Eternal Security Promised

[Truth7t7]

Eternal Security Promisd

John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

 

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1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Knowing we will in fact be like Him when He appears causes us to live pure lives.

Much love!

 

[Nancy]

Eternal Security Promisd

John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Amen, and ALL of that through faith.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

A little common sense is all that is needed to debunk any use of Jhn 10:27-30 as Christ guaranteeing eternal life. Notice Christ says no man can pluck a Christian out of His or the Father's hand. What it doesn't say is that a Christian can't choose to leave Their hands. God and Christ 's protection are like an impenetrable fortress: it can only protect a Christian from Satan if they stay inside it. If they choose to leave it, the Christian leaves the protection that the fortress provides. The fact that Rev. 2-3 shows Christ telling apostates to return to being faithful and encouraging the faithful to stay the course says the eternal security doctrine is baloney.

A closer look at what the original Greek says in Eph. 1:13 also thoroughly debunks any "eternal security" argument. In the original Greek, Paul actually says the Holy Spirit is a down payment, which carries the automatic implication that it can be lost if the person who owns it doesn't build on what they have.

In order for someone to faithfully subscribe to the eternal security doctrine, a person would have to pretend Christ's parables concerning the pounds and minas aren't in the Bible. There is an explicit warning about how the person who doesn't build on what they have will be shocked when the salvation they assumed they were entitled to is stripped from them. If Christians were guaranteed salvation no matter what, Christ wouldn't have also gave the parable about the 10 virgins who went to sleep. Christ ended the parable by saying the 5 virgins who didn't have their lamps lit missed out on the wedding. The obvious moral of the parable was that the Laodicean Christians who don't repent will not be in God's Kingdom.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

If “Eternal Security” and “Once Saved Always Saved” were true none of the many warnings and instructions (explicit and in parable form) for avoiding sin would be in the Holy Bible.

Isolated Bible reading easily exposes all falsehoods and cleaver speeches by smooth talking, well dressed, men.

Don’t let any man take the Bible away from you with private interpretations and “Greek” speak.

 

[Tong2020]

A little common sense is all that is needed to debunk any use of Jhn 10:27-30 as Christ guaranteeing eternal life. Notice Christ says no man can pluck a Christian out of His or the Father's hand. What it doesn't say is that a Christian can't choose to leave Their handa. God and Christ 's protection are like an impenetrable fortress: it can only protect a Christian from Satan if they stay inside it. If they choose to leave it, the Christian leaves the protection that the fortress provides. The fact that Rev. 2-3 shows Christ telling apostates to return to being faithful and encouraging the faithful to stay the course says the eternal security doctrine is baloney.

A closer look at what the original Greek says in Eph. 1:13 also thoroughly debunks any "eternal security" argument. In the original Greek, Paul actually says the Holy Spirit is a down payment, which carries the automatic implication that it can be lost if the person who owns it doesn't build on what they have.

In order for someone to faithfully subscribe to the eternal security doctrine, a person would have to pretend Christ's parables concerning the pounds and minas aren't in the Bible. There is an explicit warning about how the person who doesn't build on what they have will be shocked when the salvation they assumed they were entitled to is stripped from them. If Christians were guaranteed salvation no matter what, Christ wouldn't have also gave the parable about the 10 virgins who went to sleep. Christ ended the parable by saying the 5 virgins who didn't have their lamps lit missed out on the wedding. The obvious moral of the parable was that the Laodicean Christians who don't repent will not be in God's Kingdom.

Consider, regarding salvation unto eternal life, what we read in scriptures.

Jesus said “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. ”

Jesus said “He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”

Jesus said “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. ”

Jesus said “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. ”

What can you say about that?

Also @Michiah-Imla

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[Ferris Bueller]

Consider, regarding salvation unto eternal life, what we read in scriptures.

Jesus said “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. ”

Jesus said “He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”

Jesus said “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. ”

Jesus said “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. ”

What can you say about that?

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Everlasting life doesn't have to only mean you can never lose it. If it did that would mean a 'forever' stamp from the post office means you could never lose it.

 

[Tong2020]

Everlasting life doesn't have to only mean you can never lose it. If it did that would mean a 'forever' stamp from the post office means you could never lose it.

I was just asking what you get from out of what Jesus said there which I quoted in my post.

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[Ferris Bueller]

I was just asking what you get from out of what Jesus said there which I quoted in my post.

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I get the difference between the life the old covenant sacrifices gave, and what the New Covenant Sacrifice gives out of what Jesus said. That's why we should continue in faith in the life that never ends, and abandon the life that does end.

