the Christ given role of Apostle AND Minister to teach the Gospel Eph1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 to believers today.
What do you understand those verses teach ? :)

Goodbye. You've clearly demonstrated you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[rvmb]

Goodbye. You've clearly demonstrated you don't know what you're talking about.

and you have ?

 

[Prycejosh1987]

I believe water baptism forgives sins. John the baptist baptised by water for this reason.

 

[rvmb]

I believe water baptism forgives sins. John the baptist baptised by water for this reason.

Did Jesus need forgiveness of sins ?
Where does Paul teach (Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4) that water baptism is required for a believer to be saved/justified/sealed ?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You can't pit scripture against scripture. If you take one only it will for sure appear to contradict another.

And that is what you are doing as well. But the verses I quote are absoluteds Believe and be saved.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I believe water baptism forgives sins. John the baptist baptised by water for this reason.

That was a different dispensation and for Israel to receive its kingdom. Not for entrance into the church.

 

[JesusFan]

Water baptism was to cleanse believing Israel to enter the earthly kingdom

You specified immersion in water, Where do you find instructions on water baptism?

The entry point into the Kingdom per ther NT Apostles was faith in Lord jesus, not water baptism

 

[DJT_47]

And that is what you are doing as well. But the verses I quote are absoluteds Believe and be saved.

I'm not doing anything of the kind; I'm considering ALL scripture on the subject, and when you do baptism is an absolute necessity of salvation as is belief and faith, repentance, confession of belief, AND immersion in water (baptism). All of the aforementioned.

 

[Doug]

The entry point into the Kingdom per ther NT Apostles was faith in Lord jesus, not water baptism

Thats true, but you said water baptism removed sin so we should know exactly how to do it, so where are all our specific instructions. Is it by immersion or sprinkling as an example

 

[DJT_47]

That was a different dispensation and for Israel to receive its kingdom. Not for entrance into the church.

Fyi regarding entry into the church

Acts 2:47

47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved

Read the entire text from 2:38. You clearly see the process. The Jews believed and were told to repent and be baptized

 

[JesusFan]

Fyi regarding entry into the church

Acts 2:47

47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved

Read the entire text from 2:38. You clearly see the process. The Jews believed and were told to repent and be baptized

Every NT example was water was applied after receiving Jesus as their Savior and Lord

 

[DJT_47]

Every NT example was water was applied after receiving Jesus as their Savior and Lord

Yes. After belief and faith, those who believed were then obedient to the gospel and were baptized into Christ, becoming not just believers, but Christians and children of God, and members of the body of Christ which is his church.