Funny, I live like that for over forty years, my gym is homemade with sticks and stones and water bottles.THAT IS THE MESSAGE HE IS GIVING US, THAT WE SHOULD ALL LIVE LIKE THAT?
Never read the scriptures as to why the poor are in our midst?
J.
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Funny, I live like that for over forty years, my gym is homemade with sticks and stones and water bottles.THAT IS THE MESSAGE HE IS GIVING US, THAT WE SHOULD ALL LIVE LIKE THAT?
Properly preaching the Cross is telling people Jesus died to give us both pardon for sin and power to obey. Contrary to popular antinomianists rhetoric, obedience or the lack thereof has never nor will ever be a means to and end, but is merely the outward evidence of our inward spiritual condition (1 John 2:3-4 KJV).Who said anything about preaching the Cross as a license TO hamartia?
J.
First OSAS now antinomianists...well, for starters, I am not an antinomian, secondly, I hold to once saved, always saved.Properly preaching the Cross is telling people Jesus died to give us both pardon for sin and power to obey. Contrary to popular antinomianists rhetoric, obedience or the lack thereof has never nor will ever be a means to and end, but is merely the outward evidence of our inward spiritual condition (1 John 2:3-4 KJV).
Lots of folks love Osteen and that's fine. In a live interview some years ago on Larry King Live, Osteen said they never mention the Cross of Christ, or sin. He said, "we don't want of offend anyone."
Does that qualify Osteen as a preacher of the Gospel? That is being ashamed to mention the Cross, the Blood, and sin.
You talk about preachers beating to death sin, I agree! But what about the so-called pastors (in name only) who refuse to mention it altogether? Paul has a name for such pastors, "hirelings." They are telling the congregation what they want to hear, and not "Thus saith the Lord!"
Osteen is not a pastor in any sense of the word, he is a motivational speaker pretending to be a pastor.
...and then go to Joel Osteen's Church with sugar-coated, watered down, not preaching the Cross, Christ Jesus Crucified and resurrected...
J.
but this man in your OP doesn't preach the cross.
he preaches works.
i listened to the whole 54+ minutes and i did not hear the gospel. i didn't hear him talk about Jesus Christ, Who He is, or what He has done & will do.
i heard him talk about what he thinks people should do, not about what anyone should believe.
the pharisees didn't produce disciples who were going around sinning and saying it didn't matter; they went around producing disciples who believed their 'good works' and personal-righteousness would justify themselves before God.
they did not make disciples who sought the mercy of God, but disciples who boasted in themselves over what they did & kept themselves from doing.
yes he said, people boast in their works and they shouldn't. that all we do amounts to an abomination before God, and that "self made integrity" won't commend us to God. but then he immediately talked about 'submission to the word of God' without defining it.
i didn't learn anything. he didn't talk about Jesus, but about people, the whole time. he didn't talk about the scripture. he talked about himself and what a good preacher he is, and about the listener, and how terrible they probably are, and about the 'others' who aren't even listening to his sermon, how terrible he thinks they all definitely are. there was no teaching. he did not add to my knowledge of God at all. he talked more about how there ought to be more preachers as cool as him than he did about anything else.
it was kind of the sermon-equivalent of a gangster-rap song.
i think there are more than two preachers in the world.
Who teaches that? I never heard that. Joseph was a carpenter, probably a good one, so he probably had a an average income as anyone else. He provided. They got stuck using a manger not because he was broke, but because all the rooms were taken - busy travel reason.Sadly, however, there are many prosperity preachers today who would like you to believe that Jesus was rich while here on earth
Listen, I didn't go to his church or any church that was selling the prosperity doctrine. I've never been rich nor had any desire to be rich. Actually I have always found contentment with what I had. So did Paul.Paul’s terse commentary in his first letter to Timothy regarding those who think godliness is a means to financial gain captures the essence of Christ’s numerous teachings on the dangers that accompany a heart bent on the accumulation of earthly treasure: “People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs” (1 Timothy 6:9–10).
