EVERYONE IS DEMANDING RESULTS, EVIDENCE, PROGRESS, -- But When We Give It, It's Never Enough ...
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Ronald Nolette
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May be may be not. We are living in a world that is with ever greater rapidity moving to a 1 world govt., followed by the "ten kings" and then the antichrist. Lots of these things may be sign posts or just interesting events. I believe the virus and vaccine are trial runs at controlling the masses and gettingf them to do what a dictatorial govt. wishes., as well as seeing which groups will give them trouble.
but this is all stuff to happen and shouls just cause us to praise more, pray more, and exalt Jesus Christ more! I say8 this as one who has in bioble College taught eschatology and current events.
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Please let us know when you actually have something to say, -- and given your assertion of "AUTHORITY", how about if you start out by explaining:
- Why does Rev. 12 says SEVEN Diadems, but Rev. 13 says TEN Diadems? -- What happened, why the change???
- Or if you prefer, please explain why in Dan. 1:21 Daniel was "Broken" (Some explain the word היה, haiah, by to be “broken" -- per Calvin); but then find him alive and well in 10:1. -- Which Verse is correct???
- In Dan. 12: 4 & 9, the angel requires and END TIME fulfillment for the Prophecies, but the commentators declare ~483BC as the start of the "seventy sevens", and some 200BC for Dan. 11. -- Is ~483BC and ~200BC the "TIME OF THE END"???
And I could go on, and on, but let's start with the simple, and arrive at the complex.
Bobby Jo
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atpollard
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In Rev 12, the 7 crowns (diadems) were noted on the seven heads of the Dragon (satan) representing “perfect, complete” authority (over evil and the fallen world).
In Rev 13, the 10 crowns are on 10 horns representing great power and worldly rulers.
So in Rev 12, the emphasis is authority in the spiritual realm and in Rev 13 the emphasis is authority in the physical realm. Demons/Spirits vs Kings/Governments.
Exactly WHAT CHANGED? Did the "Spiritual Realm" DISAPPEAR? Did GOD ACTUALLY FORSAKE US AND LEAVE US? Did Jesus LIE? -- And so now we reside in the "Physical Realm" where we can no longer sense GOD's Presence, HIS Guiding, and HIS Holy Spirit?
And satan NEVER Operated in the Spiritual Realm, -- and now has FREE REIGN in our MUTUAL "Physical Realm"?
I think either you're just as CONFUSED as some others, or you're deliberately posting Misinformation/Disinformation.
Bobby Jo
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... yet another picture casting doubt on "Michelle"; and three "Associates":
... yet another picture casting doubt on "Michelle"; and three "Associates":
... and we now should realize the "Michelle"/"Michael"; but who'd have guessed the CIA coordination between Obama and Gates went back THIS FAR?!?
Bobby Jo
Bobby Jo
Exactly HOW MUCH INFORMATION is there that we MISSED?
... and sometimes there are things I'd rather not know ...
Bobby Jo
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Ronald Nolette
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The answer is very easy when one reads carefully.
In revelation12 the crowns are upon the heads! IN Rev. 13 the crowns are upon the horns
Revelation 12 is Satan Himself (dragon in heaven) Rev. 13 is his son the antichrist coming out of the sea (gentiles)
I am not sure what you mean by the Daniel 1:21-10:1 issue.
21 And Daniel continued even unto the first year of king Cyrus. this meand He stayed as 3rd highest ruler in the land until the first year of Cyrus. chapter 10 is simply He is still alive in the third years of Cyurus, but not third highest ruler. Cyrus was a Medeo/Persian ruler and not a babylonian one.
As fore Daniel 9, you are incorrectly joining the Danile 9 prophecy of the 70 7's with other prophecies. the Danile 9 prophecy started when the order was issued to rebuild Jerusalem under Artexerxes While 10&11 were for later tiumes. One with Antiochus Epiphenses and th eother for the antichrist and the end times.
Hope this helps.
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... with a soundtrack singing "Michelle is a man", "they really had us fooled", and other lyrics which point to the OBVIOUS MALE anatomy protrusion.
But what happened to the Forum Member who suggested something to the effect that GOD would Punish me for making a "False accusation" against "Michelle" who is apparently a Mr. MICHAEL LaVaughn Robinson? -- And now I have to wonder whether GOD will punish THAT individual for making HIS FALSE ACCUSATION against me when I was reporting the TRUTH!
