The Light
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Yes there is tribulation and then there is the great tribulation which is the tribulation of those days. That is what the Church can escape from and stand before the Son of man.
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David in NJ
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God only promises us escape from His Wrath = Matthew 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
The Church will go thru the Great Tribualtion just as JESUS said they would = Rev 7:14
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me;
1.) “Who are these arrayed in white robes,
2.) and where did they come from?”
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me,
3.) “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
as simple as 1,2,3
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The Light
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No sir. We can escape all these things..........which are the things that Jesus talked about. And He talked about the great tribulation.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
And stand before the Son of man.
David in NJ
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Holy Spirit CONTEXT
34“But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
35For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
The Light
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The departure of the Church is before the Antichrist is revealed. Additionally, there are two raptures. The second rapture which is the gathering from heaven and earth happens after the Antichrist is revealed.
David in NJ
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Your very words are antichrist.
You are speaking directly against the words of Christ = therefore they are antichrist
pre-trib rapture is a false promise = a false messiah
The Light
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Context.
What are ALL THESE THINGS? They are the things spoken of earlier in chapter..........such as the great tribulation.
The Light
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To those that are looking will He appear a second time.
Can you answer.......who are the foolish virgins?
David in NJ
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a.) the wise virgins are those who are looking to JESUS the Author and Finisher of our faith
b.) the foolish virgins are those who are looking for pre-trib rapture
a,) the wise virgins believe the words of Christ
b.) the foolish virgins believe the pastors and prophets who promote false teachings
a.) the wise virgins are filled with the Holy Spirit
b.) the foolish virgins are tossed too and from by every wind of doctrine of men
What group are you in (a) or (b)???
David in NJ
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It is Good to pray that we escape all these things = Wise virgins
It is evil to make up a way of escape that God has not promised = foolish virgins
Proverbs 30;5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
The Light
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Good.
David. Thanks for the laugh this morning.
Good
Are you referring to those that teach that the Church has replaced Israel? This doctrine was birthed by unbelieving men that did not believe the Word of God. They did not believe that God would keep His promise to Israel. As history has shown, Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948. The puzzling thing is that even after Israel was reborn as a nation this foolishness continues to spread as a cancer. I'm not sure why these people cannot see that the nation of Israel is reborn.
Fun fact. There was a guy named John Nelson Darby that saw in scripture that the nation of Israel would be reborn and that the Church has not replaced Israel. He understood that God keeps His Word. He was correct. His beliefs line up with Jesus and Paul and the other disciples.
Good.
From what I can see the foolish virgins have the tendencies of Democrats. A democrat has no plan to run the country. All they know is that Trump is bad. That is the whole message. Same thing occurs with the pretrib rapture. All they know is that anyone that believes there is a pretribulation rapture is a liar. The reason they have to do this is because their fallen doctrine cannot be proven by the Word of God.
It seems I am in both. You need to check your work.
David in NJ
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You need to make sure(which you have not) that you are under the Work of God concerning His Second Coming = only One
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rebuilder 454
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ALL THE VIRGINS were looking for the groom and ALL WENT OUT TO MEET HIM.
NONE of them were told to stay and be rewarded for staying.
Really??? You totally missed the ingredient that the foolish ran out of????
Huh???
There is not a single component of the virgin parable that even remotely points to any trial or trib before Jesus takes the wise to heaven.
And don't forget in the postrib rapture doctrine none of the church goes to heaven.
In the virgin parable , the foolish STAY and the wise go TO HEAVEN, TO THE MARRIAGE CHAMBER.
rebuilder 454
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The wise virgins departed, as did lot, Noah, the 144k, the Main harvest Jews of rev14:14, Jesus in acts 1,the baby Jesus, and the "ones taken" of mat 24.
You got it exactly backwards..
Part of the mass misunderstanding is that Jesus tied the whole thing into harvest.
I think what we see today, is people think that the farmer goes into the field and takes the weeds. And all we see is just a well maintained Crop.
Never harvested.
That would be evil
Huh?
That Misunderstanding that the tares are always gathered first, got totally depunked by that verse that I quoted about a month ago were the grain is gathered first and then the tares are burned.
rebuilder 454
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He could be revealed to the church, a year before he ever does anything or takes power.
Obama "was revealed" at least a Year before he took power, but he was not revealed as who he really was to all those low IQ's who were fawning all over him.
He was revealed as evil, to anybody walking in discernment.
I am not saying the ac comes in power and then the rapture.
I'm just following what the bible says that there will be a falling away first and the man of sin will be revealed. FIRST.
Hi rebuilder 454,
The person who becomes the Antichrist can be determined ahead of his becoming the Antichrist by his becoming the leader over a panel of ten EU leaders. Revealing himself as the little horn person (stage 1).
The revealing of the person as the man of sin (stage 4) will not be until around 3 years into the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.
Yes, as in escape the wrath of God to come.
Not necessarily the wrath of Satan
That is the context, escape all these things.
Yet God may show to some of His people favor and mercy.
Not everyone has the same calling or experience in this world.
I was not born in a time or place of extreme persecution and tribulation.
No one knows how long they will be left alive down here on this earth.
Dying is also an escape, to depart and be with Christ is far better.
Isaiah 57:1
The righteous perishes, And no man takes it to heart; Merciful men are taken away, While no one considers That the righteous is taken away from evil.
He shall enter into peace;
They shall rest in their beds,
Each one walking in his uprightness.
Isaiah 57 a good read
14 And one shall say,
“Heap it up! Heap it up!
Prepare the way,
Take the stumbling block out of the way of My people.”
15 For thus says the High and Lofty One
Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:
“I dwell in the high and holy place,
With him who has a contrite and humble spirit,
To revive the spirit of the humble,
And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
16 For I will not contend forever,
Nor will I always be angry;
For the spirit would fail before Me,
And the souls which I have made.
17 For the iniquity of his covetousness
I was angry and struck him;
I hid and was angry,
And he went on [e]backsliding in the way of his heart.
18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him;
I will also lead him,
And restore comforts to him
And to his mourners.
19 “I create the fruit of the lips:
Peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who is near,”
Says the Lord,
“And I will heal him.”
20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea,
When it cannot rest,
Whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21 “There is no peace,”
Says my God, “for the wicked.”
14 And one shall say,
“Heap it up! Heap it up!
Prepare the way,
Take the stumbling block out of the way of My people.”
15 For thus says the High and Lofty One
Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:
“I dwell in the high and holy place,
With him who has a contrite and humble spirit,
To revive the spirit of the humble,
And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
16 For I will not contend forever,
Nor will I always be angry;
For the spirit would fail before Me,
And the souls which I have made.
17 For the iniquity of his covetousness
I was angry and struck him;
I hid and was angry,
And he went on [e]backsliding in the way of his heart.
18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him;
I will also lead him,
And restore comforts to him
And to his mourners.
19 “I create the fruit of the lips:
Peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who is near,”
Says the Lord,
“And I will heal him.”
20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea,
When it cannot rest,
Whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21 “There is no peace,”
Says my God, “for the wicked.”
I think what's important to note, is that God rarely reveals to us something, that doesn't have relevance in a number of ways.
We should be asking God to use the notion of the rapture, to give coherence and meaning to our lives (in readiness and spiritual discipline, for example).
If we chop and change what we think the rapture is, God will never be able to bless us, with preparation for it.
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