Duh. Lighten up man, listen to whoever floats your boat. This guy you presented doesn't float mine.We are to imitate Christ, not Joel
Understand?
Duh?Duh. Lighten up man, listen to whoever floats your boat. This guy you presented doesn't float mine.
Well, why don't you preach Christ Jesus and Him crucified and resurrected?
it might do a world of difference in this lost and dying world. You might be the next reformer.
See, I know Wilkerson and his outreach ministry, and was in contact with him via letters.
You know anything re his ministry?
What was the header above the video clip?
Just so to let you know, I don't put David on a pedestal, he is not my "Isaac"
So sorry for wasting your precious time, 54+ minutes, if you want, listen to him preaching on the cross!
All glory to Christ Jesus.
J.
What about those who preach the Cross is a License to live like the world - the OSAS License to Sin?
I don't think you have a correct understanding of what the Bible means by a "seal". You're thinking along the lines of how a "lid" prevents the contents of a container from escaping, and so it's no wonder you are a OSAS believer - because you think once a person is "sealed in" with Christ, there's no getting out.First OSAS now antinomianists...well, for starters, I am not an antinomian, secondly, I hold to once saved, always saved.
Yeah?
Once you are sealed with the Holy Spirit AFTER the resurrection of our Lord and great God, Christ Jesus, you think you can be "unsealed..resealed.."
Eph 1:13 You, too, have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed in the Messiah, [Lit. in him] you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until God redeems his own possession [Lit. of the possession] for his praise and glory.
Eph 1:13 In Moshiach you also, having heard the message of HaEmes, the Besuras HaGeulah of Yeshu'at Eloheinu which is yours, having also come to emunah, received your chotam (seal) in Moshiach with the Ruach Hakodesh of havtachah (promise),
Eph 1:14 Who is bestowed as an eravon (pledge) of our nachalah (allotted inheritance, TEHILLIM 16:5-6), with a view to the Geulah of Hashem's own possession, to the tehilat kavod (praise of glory) of Him.
OJB
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Part of Speech: Verb
Tense: Aorist
Voice: Passive
Mood: Indicative
Person: second [you+]
Number: Plural
Ye were sealed (ἐσφραγίσθητε)
See on Joh_3:33; see on Rev_22:10. Sealed with the assurance of the Holy Spirit. Rom_8:16; 2Co_1:22; 2Ti_2:19.
Spirit of promise
Strictly, the promise. Denoting the promise as characteristic of the Holy Spirit: the Spirit which was announced by promise. See Act_2:16 sqq.; Joe_2:28; Zec_12:10; Isa_32:15; Isa_44:3; Joh_7:39; Act_1:4-8; Gal_3:14.
Vincent
5) "Ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise" (esphragisthete to pneumati tes epangelias to hagio) "With the Holy Spirit of promise." This seal is heaven’s stamp of eternal ownership of the sealed property, 2Ti_2:19; Eph_4:30. If salvation could ever be lost, it would have to be after the resurrection of the body of the believer; for until the redemption of the body (the purchased (paid for) possession of every believer), one is sealed. See also Rom_8:23.
Garner-Howes
Now, since we are Aorist, Passive..and I am surprised there is no Middle Voice...WERE SEALED..can that pledge be undone?
We all have our biases but right here, my eternal destiny, and yours is at stake, and I believe what the Scriptures are saying re my salvation, and nor what you say about MY salvation...might have veered off a little bit, but that's OK.
J.
Hey Post! You don't agree with 1 John 2:3-4 KJV that those who claim to be saved but refuse to keep God's commandments are liars and the truth which is Jesus is not in them?previously discussed.
slanderous, strawman false accusation predicated on a powerless, Christless soteriology based in human works & willpower devoid of any supernatural working of God.
the entire foundation of your faith rests upon a stubborn refusal to obey God's commandments
rely on a OSAS License to Sin
instead of merely trusting God
Once we understand that OSAS is christian religion for liberals, it all falls into place. It's why I spend less and less time with them.Lots of folks love Osteen and that's fine. In a live interview some years ago on Larry King Live, Osteen said they never mention the Cross of Christ, or sin. He said, "we don't want of offend anyone."
