Every question on your mind find the answer in the Bible first.
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Rockerduck
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The KJV is the most accurate for 400 yrs straight since 1769 and never updated, like all the translations have. All you need in your hand. There are mysteries in the bible you haven't found yet.
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Behold
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Im simply showing you that no Bio, or Autobiography, including the Bible, is going to have every last detail regarding anyone.
So dont expect or require what will never happen., and dont use what will never be found as your excuse to try to cause people to doubt the bible. @Magdala
Behold
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Let me show you your fallacy.
When you say that the "bible is not the complete info, on the Life of Jesus".....that is implying that their exists somewhere, something that has more complete info..
So, that's false innuendo.
The Bible IS the ultimate "info" regarding Jesus, Church Doctrine, and what happens in Eternity., and everything else related to Christianity.
Are there not missing verses in the KJV, like Matthew 17:21, Mark 9:44, John 5:4, and 1 John 5:7? Also, is the KJV not missing books like 1 and 2 Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom of Solomon, and so on? Is that not a problem? Look, the Christian (Catholic) Church was founded by Jesus, He made the apostles the first leaders of it, and it has grown and continues to grow. It has existed far longer than 400 years, over two-thousand years to be exact, and we don't leave out verses and books.
Behold
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The Apostles founded "local churches". or local assemblies.,,,,,,,often in someone's house.
The term "Catholic" or Catholic church was created by some men, over 100 yrs after Yeshua was back in Heaven, so, Christ didnt create the "catholic" anything...with that title, nor did any Apostle.
Jesus does not create "denominations" like Baptist, or Catholic, or Mormon.. or Church of England ., or yours reader.
Jesus creates CHRISTIANS, and them some men create a denomination... that is man made with a TITLE.
There are no denomination in Heaven........only down here.
You said, "no Bio, or Autobiography, including the Bible, is going to have every last detail regarding anyone" and before that I had said that the Bible isnt a complete knowledge of Jesus, which means not every last detail about Him is in there, which you initially fought me on, but now you see and understand. So good.
Correct, other humans created those denominations, or other folds, not Jesus, and less than a thousand years ago. Over two thousand years ago, Jesus founded one Church, one fold (Jn. 10:16), and made His apostles the first leaders of it (thats what He spent three years training them to be), and told them He wanted them to bring other sheep of other folds into it. That Church is the Christian (Catholic) Church. The apostles have had successors just as Jesus had them succeed Him, though He remains the Head of His bodily Church. Jesus made Peter the first among equals and our newest Pope is His new successor.
The Church founded by Jesus Christ and established by the Apostles was called the “Catholic Church” by the end of the first century–some 1400 years before anybody ever heard of a “Protestant”. We see this in the Letter to the Smyrnaeans by Ignatius of Antioch, which was already an established fact by the beginning of the second century:
"Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole EUCHARIST you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).
"In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters (priests) as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a Church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him"(Letter to the Trallians 3:1-2 [A. D. 110]).
Follow, respect, and obey your clergy, such as the bishops, presbyters (priests), deacons...
The Eucharist...
The Catholic Church...
This is the same Church that gave you The Bible...
Correct, there isn't, but that doesn't mean it's ok to have multiple folds down here. Jesus spoke of ONE CHURCH and ONE FOLD, not multiple. The very existence of denominations founded by men other than Jesus flies in the face of what Jesus told the apostles: one Church, one fold, bringing sheep of other folds into this one fold.
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Rockerduck
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The KJV has all the verses. The apocrypha have no words of Jesus in them. 1 and 2 Maccabees are history books. I have all the external books you mentioned, and they do not belong in a canon. I have the Catholic Jerusalem bible and have read them. The Jerusalem bible is missing verses and the NRSV is missing verses. .
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