And Scripture says that things whispered, will be SHOUTED from the Roof Tops! So now we see the PERVERSION in our WhiteHouse with a Homosexual President; with a "Transgender" "wife"; and the TWO BORROWED DAUGHTERS from their long standing Physician and wife.
And I thought the Crimes of the Clintons took us to rock bottom; but Obama surpassed their Crimes, along with his own Depravity. -- An absolute abomination in our Nation.
Bobby Jo
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... with a soundtrack singing "Michelle is a man", "they really had us fooled", and other lyrics which point to the OBVIOUS MALE anatomy protrusion.
But what happened to the Forum Member who suggested something to the effect that GOD would Punish me for making a "False accusation" against "Michelle" who is apparently a Mr. MICHAEL LaVaughn Robinson? -- And now I have to wonder whether GOD will punish THAT individual for making HIS FALSE ACCUSATION against me when I was reporting the TRUTH!
And Scripture says that things whispered, will be SHOUTED from the Roof Tops! So now we see the PERVERSION in our WhiteHouse with a Homosexual President; with a "Transgender" "wife"; and the TWO BORROWED DAUGHTERS from their long standing Physician and wife.
And I thought the Crimes of the Clintons took us to rock bottom; but Obama surpassed their Crimes, along with his own Depravity. -- An absolute abomination in our Nation.
Bobby Jo
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Yes, all three were under the control of the CIA/international Bankers back in the 80s. The CIA and certain DoD companies ran Obama's elections for Pres as well..
... yet another picture casting doubt on "Michelle"; and three "Associates":
... and we now should realize the "Michelle"/"Michael"; but who'd have guessed the CIA coordination between Obama and Gates went back THIS FAR?!?
Bobby Jo
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4-Stage Brainwashing Con Is Turning America Into A Communist-Run Country
HAFMay 30, 2021
by S.D. Wells
Communism is being installed in America right now through psychological warfare subversion in 4 easy ‘playbook’ stages.
As Yuri Bezmenov, the KGB propaganda expert once stated:
The highest art of warfare is not to fight at all… but to subvert anything of value in the country of your enemy until such time that the perception of reality of your enemy is screwed up to such an extent that he does not perceive you as an enemy, and that your system, your civilization and your ambitions look to your enemy as an alternative, if not desirable then at least feasible.
That’s the ultimate purpose, the final stage of subversion, after which you can simply take your enemy without a single shot being fired.
STAGE 1: Destruction Of Religion, Human Value, And School Curriculum (2008 – 2016)
Obama ‘hypnotizes’ everyone into believing there’s rampant racism ‘gone wild’ in America, even though he’s the first Black President. He also gets everyone focused on sex and gay everything. Also, many mass shootings were staged to initiate a government gun grab of all automatic weapons, especially machine guns, but the plan fails miserably.
Opiate business in Afghanistan skyrockets to support American prescription ‘pandemic’ of opioids (heroin pills). Obama was a “sleeper cell” terrorist working from within against, and from the top. Meanwhile, Obama puts 45 million Americans on welfare. Step one complete, right out of the commie playbook.
STAGE 2: Warping Of Social Life And Laws (2016 – 2020)
Ever since the Obama reign of terror, the Left always accuses the Right of what the Left is guilty of. The biggest example is the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. That was all propagated while the Left WAS involved in communist collusion of their own, working deep cover with the Communist Chinese Party (CCP).
As American institutions were being destabilized and prepped for Marxist-communist infiltration, everyone was distracted with the Russia-collusion hoax, the Ukrainian “quid pro quo” hoax, and the staged impeachment of DJT.
Also, in stage 2, comes the demeaning of self-respect and self-worth. This is rather easy to install. The Millenials all got brainwashed with gender fluidity, PC pronouns and the right for cross-dresssers to wear high heels into combat. Then came the George Floyd suicide by drug overdose and staged police beat down. Maybe Floyd was even an MK-ultra experiment, if you really think about it, like the “lone mass shooter” Batman Theatre stooge.
STAGE 3: The Great Crisis – A Fake Pandemic (2019 – The End)
The crisis begins with a non-elected body of power (Biden’s CCP Regime) taking control of the government and telling all citizens how to run (ruin) their lives. The lab-concocted, purposely released Covid-19 virus was a three-pronged plan for this.