Does that qualify Osteen as a preacher of the Gospel? That is being ashamed to mention the Cross, the Blood, and sin.
You talk about preachers beating to death sin, I agree! But what about the so-called pastors (in name only) who refuse to mention it altogether? Paul has a name for such pastors, "hirelings." They are telling the congregation what they want to hear, and not "Thus saith the Lord!"
Osteen is not a pastor in any sense of the word, he is a motivational speaker pretending to be a pastor.
I can't get on board with this Pastor's critical and judgmental tone. I shy away from preachers that focus on sin too much, and hit you over the head with their Bibles - as if their teaching is purely led by the Holy Spirit. Sin needs to be addressed, just not so much a dominant theme so you're not leaving the church with this guilt trip that the Pastor lays on you _ all the time!
Saying you refuse to obey God's commandments is acceptable to the TOS because it's criticism of your own antinomianist words and admissions, not criticism of or an attack on your character.slander.
Labeling OSAS as a License to Sin is acceptable to the TOS because it's criticism of OSAS, not criticism of or an attack on your character.slander
Advising you to trust in God alone instead of a OSAS License to Sin is acceptable to the TOS because it's Christian counsel pertaining to an aspect of your faith I have shown to be unBiblical, not criticism of or an attack on your character.slander.
Once we understand that OSAS is christian religion for liberals, it all falls into place. It's why I spend less and less time with them.
This is the kind of dribble that says it all. Seriously, 'critical and judgmental tone'? Who talks like that? Baby liberals.
They hear one message against sinning amidst all the liberal christianity happy talk, and their tummies hurt. Who walks away guilty, when sinning is being preached against? The guilty.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
I listen to Osteen from time to time, and I've been to the church there, and so long as someone at least speaks the name of Jesus, I'm happy with it, But I don't try to live on that stuff. It's christian cake. Who wants cake and candy all the time? Babies.
OSAS is once a babe always a baby. Paul warns babies about never growing up and going on to righteousness, and stop the playtime christianity, that never just repents of sinning already.
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
That's the whole tone and 'dominant theme' of Matthew 23. Jesus preached more about hypocrisy of sinners going to hell than anyone else in the Bible.
The christ these people seek is not named Jesus. They 'shy away' from that Christ.
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Well, why don't you preach Christ Jesus and Him crucified and resurrected?
First OSAS now antinomianists...well, for starters, I am not an antinomian, secondly, I hold to once saved, always saved.
Yeah?
Once you are sealed with the Holy Spirit AFTER the resurrection of our Lord and great God, Christ Jesus, you think you can be "unsealed..resealed.."
i'm certainly not antinomian, nor do i believe anyone is saved apart from the supernatural, effective work of God in them, literally regenerating them and sanctifying their hearts.
the whole 'OSAS' and 'license to sin' attack is a spurious false accusation against people who have put their trust in God rather than themselves. it's predicated on a strawman false-soteriology, supposing God does not operate in those He saves, that it is a human work of willpower only, that God fails to save those He saves, does not seal them, does not redeem them, but that their salvation is both initiated by human willpower, kept by human willpower, and undone by human willpower, all wholly separate from any actual input from God.
however Biblical salvation, as described for example in Ephesians, as you drew to our attention, is a work of God, not of men - just as the circumcision which is effective is not done by human hands ((Colossians 2)). it is by faith in Christ and His finished work; His faithfulness to complete in us what He began. the slanderous false accusations of these people shouting 'license to sin' is a direct accusation against us of sin - without cause other than our professed belief in the grace of God through Jesus Christ - and it is a direct assault on the saving power of God.