Embracing Doctrinal Diversity - Unity in diversity

[St. SteVen]

If you can't answer yes or no, then you should see that you are wrong.

It was obviously a loaded question.
Do you have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of the complexity of this issue?

Nope. Just a B+W issue to you. A binary mindset. A yes, or no answer demanded.
Should we take them out behind the church and shoot them?
What are you suggesting as a solution?

And here is something else: You said I cherry-picked Leviticus 18:22. Okay, how many times does God has to say something before you obey?

1) To whom was it written?
2) When was it written?
3) For what purpose was it written?
4) Did you read the whole chapter yet?
5) What about "rival wives"? (polygamy)

Do you really think you can grab any verse out of the Bible and use it for your own purposes?
I suppose you do. Please correct me if I am wrong about you. Thanks.

 

[St. SteVen]

If you can't answer yes or no, then you should see that you are wrong.

Seen this?

The restoration of Sodom and Gomorrah from "eternal" fire Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. Zephaniah 2:9 Therefore, as surely as I live" declares the Lord Almighty; the God of Israel, “surely Moab will become like Sodom, the Ammonites like Gomorrah— a place of weeds and salt pits; a wasteland forever. The remnant of my people will plunder them; the survivors of my nation will inherit their land.” Ezekiel 16:53 “‘However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them,

 

[Bob Estey]

It was obviously a loaded question.
Do you have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of the complexity of this issue?

Nope. Just a B+W issue to you. A binary mindset. A yes, or no answer demanded.
Should we take them out behind the church and shoot them?
What are you suggesting as a solution?

1) To whom was it written?
2) When was it written?
3) For what purpose was it written?
4) Did you read the whole chapter yet?
5) What about "rival wives"? (polygamy)

Do you really think you can grab any verse out of the Bible and use it for your own purposes?
I suppose you do. Please correct me if I am wrong about you. Thanks.

God said homosexuality is an abomination. However, the Bible teaches us that Satan rules the world, and Satan says that is hate speech. I've decided to believe God.

 

[St. SteVen]

God said homosexuality is an abomination. However, the Bible teaches us that Satan rules the world, and Satan says that is hate speech. I've decided to believe God.

You write, "... the Bible teaches us that Satan rules the world, and Satan says that is hate speech..."
That's quite a leap. So, everything outside your tribe is Satan?

Is calling homosexuality an abomination NOT hate speech because you found a verse in Deuteronomy that says it is?

- Are homosexuals not allowed to enter your church?
- If you met a homosexual would you refuse to even talk to them?
- Would you judge them according to a verse you found in Deuteronomy?

That chapter in Deuteronomy does not call polygamy an abomination, except in the case
of marrying your wife's sister and having sex with both of them at the same time.

What does the world (Satan) say?

 

[Bob Estey]

You write, "... the Bible teaches us that Satan rules the world, and Satan says that is hate speech..."
That's quite a leap. So, everything outside your tribe is Satan?

Is calling homosexuality an abomination NOT hate speech because you found a verse in Deuteronomy that says it is?

- Are homosexuals not allowed to enter your church?
- If you met a homosexual would you refuse to even talk to them?
- Would you judge them according to a verse you found in Deuteronomy?

That chapter in Deuteronomy does not call polygamy an abomination, except in the case
of marrying your wife's sister and having sex with both of them at the same time.

What does the world (Satan) say?

So it's a matter of who are you going to believe - God or Satan?

 

[charity]

Subject Heading:- Embracing Doctrinal Diversity - Unity in diversity​

In the same way we have learned to understand and respect cultural diversity,
we should learn to understand and respect doctrinal diversity.

Can Catholics and Protestants respect one another despite our doctrinal differences? (yes)
What about Baptists and Pentecostals? (yes) You name it. How far apart can we get?

Build bridges, not walls.

'Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.'
(2Tim. 2:15)

'And the servant of the Lord must not strive;
but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God peradventure will give them repentance
to the acknowledging of the truth;
And that they may recover themselves
out of the snare of the devil,
who are taken captive by him at his will.'
(2Tim. 2:24-26)

 

[charity]

Subject Heading:- Embracing Doctrinal Diversity - Unity in diversity​

In the same way we have learned to understand and respect cultural diversity,
we should learn to understand and respect doctrinal diversity.

Can Catholics and Protestants respect one another despite our doctrinal differences? (yes)
What about Baptists and Pentecostals? (yes) You name it. How far apart can we get?

Build bridges, not walls.

(1Co 4:1) Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
(1Co 4:2) Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
(1Co 4:3) But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
(1Co 4:4) For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
(1Co 4:5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
(1Co 4:6) And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
(1Co 4:7) For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

 

[marks]

I just want a yes or no answer. Was God wrong when he said homosexuality is an abomination?

God was not wrong.

Of course!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Maybe we could work out a trade?

I'll say yes, that verse says that, if you agree the chapter approves of polygamy (rival wives)
in a culture where women were property and slave girls were concubines. (no disapproval by God)

Yes, or no?

Approves? Or regulates?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Nope. Just a B+W issue to you. A binary mindset. A yes, or no answer demanded.

Do you approve of homosexuality?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Is calling homosexuality an abomination NOT hate speech because you found a verse in Deuteronomy that says it is?

You then accuse God of your so-called "hate speech".

Guess who will have the last laugh?

Much love!

 

[St. SteVen]

So it's a matter of who are you going to believe - God or Satan?

No, it's a matter of you not understanding the purpose of the proof-text you cherry-picked to support your politics.

 

[Bob Estey]

No, it's a matter of you not understanding the purpose of the proof-text you cherry-picked to support your politics.

God said homosexuality is an abomination. Either you believe him or you don't.

 

[St. SteVen]

God said homosexuality is an abomination. Either you believe him or you don't.

Actually Moses said that... - LOL

Since we seem to be caught in the spin cycle here...
1) To whom was it written?
2) When was it written?
3) For what purpose was it written?
4) Does it apply today? To whom? Same audience?
5) Did you read the whole chapter yet?
6) What about "rival wives"? (polygamy)

 

[St. SteVen]

God said homosexuality is an abomination. Either you believe him or you don't.

That was a package deal.
It came with polygamy, women as property, and slave girl concubines.

Are you still sure you want it?

 

[Bob Estey]

Actually Moses said that... - LOL

Since we seem to be caught in the spin cycle here...
1) To whom was it written?
2) When was it written?
3) For what purpose was it written?
4) Does it apply today? To whom? Same audience?
5) Did you read the whole chapter yet?
6) What about "rival wives"? (polygamy)

The Bible says that God said that.

 

[Bob Estey]

That was a package deal.
It came with polygamy, women as property, and slave girl concubines.

Are you still sure you want it?

Either you believe God or you don't.

 

[St. SteVen]

The Bible says that God said that.

1) To whom was it written?
2) When was it written?
3) For what purpose was it written?
4) Does it apply today? To whom? Same audience?
5) Did you read the whole chapter yet?
6) What about "rival wives"? (polygamy)

 

[St. SteVen]

Either you believe God or you don't.

How are you doing on your list?

Matthew 10:8 NIV
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons.
Freely you have received; freely give.

 

[Bob Estey]

1) To whom was it written?
2) When was it written?
3) For what purpose was it written?
4) Does it apply today? To whom? Same audience?
5) Did you read the whole chapter yet?
6) What about "rival wives"? (polygamy)

It doesn't matter to whom it was written. He was simply stating a fact: Homosexuality is an abomination (Leviticus 18:22).