Tens of millions of fake ballots for Biden were used to steal the election. Nearly every small-to-mid-sized business was shut down and bankrupted (many forever). Then masks and social distancing dehumanized everyone. Finally, distance learning is the ultimate way to ruin all credible learning, from elementary school through college.
STAGE 4: Government Dependence – The Populace Begs For Big Government To Rescue Them (2021 – The End)
At this point, society thinks this is all normal behavior, and accepts losing all rights, religion and even their own businesses in order to “quell” the risk of dying from the CCP virus.
The theory is that if you want to be saved from the China virus, you have to give up all of your constitutional freedoms and be injected with prion-creating inoculations (until you die in a few years from the vaccines themselves).
That’s why they want so badly for vaccine passports to be required. Get it? Sucker in as many fearful and desperate fools as possible. Then America becomes Venezuela over night.
The populace needs a savior, and that’s hand delivered to the brainwashed masses, the sheeple, in the most toxic, insidious and destructive “Trojan Horse” ever delivered – dirty vaccines. You see, the trick to subversion is simple. You don’t shoot people or blow them up. You just slow walk them right into the quicksand.
Yuri Bezmenov explains the four stages of psychological warfare subversion for installing communism in any country:
--------------------------we are in the dependence phase right now...before the country will 'fall.' For how long? who knows....-------------
by S.D. Wells
Communism is being installed in America right now through psychological warfare subversion in 4 easy ‘playbook’ stages.
As Yuri Bezmenov, the KGB propaganda expert once stated:
The highest art of warfare is not to fight at all… but to subvert anything of value in the country of your enemy until such time that the perception of reality of your enemy is screwed up to such an extent that he does not perceive you as an enemy, and that your system, your civilization and your ambitions look to your enemy as an alternative, if not desirable then at least feasible.
That’s the ultimate purpose, the final stage of subversion, after which you can simply take your enemy without a single shot being fired.
STAGE 1: Destruction Of Religion, Human Value, And School Curriculum (2008 – 2016)
Obama ‘hypnotizes’ everyone into believing there’s rampant racism ‘gone wild’ in America, even though he’s the first Black President. He also gets everyone focused on sex and gay everything. Also, many mass shootings were staged to initiate a government gun grab of all automatic weapons, especially machine guns, but the plan fails miserably.
Opiate business in Afghanistan skyrockets to support American prescription ‘pandemic’ of opioids (heroin pills). Obama was a “sleeper cell” terrorist working from within against, and from the top. Meanwhile, Obama puts 45 million Americans on welfare. Step one complete, right out of the commie playbook.
STAGE 2: Warping Of Social Life And Laws (2016 – 2020)
Ever since the Obama reign of terror, the Left always accuses the Right of what the Left is guilty of. The biggest example is the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. That was all propagated while the Left WAS involved in communist collusion of their own, working deep cover with the Communist Chinese Party (CCP).
As American institutions were being destabilized and prepped for Marxist-communist infiltration, everyone was distracted with the Russia-collusion hoax, the Ukrainian “quid pro quo” hoax, and the staged impeachment of DJT.
Also, in stage 2, comes the demeaning of self-respect and self-worth. This is rather easy to install. The Millenials all got brainwashed with gender fluidity, PC pronouns and the right for cross-dresssers to wear high heels into combat. Then came the George Floyd suicide by drug overdose and staged police beat down. Maybe Floyd was even an MK-ultra experiment, if you really think about it, like the “lone mass shooter” Batman Theatre stooge.
STAGE 3: The Great Crisis – A Fake Pandemic (2019 – The End)
The crisis begins with a non-elected body of power (Biden’s CCP Regime) taking control of the government and telling all citizens how to run (ruin) their lives. The lab-concocted, purposely released Covid-19 virus was a three-pronged plan for this.
Tens of millions of fake ballots for Biden were used to steal the election. Nearly every small-to-mid-sized business was shut down and bankrupted (many forever). Then masks and social distancing dehumanized everyone. Finally, distance learning is the ultimate way to ruin all credible learning, from elementary school through college.
STAGE 4: Government Dependence – The Populace Begs For Big Government To Rescue Them (2021 – The End)
At this point, society thinks this is all normal behavior, and accepts losing all rights, religion and even their own businesses in order to “quell” the risk of dying from the CCP virus.
