There is a major fault that runs through the Jordan valley, and the dead sea to the red sea. This fault begins where the major quakes of Late have been in Turkey and Syria. Prophecy speaks of Great quakes in the city of Jerusalem.... Are we heading for that time?
Earthquakes in Syria and turkey heading towards Jerusalem.
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Scriptural references would help.
However, In the New Testament the translators have translated the Greek word 'Seismos," which is better understood to have the meaning of "turmoil" as "earthquake" which is not in keeping with the context of the scripture passage in question. In Matt 8:24 the Greek word "Seismos", which is translated elsewhere in the NT as earthquake, is translated as "tempest".
"And suddenly a great tempest arose on the sea, so that the boat was covered with the waves. But He was asleep."
A better paraphrasing would read: - "And suddenly great turmoil arose in the sea, such that the boat was covered with the waves. But He was asleep.
In fact, every variation of G:4578 that appears in the NT is best understood to have the meaning of turmoil. As such earthquakes are not a sign that can be used to indicate that the End Times is upon us or drawing to a close. However, occurence of great turmoil may indicate the End times is unfolding.
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev. 6:12
And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. Rev. 11:13
Ah David. It seems that you have not understood my previous post.
In both passages, it is talking about the turmoil that comes about through conflict between people.
7000 people in jerusalem die in turmoil.... I think the translators got earthquake right.
David, as I said, it seems to me that you have not understood my previous post. When there is turmoil between people this is a conflict, often called a war, that results in building being destroyed and many people dying. This is the turmoil that comes out of a spiritual battle.
Both Revelation references that you quoted above confirm this understanding.
Davy
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If so, it will NOT be about the great earthquake that is to occur when Lord Jesus returns, with His feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives and a great valley being formed there.
The coming pseudo-Christ is likely to mimic Christ's return using an 'earthquake' of his own.
An EASY way to know the coming pseudo-Christ is not Lord Jesus is this: if those of us still alive on earth then are not 'changed' at the 'twinkling of an eye' at Messiah's coming like Apostle Paul taught on that day of the "last trump", then we will know that first Messiah coming will be false, and not our Lord Jesus Christ.
ButterflyJones
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I agree scriptural support is a plus here.
As to the question, we shall know when the secular news breaks.
We have the capacity, not just the U. S but others, to cause quakes and weather phenomenon. We've long sought to play God. Now, it appears we've arrived as close as humanly possible.
As a friend says, don't let fear get you down. Stay prayed-up.
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Are you saying these earthquakes are man made? Are you saying this is all planned out?
I Am merely pointing out that these could lead to the major quake in Jerusalem? That fault has been relatively quiet until now.
It's not fear, but a longing to see Him face to face that motivates me.
Davy
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Then you should be watching the Signs Lord Jesus gave us leading up to His future coming which He gave in His Olivet discourse (Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21). And the Signs He gave in His Revelation, like Rev.11 about a standing Jewish temple built in Jerusalem with God's two witnesses appearing there and prophesying all the way up to within three and one half days of Christ's return.
You're looking for a physical temple when we are that temple now and the abomination of desolation is the pride of man standing in his own heart declaring himself God. The signs are all around but the proud man cannot see them, for they live in doubt of the second coming. Whether those signs are physical such as this or the Euphrates drying up, or the 2000 year old date Palms blossoming and bearing fruit (The ones Jesus cursed), or Spiritual such as love growing cold in our society Because of divisiveness and manipulation being exalted... Or conversely the revivals that are starting among the young who are realizing they are being fed a lie (The latter rain). Not to mention that everything in the Bible is pointing to this being the season. The war against the saints is about to begin, are you ready?
ButterflyJones
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I guess I'm saying when men endeavor to exercise control over the whole of the world, be through politics, social programming, economics, human policies,like euthanasia,abortion, wars, what have you, if they find they can also exercise control over nature, as we do now in exploiting her, then no thing is out of that realm of reach.
Also, if we reflect upon the aftermath on 911, laws passed that infringed on rights we'd enjoyed prior and even took for granted, incarcerations without the benefit of proper exercise of jurisprudence, etc ... And especially those who were OK with all that and more just to "feel safe" , that those in control of the world and the mechanisms they employ to exercise that control are well aware by now how easy it is to get the people to follow any narrative they lay out. Especially fear narratives. Scare us, keep us safe, we'll obey.
So when the world religions Eschatology narratives are published all these centuries, and the technology now exists to manifest those prophecies, I think it to our benefit to consider the question.
What better way to control people on the whole if the signs they've looked for regarding the end of the world for the three major faiths, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, start to occur countless minds will be led to believe the worst. Or, the best.