 

[Tong2020]

I get the difference between the life the old covenant sacrifices gave, and what the New Covenant Sacrifice gives out of what Jesus said. That's why we should continue in faith in the life that never ends, and abandon the life that does end.

Jesus said “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. ”

Do you believe that there will be people whom the Father gives Him?

Do you believe that these people will come Him?

Do you believe that Jesus will by no means cast them out?

Or do you not?

Jesus said “He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”

Do you believe that those who come and believe Jesus, them whom the Father gives Him, will never hunger and thirst?

Or do you not?

Jesus said “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. ”

Do you believe that no one can come to Jesus unless he is drawn by the Father?

Do you believe that Jesus will raise him who comes to Him, at the last day?

Or do you not?

Jesus said “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. ”

Do you believe that he who believes in Jesus has everlasting life?

Or do you not?

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[Michiah-Imla]

Consider, regarding salvation unto eternal life, what we read in scriptures.

Jesus said “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. ”

Jesus said “He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”

Jesus said “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. ”

Jesus said “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. ”

What can you say about that?

Also @Michiah-Imla

Tong
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The all-knowing God knows who will endure. We do not.

And certainly we should not have the prideful attitude of “knowing” we will endure to the end.

Those promises you quoted are reminders of our reward if we strive lawfully unto the end. Striving against sin unto blood if necessary.

 

[Tong2020]

The all-knowing God knows who will endure. We do not.

And certainly we should not have the prideful attitude of “knowing” we will endure to the end.

Those promises you quoted are reminders of our reward if we strive lawfully unto the end. Striving against sin unto blood if necessary.

Jesus said “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. ”

Jesus said “He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”

Jesus said “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. ”

Jesus said “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. ”

I shared to you what Jesus said there, that perhaps you may see, know, and believe that no one can come to Jesus unless he is drawn by the Father.

I shared to you what Jesus said there, that perhaps you may see, know, and believe that there will be people whom the Father gives to Jesus; and that these people will come to Jesus; and that these people will believe in Jesus; and that these people certainly has everlasting life.

I shared to you what Jesus said there, that perhaps you may see, know, and believe that Jesus will by no means cast out these people out; and will save them and raise up at the last day; and give them everlasting life; and that all of that is not only certain, but will surely be done by the Savior Jesus Christ.

I shared to you what Jesus said there, that perhaps you may see, know, and believe that salvation is of God, by God, and by grace, by and through faith; that salvation is not of man and by man, and not by works nor by any other means that comes from man.

I shared to you and to all who reads and participates in this thread, that perhaps there will be some who may see, know, and believe what Jesus Christ said there.

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[Taken]

If “Eternal Security” and “Once Saved Always Saved” were true none of the many warnings and instructions (explicit and in parable form) for avoiding sin would be in the Holy Bible.

Isolated Bible reading easily exposes all falsehoods and cleaver speeches by smooth talking, well dressed, men.

Don’t let any man take the Bible away from you with private interpretations and “Greek” speak.

"IF"...is an "ISOLATED" conditional teaching.
"IF"...you DO "THIS"...THEN "THIS" applies to you.
"IF"...you DO NOT DO "THIS"...THEN "THIS" DOES NOT apply to you.

Jesus Brought a NEW TEACHING...
And OFFERING OF "SALVATION NOW"!!
"IF" you DO "THIS"...your SALVATION is assured "NOW", OF, BY, THROUGH...HIM.

The OFFERING:

John 3:
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through theoffering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

IF

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, AND shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

ISOLATED

THOSE THAT "DO" BECOME MADE SAVED from THOSE that "DO NOT" BECOME MADE SAVED.

John 14:
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwellth with you, and shall be IN you.
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

WARNINGS, WARNINGS, WARNINGS
...

"IF"... You do not Believe in God...doomed
"IF"... You do not Believe in Christ...doomed
"IF"... You Believe IN God, but NOT Christ...
........"THEN" YOU CAN NOT "RECEIVE" SALVATION "NOW".

"ISOLATED"....^ DOES any of THOSE warnings APPLY TO YOU?

"ISOLATED"... ^ DOES any of THOSE warnings APPLY to YOU?

"ISOLATED"... ^ DOES any of THOSE warnings APPLY TO ANYONE?

YES... THOSE WARNINGS DO APPLY TO "SOME" people.

WHY? WHY? WHY? Are men WARNED?

A WARNING... IS TO AVOID DANGER

WHAT... IS THE DANGER .... OF NOT RECEIVING SALVATION NOW ???

