not the true church but those in the counterfeit Vatican 2 church these are apostate
Example: pacumama ain’t catholic
I never thought I’d have the opportunity to seriously ask but here we are and here we go: Is the pope Catholic?
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not the true church but those in the counterfeit Vatican 2 church these are apostate
Example: pacumama ain’t catholic
Jn 11:25 says no
And there is your another gospel which is not the gospel of Jesus Christ or the church or the apostles or for salvation.
Not at all! Grace is given by god as He determines and ot as a man made institution decides.
the communion of saints
Heb 5:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Notice at the temptation of Jesus (or anywhere in the Bible) Satan does not accuse Jesus of being the son of a sinner!
You need to read what your wrote here. Not saints, not Mary,Christi is mediator!
Jesus is speaking here about believers who will die being made alive again in the resurrection when he returns.
The dead are dead, not alive.
My hope is to either being changed in the twinkling of an eye when Jesus returns, if I’m still alive whenever that event occurs, or to be resurrected from the grave, if I’m dead when that event occurs. That is my Christian hope.
how do you put a spiritual soul in a grave?
you cannot enter the new covenant church on you’re own
2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall beministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
“Faith alone”
Questions
where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?
1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”
Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?
Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?
They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???
When we first believed we are saved?
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?
1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?
If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!
Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2
the church is founded by Christ do your tantamount to blasphemy
Christ founded the church for the salvation of all men
sacraments are the means of grace
Scripture
Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Baptism: (initiation into the covenant)
Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The Eucharist: (holy communion)
Mt 26:26-39 Jn 6:51-58 1 Cor 11:23-25
Confession of sins:
Jn 20:23 / 1 Jn 1:9 / 2 cor 5:18
Confirmation
Lk 22:32 acts 8:14-17
acts 14:22
Marriage:
Matt 19:4-6
Holy orders: (priesthood)
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru His priesthood in Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 10:1-8 Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 acts 1:17 acts 6:4 acts 8:26
2 Cor 5:18 1 Tim 4:14 Eph 2:20
Extreme unction: (anointing with oil)
1 Tim 4:14 James 5:14
The ark of salvation: one, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles!
the church is the only ark of salvation: baptism is the initiation, all those outside this ark are lost, drowning in the flood waters of the world!
holy apostolic council of Trent with the authority of Jesus Christ!
CANON I.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law were not all instituted by Jesus Christ, our Lord; or, that they are more, or less, than seven, to wit, Baptism, Confirmation, the Eucharist, Penance, Extreme Unction, Order, and Matrimony; or even that any one of these seven is not truly and properly a sacrament; let him be anathema.
CANON II.-If any one saith, that these said sacraments of the New Law do not differ from the sacramnets of the Old Law, save that the ceremonies are different, and different the outward rites; let him be anathema.
CANON III.-If any one saith, that these seven sacraments are in such wise equal to each other, as that one is not in any way more worthy than another; let him be anathema.
CANON IV.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema.
CANON V.-If any one saith, that these sacraments were instituted for the sake of nourishing faith alone; let him be anathema.
CANON VI.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law do not contain the grace which they signify; or, that they do not confer that grace on those who do not place an obstacle thereunto; as though they were merely outward signs of grace or justice received through faith, and certain marks of the Christian profession, whereby believers are distinguished amongst men from unbelievers; let him be anathema.
CANON VII.-If any one saith, that grace, as far as God's part is concerned, is not given through the said sacraments, always, and to all men, even though they receive them rightly, but (only) sometimes, and to some persons; let him be anathema.
CANON VIII.-If any one saith, that by the said sacraments of the New Law grace is not conferred through the act performed, but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.
CANON IX.-If any one saith, that, in the three sacrments, Baptism, to wit, Confirmation, and Order, there is not imprinted in the soul a character, that is, a certain spiritual and indelible Sign, on account of which they cannot be repeated; let him be anathema.
CANON X.-If any one saith, that all Christians have power to administer the word, and all the sacraments; let him be anathema.
CANON XI.-If any one saith, that, in ministers, when they effect, and confer the sacraments, there is not required the intention at least of doing what the Church does; let him be anathema.
CANON XII.-If any one saith, that a minister, being in mortal sin,-if so be that he observe all the essentials which belong to the effecting, or conferring of, the sacrament,-neither effects, nor confers the sacrament; let him be anathema.
CANON XIII.-If any one saith, that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, wont to be used in the solemn administration of the sacraments, may be contemned, or without sin be omitted at pleasure by the ministers, or be changed, by every pastor of the churches, into other new ones; let him be anathema.
“For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.”
(St. Athansius, On the Incarnation)
Do you believe that you will one day become God?
Do you believe that other Catholics have and will become God?
Yes, we go boldly to Christ, not through a priest, or anyone else.
(Christ is a priest)
(Eternal priest & high priest)
(heb 4:16 is the throne of grace, Mary’s throne, Lk 1:28 “hail full of grace”)
Was he supposed to? What would that have done?
You need to read what your wrote here. Not saints, not Mary,
CHRIST IS MEDIATOR.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
Christ humbled himself to share in our humanity so we can share in his divinity, but thru divine grace!
2 pet 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Souls are mortal. The soul that sins will die (Ezekiel 18:20).
We seek for immortality. We are promised immortality. We receive immortality when we are resurrected from the grave or, if we’re still alive when Jesus returns, changed in an instant, clothed with immortality, in the twinkling of an eye.
we can die mortality now when still alive, by sin that separates us from God and sanctifying grace
there are millions now in heaven but their bodies are in the earth waiting the resurrection of the dead
Because the Bible tells us so:Why do you think they need their rotted corpses resurrected to life?
Because the Bible tells us so:
1 Thess. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
Sooooooo, you don’t believe in the Resurrection of the Body?