Earth millions of years Old

[treeoflife]

(followerofchrist;50510)
Please do not LIMIT God with such petty statements. Saying God couldn't answer our prayers before we die no matter the time scale is down right insulting and ridiculous!!!!I find the the only people who limit God's infinite nature, in the true sense of the word that we should not limit God, are those who have created an equation why which God understands and interacts with His creation in the demension of time. EI, those individuals who says that 1 day to man = 1,000 years to God. However, those who believe that God literally meant what one would literally understand as a day = a day, believe that God's infinite qualities are maintained, because there is no equation for Him. He is outside of time and is not only fully capable of doing it in a day, but did it in a day just as it states. He had a purpose for doing it in six days, and that's the only reason He took SO LONG. He could have done it in a "twinkling of an eye," if He saw it to be good. But, He didn't... He took six days, and one day to rest. Again, not because He needed time to rest... but that He was painting a picture, for us, that we might know Him.I do not believe that God is able to be boxed into any amount of time scale at all. To say that 1 day to man = 1,000 years to God is a limiting factor on God's inifite character that literal 6-day creationists do not do.But I ask that all here try as hard as it may be, to be open to ALL ideas! Once recieved compare it to scripture and if it adds up accept it. But most importantly, PRAY!!! The Holy Spirit is the key to fully understanding scripture, without it we are lost.Many of us have been open to ALL ideas, but as we progress, we make choices and if we have believed on Christ, He significantly narrows our ideas to the truth (hopefully, ultimately all truth), which is based around His Word. This is the struggle. It is also a danger to remain TOO open to ALL ideas as He gives us His Word, no? Salvation, for example, is a narrow path and Christ Himself (the narrow path) compared it as such.
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[treeoflife]

Well, consider this... when God said, "Let there be light," on the very first day, He had not yet created the Sun. He didn't do that until later. So, where did the light come from? Curious... no Sun (or stars)... so where is the light coming from?God is light (1 John 1:5). God was the light before He created the Sun to give the Earth light. God determined what a day on Earth would be before He created the Sun (see the creation even in Genesis 1). Since then, we have calculated how many seconds... minutes... and hours it is for our own tracking. But, a "day" was simply sun up and sun down, as God replaced Himself (as the light) with the Sun.And, after each day of creation God says, "and there was evening and morning, the # day..."

 

[Jordan]

(treeoflife;50461)
There is if you go by the Genesis account, and the years given to us in the geneologies listed in the Bible, from Adam (first man), to Jesus. We may not be able to say with certainty the EXACT day, but pretty close. Though, Adam didn't have a calendar in his day

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I half-agree with this... And yes there are a minor confusion in it... Yes the account of Adam to Christ, yes that is true... But the thing is, I don't believe that Adam was the first man on Earth at all. There were people existed before Adam did. (Genesis 1:26-28) Adam existed on Genesis 2:7.Adam was just the "first" man for Christ to come through...not the "first" man on Earth though.

 

[Faithful]

When I read Genesis, I do not read it in the knowledge and wisdom of mans ability to understand. I read it in the knowledge of whom the real God is and what the wisdom of God reveals to me.When God created the world he spoke it into being. The Lord God said and it was. When he created man how was old was Adam when he was created? Was he a baby or an embryo or was he created a fully formed adult? When God created the world did he make an earth that had to wait the millions of years or did he make it mature like Adam and the animals to sustain the life he created?There are two things I am sure about. 1) God cannot and does not lie anywhere in his word the Holy Scriptures the Old Testament. That understanding and true wisdom comes from believing what he teaches in faith.So the earth appears millions of years old. How old did he create it to be? It needed to be mature to sustain life.So with God nothing is impossible and the big bang theory remains that, a theory which is manmade.I am not asking you to believe me. I am asking you to seek God and ask yourself, is God a liar. Then there is where your faith begins and ends. In the truth.That every word of God is what we live by. In, 2 Thessalonians 2:10-13 (King James Version) 10.And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12.That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13.But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:Faith does not question the truth of Gods words believers live by them. Because understanding comes from faith in what God teaches us. Not what man teaches us about Gods Truth. I hope you will keep yourselves in the true knowledge of love of God. Knowing that the world was created as it is, by God to be as it appears.Faithful..