And yet, as 911 showed us, fear of the many leads to exploring mortal leadership to bring salvation from that fear.
These quakes in Turkey are out of the blue.
And yet the fault line leads to the lands held sacred by the world's three major faiths. And signs such as these can, as you observed, lead people to imagine prophecy is being fulfilled. Because all those predecessor signs all these years before have been brought to our attention as the stepping stones for the big picture in prophecy.
The second coming of our Jesus, that if Muhammad for Muslims, or even the first arrival of the Messiah the Jews would recognize as such.
Remember the news years after Tupac died regarding his forthcoming concert?
It was a concert featuring an amazing 3D Hologram of Tupac performing on stage.
NASA has such a thing but it is far more advanced. It's known as Project Blue Beam.
And this was made public years ago. It has no doubt been improved or something more advanced has surpassed it.
Government officials, for what their word is worth, have said by the time such weapons or technology is let out to our attention it has actually been in service for years prior.
Imagine if this quake series does penetrate the fault line all the way to Jerusalem.
Imagine Blue Beam projecting here, over Israel, over Mecca, the images of the return of the 3 prophets held dear by the three major faiths in the area.
What would people do?
And being it isn't actually God at work but man, what comes next per prophecy?
Armageddon?
World war?
Look at what the bear is up to now.
And the eagle.
Religion controls minds and hearts.
Politicians, world manipulators , control mind and hearts.
People are controlled by both. And religion, our religion, tells us to obey those God out in power over us. As does Judaism and Islam.
Just my thoughts watching how things have unfolded since the turn of the century.
Davy
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Sorry, but your preacher is lying to you, and no doubt doesn't understand the Revelation 11 chapter any more than you do, nor about that "temple of God" that Apostle Paul said the coming false one will sit in is about.
The "temple of God" of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is NOT... the spiritual temple of Ephesians. I'll tell you why.
It is because per Paul in Ephesians 2, Jesus Christ is The CORNERSTONE of the spiritual temple, and His Apostles and the prophets are its base foundation. Per Peter those in Christ are 'lively stones' in it. What does this mean? IT MEANS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY MAN TO CORRUPT THE SPIRITUAL TEMPLE OF CHRIST. If that could happen, it would mean Jesus Himself could be corrupted! So those men you listen to on that (and those who created that doctrine lie) couldn't escape out of a wet paper bag when it comes to understanding in God's Word! What a shame!
I mean, this is such an elementary idea about Christ's Church being the spiritual temple in The SPIRIT that it should be automatically understood by EVERY Christian that it CANNOT EVER BE CORRUPTED. If someone falls away and becomes corrupted they are simply 'cut off' from The Church of The Spirit, i.e., the spiritual temple!
Thus Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 was referring to a STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM for the end. And so was Lord Jesus in His Olivet discourse as He said when His servants there 'see' the "abomination of desolation" "stand" in the "holy place" (temple), to get out of Judea! (Matthew 24:15)
Just an interesting coincidence, the river euphrates runs through the epicenter of these earthquakes, and there were four 7 + earthquakes in the region.
Ziggy
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Man has created new weapons that can devastate the earth. HAARP for instance.
There is some "political" disagreement between NATO and Turkey about taking part in the Ukraine war.
Turkey wants a peaceful solution.
It is possible that the "powers" that be want to beat Turkey into submission.
These are thos kinds of "signs" we have to take with a grain of salt that they come from God.
Does God know about these signs, sure.
But how do we interpret them.
Signs and wonders that the world creates to beat us into submission, or an act of God?
We are in the time of great deception. The devil knows the playbook too and is trying to force prophecy in it's own time.
Mat 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I suppose it depends on who's causing the quaking.
Pray for Turkey and Syria. They are in the center of a spiritual and physical storm.
Hugs
There is some "political" disagreement between NATO and Turkey about taking part in the Ukraine war.
Turkey wants a peaceful solution.
It is possible that the "powers" that be want to beat Turkey into submission.
These are thos kinds of "signs" we have to take with a grain of salt that they come from God.
Does God know about these signs, sure.
But how do we interpret them.
Signs and wonders that the world creates to beat us into submission, or an act of God?
We are in the time of great deception. The devil knows the playbook too and is trying to force prophecy in it's own time.
Mat 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I suppose it depends on who's causing the quaking.
Pray for Turkey and Syria. They are in the center of a spiritual and physical storm.
Hugs
ButterflyJones
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They took HAARP off-line for awhile to upgrade it. Now it's more powerful than before.
And for years now both America and China have had so called weather machines. Supposedly China's is more powerful. Of course it's likely China that makes that claim.
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