THE DANGER

OPEN EARS...LISTEN...
The Lord God ... WITH
AND ... IN... IS the assurity.

The Lord God....WITH ONLY...IS NOT an assurity.

John 14
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwellth with you, and shall be IN you.

WHY? WHY? WHY? IS WITH ONLY....A DANGER ?

* * OPEN EARS, Hear, Listen, Learn...

The Lord God "WITH ONLY"...
...Requires the individual TO KEEP his FAITH, OF, BY, THROUGH his OWN POWER!!!
(THE DANGER IS: EVIL spirits, Wicked men, wield great power and authority and INFLUENCE over men, to cunningly convince or Force men to REJECT God.)

The Lord God "WITH AND IN" ...
...THAT individual IS KEPT in FAITH,
OF, BY, THROUGH the IN-DWELLING "POWER OF GOD", ONCE and FOREVER!

OSAS IS:
Expressly APPLICABLE TO:
An individual WHO;
The Lord God "IS"
"WITH" AND "IN"!!!


FOR HOW LONG?
Phlm 1
[15] For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever;

Matt 28;
[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Don’t let any man take the Bible away from you with private interpretations and “Greek” speak.

Don't let False teaching of men, Philosophies of men, Traditions of men....
Convince you...The Lord God...
"With.....AND.....IN" a man FOREVER is anything BUT TRUE.

 

[Taken]

A little common sense is all that is needed to debunk any use of Jhn 10:27-30 as Christ guaranteeing eternal life. Notice Christ says no man can pluck a Christian out of His or the Father's hand. What it doesn't say is that a Christian can't choose to leave Their handa. God and Christ 's protection are like an impenetrable fortress: it can only protect a Christian from Satan if they stay inside it. If they choose to leave it, the Christian leaves the protection that the fortress provides. The fact that Rev. 2-3 shows Christ telling apostates to return to being faithful and encouraging the faithful to stay the course says the eternal security doctrine is baloney.

IF, it is common sense you hang your hat on....then Learn the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN....the words;
WITH.....and......IN.

Learn the OT ANCIENT History...
God with, God with, God with...
Those that believed ON God.

Observe the OT History....
God with, God with, God with...
A favorable outcome for men.
Men disobedient, men disobedient...
God departs, IS NOT WITH.
Men return to obey, men return to obey...
God with, God with, God with...

SEE the Pattern?
SEE....WHO wavers? MEN!
Men OBEY...result...God WITH
Men DISOBEY...result...God Departs being WITH.

Learn the NT History....
A NEW TESTAMENT OF ASSURITY....
An OFFERING...
A WAY...OF WHAT?

God with "AND IN" a man
God with "AND IN" a man
God with "AND IN" a man

God "WITH" a man can COME and GO.
God "with AND IN" a man IS FOREVER!

A man ACCEPTING Gods OFFERING, His WAY, which IS: a man Freely, Heartfully AGREEING, FOR the Lord God TO KEEP THAT MAN......FOREVER......
EXPRESSLY of, by, through, GODS POWER with AND......"IN" that man

Your lack of KNOWING "the WAY" (according to Gods Word) of HOW TO obtain "ETERNAL Security"....is to your own detriment.
Your (bunk) Preaching ...IS NOT Scriptural.

The WARNING, was to men, WITH God, who Departed being "WITH" God, and God Departed being "WITH THEM"....
The CALL to men TO RETURN to Being WITH...and learning THE WAY TO be "IN" God....was to THEM.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

IF"...is an "ISOLATED" conditional teaching.
"IF"...you DO "THIS"...THEN "THIS" applies to you.

Jesus Brought a NEW TEACHING...

No he did not. It’s folks like yourself who bring new teachings.

“Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.” (John 15:14)

Jesus said that!

The rest of your post is complete jibberish. Learn to write clearly and concisely.

I don’t have time to decode your secret theology.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you believe that Jesus will by no means cast them out?

Christ will not cast out a believer.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus said “He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”

Do you believe that those who come and believe Jesus, them whom the Father gives Him, will never hunger and thirst?

Christ will not let a believer hunger or thirst.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you believe that no one can come to Jesus unless he is drawn by the Father?

Yes.
The ability to trust in God is offered to a person. They do not have that ability on their own. And God offers it to a person at the time of His choosing.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you believe that Jesus will raise him who comes to Him, at the last day?

I believe that Jesus will raise up every one who believes at the last day.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you believe that he who believes in Jesus has everlasting life?

I believe that everyone who believes has the life that never ends in them.