 

[treeoflife]

Another good point. When God made a tree... it would appear to us that it is a older, mature tree... and Adam, a mature man. God created to world in a mature state. Which is just one of many many reasons dating systems will never get it right.The world was obviously created in an "old" state (like Adam) in order to sustain life. Good point.

 

[Christina]

The first earth age has nothing to do with creation week it ceased to exist before the creation week ever started so the above logic doesn't apply. The first earth age was when we (all souls were created NOT FLESH) And then the World became void and without form, Then God said let there be light.Where do you think he foreknew us from?? Where do you think science gets the age of dinosaurs from? Where do you think astronomers measure how long the light from the stars take to reach us ?? Are you saying the speed of light is wrong also?? Where do you think geologists get how long it takes to form a mountain or a diamond?? are they wrong also?Seems we will call everyone wrong but our Sunday school teachers We will ignore the hebrew,We will mistranslated 2 Peter, call all science wrong, deny common sense,put God in our little human box, all to hang on to our safe little Sunday school teachings.It mystifies me how much energy some put in trying to disprove what doesn't change anything about ones faith in our Lord, Just because it wasn't what was taught before knowledge of these things increased. This isn't a matter of ones salvation or effect what takes place in our scriptures. Yet for some reason seems to be so threatening to some they will go to any lenghth to deny it reguardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary. Each to his own for myself I think this proves just how awesome God really is and how little we know God says he will make a New heaven and New earth and a third world age So I have no doubts if he says he will do it again he did it before. There is nothing New under the Sun what was done before will be done again these are Gods Words and I have no doubt they are 1000% true whether men understand it or not it is written.

 

[Jordan]

(treeoflife;50561)
Another good point. When God made a tree... it would appear to us that it is a older, mature tree... and Adam, a mature man. God created to world in a mature state. Which is just one of many many reasons dating systems will never get it right.The world was obviously created in an "old" state (like Adam) in order to sustain life. Good point.
Another note: Trees are usually referred to men in many areas of the scriptures.

 

[followerofchrist]

Why does the first post on this page have a quote from me that I never said??

 

[RaddSpencer]

(followerofchrist;50573)
Why does the first post on this page have a quote from me that I never said??
I actually said that.It must be a screw-up in the quote system (I guess).

 

[Jordan]

(followerofchrist;50573)
Why does the first post on this page have a quote from me that I never said??
Also note that if you click that orange box inside that quote "from you" it also shows the wrong posts.Either1. A simple error2 to create confusions / accusations...

 

[Christina]

Follower I think Radd trying to put words in your mouth:)

 

[followerofchrist]

(kriss;50577)
Follower I think Radd trying to put words in your mouth:)
YES, that must be it. I can speak for myself Radd thankyou very much. haha jk

 

[Faithful]

If John 4:22-24 (King James Version) 22.Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23.But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.Is correct then being in Truth is a proof of having salvation.For Christ makes it clear that true worshippers will worship God in Spirit and Truth. Science is not compatible with truth, for to be in truth you must believe every word of God and live by it.Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.Christ spoke these words and God spoke through Moses about Christ saying- Deuteronomy 18:17-19 (King James Version) 17.And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18.I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.God himself saying through Christ that we live by every word from his mouth and Christ witnessed the same truth.Science has no proof but manmade proof. We only have Gods words and we only have a scientists words. But the decison is who do you believe. God or a man the scientist. Who cannot even tell you how we came to be here.I think we have to listen to God and decide who is telling us the truth. God is the only one who hasn't lied so far.Faithful.

 

[Christina]

Thats not even the question your post dosent even address the Point of what the problem is It is what you believe and understand about Gods Word not whether or not we should take it over scieince that obvious its why we do not believe in evolution. but to throw all science down the drain because one is wrong is folly.I can show one 2 Peter where he says there was three world ages I can show you hebrew that says the earth became void I can show you scripture that says he will make a third age (new heaven and eath)But it makes no difference one will still deny God said, it even though he did.Why? because one will choose to hear men over God because of what they have been told/taught by men. Science is only a second witrtness to what God said. my point was that men choose to hear men in spite of What God says and scientific evidence only backups his Words .

