Events before the cross, events AFTER the resurrection

[farouk]

Not really because the Holy Spirit is only supposed to be one of those persons.

Not all 3.

They are taught as being separate, different and yet all god.

Scripture readily contradicts all of that.

Why would God contradict such an important doctrine, while simultaneously never clearly teaching it anywhere?

Can you explain the verses presented by Jesus, farouk?

Matthew 28; Romans 8; John's Gospel passim; John's First Epistle: all speak of God in Three Persons.

I decline to argue with you, Sir.

 

[Ziggy]

That was a lot easier to listen to.
Thank You for sharing.
But what is the question?

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

 

[GEN2REV]

Are you boasting?
That's pride, and scripture has nothing good to say about that.
Are you born from above?

If I'm boasting, I'm boasting in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 1:31
Psalms 34:2

That's who the Truth is.

Sound Biblical doctrine is what we are all supposed to project and protect.

You won't even consider it.

God bless.

 

[Enoch111]

They create real problems for the concept of 3 persons as our God. Especially John 14:21-23. How do you explain Jesus presenting that scenario?

There is really no problem. The triune Godhead indwells the believer. This is confirmed in the first epistle of John.

 

[GEN2REV]

There is really no problem. The triune Godhead indwells the believer. This is confirmed in the first epistle of John.

No, the trinity doctrine teaches that the Holy Spirit is a single, separate, different person from the Father and Son, and that it/he indwells the believer.

Nowhere will you find in any trinity teaching that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are all the Holy Spirit, nor that they all indwell the believer.

But Jesus says that He and the Father do indwell the believer in those verses; then just 3 verses later in verse 26, He shows again that they are the Holy Spirit.

That is not the trinity doctrine at all.

 

[Enoch111]

Nowhere will you find in any trinity teaching that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are all the Holy Spirit, nor that they all indwell the believer.

Who said anything about the Holy Spirit being "all" of the Godhead? I said that according to Scripture the triune Godhead indwells the believer. Now note carefully:

GOD THE FATHER DWELLS WITHIN
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God [the Father] dwelleth in him, and he in God. (1 John 4:15) [Note: In the NT "God" generally means "God the Father"]

JESUS CHRIST DWELLS WITHIN
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (1 John 5:11,12)

THE HOLY SPIRIT DWELLS WITHIN
Hereby know we that we dwell in him [God], and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. (1 John 4:13)

 

[GEN2REV]

Who said anything about the Holy Spirit being "all" of the Godhead? I said that according to Scripture the triune Godhead indwells the believer. Now note carefully:

GOD THE FATHER DWELLS WITHIN
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God [the Father] dwelleth in him, and he in God. (1 John 4:15) [Note: In the NT "God" generally means "God the Father"]

JESUS CHRIST DWELLS WITHIN
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (1 John 5:11,12)

THE HOLY SPIRIT DWELLS WITHIN
Hereby know we that we dwell in him [God], and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. (1 John 4:13)

And you feel this post somehow proves the trinity doctrine?

 

[GEN2REV]

Who said anything about the Holy Spirit being "all" of the Godhead? I said that according to Scripture the triune Godhead indwells the believer. Now note carefully:

GOD THE FATHER DWELLS WITHIN
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God [the Father] dwelleth in him, and he in God. (1 John 4:15) [Note: In the NT "God" generally means "God the Father"]

JESUS CHRIST DWELLS WITHIN
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (1 John 5:11,12)

THE HOLY SPIRIT DWELLS WITHIN
Hereby know we that we dwell in him [God], and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. (1 John 4:13)

Some trinitarians teach that the Father and Son both have a physical, glorified, body. Others teach that only Jesus has a physical body.

No trinitarian doctrine teaches that all 3 persons are spirit.

Therefore they cannot all indwell the believer as John 14:21-23 makes plain that Jesus and the Father do ... as the Holy Spirit. They are the Holy Spirit; that individual "person" is not with them in that passage no matter how you twist it.