how could Jesus exist before John?
Ideal preexistence.
John was conceived first???
Yes. John was six months older than Jesus, his cousin.
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how could Jesus exist before John?
John was conceived first???
cos Christ’s redemption is complete
Saturday October 13th, 1974 around 9 am.
You sound just like the Pharisees! they had their volumes of Canon Law and this is what Jesus had to say about their dogma:
Mark 7:3-13
King James Version
3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
Pay close attention to verse 7!
Romanism is going to hear these worda bvout their volumes of Canon Law and dogma!
As solomon wrote- there is nothing new under the sun. And to paraphrase in todays vernacular- what goes around comes around!
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Ideal preexistence.
Yes. John was six months older than Jesus, his cousin.
What do people who have been dead for thousands of years need their decayed bodies raised for?
They’ve done without them for a long time. You say they speak, so what need do they have of a mouth and tongue? You say they act, so what need do they have of a brain/mind? Do they move around? If so, what need have they for legs and feet? You say they see, so what need have they for eyes? Do they breathe? If so, what need do they need with a nose and lungs? Do they have hair? If so, what do they need with hair? Do they eat? If so, what need have they of teeth, a throat and a stomach? You say they hear, so what do they need with ears?
then Jesus is divine eternal God and the trinity is true Christians doctrine that is revealed by Hod and taught by his church for salvation!
the redemption must be complete
Total restoration
not according to eph 2
it says we were saved over two thousand years ago
those are not dogma not commandments of God or revelation from God as dogma is yet they were successors of Moses have the keys of kingdom authority and the power to bind and loose and Christ commanded them to be obeyed!!!
This was later taken from them Matt 21:43 and given to the church Matt 16:18-19 & 18:19 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20 and the successors of Peter and the apostles MUST BE OBEYED!!!
Councils, creeds, dogma’s, catechisms and decrees of the church are binding on all the faithful and are the teaching of Christ!!!
Lk 10:16 16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Jn 20:21 as the Father sent me, so I send you! (The apostles and their successors have the SAME mission, ministry, power, and authority as Jesus Christ!
To reject Christ teaching authority in his church is to reject Christ! Lk 10:16
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as "a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding on all the faithful, Dogma is the divinely revealed truth, declared as such by the infallible teaching authority of Jesus Christ in His holy church!
Dogma! Or De Fide! Or Thee faith!
The faith of Christians!
An inconvertible unchallengeable truth revealed by God!
Truth like God who revealed it is immutable! Unchangeable!
Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15
The one true church founded by Christ on the authority of the apostles is ir-reformable!
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 4:5
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
A bunch of lies were brought forth from the councils. Like the trinity god in 381 ce at the first council of Constantinople--No trinity was taught or served at the Council of Nicea in 325, or ever before, not until 381--it is a false teaching.
The Abrahamic God taught, served and worshipped by Israel is a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah) the God taught to Jesus when he attended Israelite places of worship and to every bible writer.
Proof your religion does not have Jesus= pictures of him bringing dishonor to his Fathers name by having long hair. Israelite men did not have long hair- 1Corinthians 11:14
Not even to mention the bible condemns the usage of statues, icons and graven images.
And it teaches--Do not call any man on earth-Father( this is talking about a spiritual teacher) not a Dad. Matthew 23:9--The Pope has the audacity to be called holy Father-he Fathered 0 of anything spiritual, God Fathered all spiritual things. God is the Holy Father.
1) the fathers And doctors of the church are successors of the apostles having the teaching authority of Christ, apostolic tradition, and their teaching is binding on all Christians Matt 16:18-19 & 18-18 Jn 20:21 lk 10:16
2) the trinity is one God in three persons not three Gods see the creed below
3) call no man father? See below
4) Jews have long hair and long curling sideburns in the pics or movies
5) graven images and idolatry is forbidden by the 1st commandment as the church always teaches ex 2-6, images are permitted the iconoclast heresy was condemned by the second council of Nicea in the 7th century
God commanded the making of images, angels on the ark ex 25:18 and the bronze serpent num 21:9
Jn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (on the cross)
Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
(Portrayed)
Jesus was never with the religion that came out of Rome. Which is correct about long hair on Israelite males? The bible or movies?
Another proof Jesus is not ever with the religion that came out of Rome.
A mark of the true religion that would be displayed always before all creation--that you have LOVE amongst yourselves. During ww2 your religion killed for a man named Adolf Hitler, killed the members of your own religion who stood on the opposite side. As well-ww1, the rev war. the civil war-- and while all that killing was going on, the clergys prayed to the same God on both sides for the destruction of their own supposed brothers in Christ( one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed in all creation)--It took throwing Jesus away to accomplish those deeds.
the church is Roman Catholic!
Roman cause Christ conquered the Roman Empire!
catholic universal!
God initiated each covenant and the mediator always remains on earth mediating the covenant except for Christ who made Peter His personal representative and vicar! (Matt 16:18)
Adam
(Marriage covenant)
Noah
(Family covenant)
Abraham
(Tribal covenant)
Moses:
(National covenant)
Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)
New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18
Universal (Catholic)
World universal
Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. ( catholic universal) All men!
Lk 2:31 prepared before the face of all (catholic) people. All men!
Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world. All men!
Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world
1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. All men!
Lk 2: 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. All men!
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (All people universal) All men!
1 Tim 2:5 one mediator
Jn 10:16 One new covenant church
Only Jesus Christ has authority to found the church on Peter and the apostles! Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18
Jn 20:21 eph 2:20
All others are heretical sects the tradition of men!
Christ is king and established a kingdom!
Obedience to the apostles who have the jurisdictional authority to govern the church and administer the kingdom is obedience to Christ!
Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20
1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!
Christ appointed Peter, the apostles, and their successors to govern the church and administer the kingdom until He returns in glory!
Submission and obedience to them is submission and obedience to Christ!
Like Joseph under pharaoh the king and his brothers bowed in obedience to Him as God willed!
But Protestant fundamentalists will not, for satan the first Protestant was in rebellion against God saying: I will not serve! I will not obey!
So who is you’re leader?
All those who submit and obey are Christ’s!
Those who do not are satan’s!