 

[Wakka]

(kriss;50625)
Thats not even the question It is what you believe God said I can show you 2 Peter where he says there was three world ages I can show you hebrew that says the earth became void I can show you scripture that says he will make a third age (new heaven and eath)but it makes no difference one will deny God said it even though he did.Why because one will choose to hear men over God because of what they have been told by men. Science is only a second witrtness to what God said. my point was that men choose to hear men in spite of What God says and scientific evidence proves. .
But it's not following man. It's following the Bible. I choose to believe that the earth was created in 6 days, like Genesis tells me. I do not like to wander off into my own little tangent. I also choose to follow what 2,000 years of Christians have followed. And what 4000? years of Jews have followed.

 

[Christina]

You choose because thats what you were taught thats my point it is not what the bible says its what you choose to believe it says because you have been told it says that by whom?? men Knowlegde has increased do you think those 2000 year old Christians understood the speed of light??? Do you believe the earth is the center of universe??No of course not could the ancients use science to discover the age of a thing??? No so you claim that they thought a thing doesnt hold water you believe it for one reason MEN TOLD YOU THAT and you choseThats the one and only reason because God says differnt you just choose not to see it.

 

[Wakka]

NOT BECAUSE of what MEN TOLD ME. But because I read it in the Bible. Right now, MEN ARE TELLING ME TO BELIEVE IN AN OLD EARTH.

 

[Christina]

One can Deny because of mens words all one wants but this is Gods Word you can say it doesnt mean what it says you can chose to follow men whatever one chooses as your reason but God says differnt. 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; Noahs flood did not affect the heavens and was never hid from anybody 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] 8 But, ye most dear, this one thing be not hid to you [be not unknown], that one day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years be as one day [and a thousand years as one day].

 

[Wakka]

(kriss;50627)
You choose because thats what you were taught thats my point it is not what the bible says its what you choose to believe it says because you have been told it says that by whom?? men Knowlegde has increased do you think those 2000 year old Christians understood the speed of light??? Do you believe the earth is the center of universe??No of course not could the ancients use science to discover the age of a thing??? No so you claim that they thought a thing doesnt hold water you believe it for one reason MEN TOLD YOU THAT and you choseThats the one and only reason because God says differnt you just choose not to see it.
(kriss;50630)
One can Deny because of mens words all one wants but this is Gods Word you can say it doesnt mean what it says you can chose to follow men whatever one chooses as your reason but God says differnt. 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; Noahs flood did not affect the heavens and was never hid from anybody 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] 8 But, ye most dear, this one thing be not hid to you [be not unknown], that one day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years be as one day [and a thousand years as one day].
I'm taking God's word as it is literally. Kriss, are you calling me a heathen?

 

[treeoflife]

(kriss;50627)
You choose because thats what you were taught thats my point it is not what the bible says its what you choose to believe it says because you have been told it says that by whom?? men Knowlegde has increased do you think those 2000 year old Christians understood the speed of light??? Do you believe the earth is the center of universe??No of course not could the ancients use science to discover the age of a thing??? No so you claim that they thought a thing doesnt hold water you believe it for one reason MEN TOLD YOU THAT and you choseThats the one and only reason because God says differnt you just choose not to see it.
Kriss, the problem with that is I don't believe that the earth was created in six days because that is what men teach... I believe it because that is what the account in Genesis says. I can't stress it enough. Morning, and evening... the first day. Morning and evening... the second day.It's still there, right now. Regardless of what anyone is teaching, that is what God's Word says. Morning and evening... morning and evening... morning and evening... every single time a day is described... morning and evening is there. The only way a person can arrive at a 1,000 year date is by applying a verse which is obviously a metephore for how time is meaningless to God, being outside of time. Peter only repeated it because He was repeating what was in scripture.If I told you, "Remember, the Lord's righteousness is like a mighty mountain," do you suppose I am telling you the Lord's righteousness is literally a mountain? And that we should now say all mountains = God's righteousness? No. I am calling to rememberence a psalm which was a metephore then, and is a metephore still.With all do respect, you need to get off the "That's what men taught you" thing because that is simply not true. I believe what I read in God's Word, and take the days (which are morning and evening) literally just as intended.