The theory is that if you want to be saved from the China virus, you have to give up all of your constitutional freedoms and be injected with prion-creating inoculations (until you die in a few years from the vaccines themselves).
That’s why they want so badly for vaccine passports to be required. Get it? Sucker in as many fearful and desperate fools as possible. Then America becomes Venezuela over night.
The populace needs a savior, and that’s hand delivered to the brainwashed masses, the sheeple, in the most toxic, insidious and destructive “Trojan Horse” ever delivered – dirty vaccines. You see, the trick to subversion is simple. You don’t shoot people or blow them up. You just slow walk them right into the quicksand.
Yuri Bezmenov explains the four stages of psychological warfare subversion for installing communism in any country:
--------------------------we are in the dependence phase right now...before the country will 'fall.' For how long? who knows....-------------
Ronald Nolette
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This guy was born a guy and will die a guy and will stand before God as a guy. Fear not!
Bruce jenner was, is and always will be Bruce Jenner! it matters not how he mutilates his body to try to change who God made Him to be.
So who/what are the Seven Heads; and who/what are the Ten Horns?Ronald Nolette said:
Ronald Nolette said:
Daniel DIED (was "broken" per Calvin's expositors) in the FIRST year of Cyrus.
Ronald Nolette said:
HE'S been DEAD for TWO YEARS. And Calvin THROWS OUT 1:21 in deference to 10:1.
Ronald Nolette said:
The angels instructions in 12:4 & 9 require END TIME FULFILLMENTS for Daniel's PROPHECIES. And NEITHER Dan. 9 (~483BC) OR Dan. 11 (~200BC) are END TIME (in the era approximate to 1948). -- But if you wish to make GOD's Word and the angel's instructions a LIE, then please do so at your own risk
Hope this helps.
Bobby Jo
Ronald Nolette
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The seven heads are as John wrote
Revelation 17:8-10
King James Version
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
The ten horns are as John and Daniel wrote:
Daniel 7:23-24
King James Version
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
I won't argue with anonymous expositors. I will only speak of what Scripture says.
Daniel 1:21
And Daniel continued even unto the first year of king Cyrus.
this is what Gods Word says. and coninue is this in the original Hebrew:
אֶחָד
Transliteration
'eḥāḏ
Pronunciation
ekh-awd' אָחַד (H258)
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: one (687x), first (36x), another (35x), other (30x), any (18x), once (13x), eleven (with H6240) (13x), every (10x), certain (9x), an (7x), some (7x), miscellaneous (87x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- one (number)
- one (number)
- each, every
- a certain
- an (indefinite article)
- only, once, once for all
- one...another, the one...the other, one after another, one by one
- first
- one (number)
Calvin is a godly man but He is not the bible. Here he stands in contradistinction to Gods Word.
I neither make the angels instructions nor Gods Word a lie!
Daniel was given many visions and prophecies, but not all of them were end times prophecies.
If you ;look at Daniel 11 and then middle east history, you shall see that this prophesy showed the fall of the Persian Empire by Alexander the great, his death and th e division of his kingdom into four parts. This took place in the latter days (of the persian empire), after many days from when Daniel received it.
The wicked king is Antiochus Epiphenes. the people who resisted him are the Maccabean rebellion.
Then what good are you?
Acts 8:30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless some one guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
You said you were a "teacher" but when asked, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO "teach".
UNTIL
If you do something until or till a particular time, you stop doing it at that time.
He continued to teach until his death in 1960.
If you do something until or till a particular time, you stop doing it at that time.
He continued to teach until his death in 1960.
Quote RN:
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
Now either YOU or the ANGEL is LYING, -- unless ~483BC is THE TIME OF THE END.the Daniel 9 prophecy started when the order was issued to rebuild Jerusalem under Artexerxes
Dan. 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” 9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
1. Did MacArthur require "strengthening" when he stepped onto Japan as the new Governor? -- Only the Vanquished, or soon to be, requires "strengthening" (typical of Hideki Tojo, who was hung by the neck until dead).
2. The Medo/Persian records are COMPLETE, and there's no record of your "Darius". And he isn't Gobryas, who only knew Daniel for two weeks (until he died), -- and would not have been SLEEPLESS over a Castrated Jewish Slave who was being thrown to the lions. Dan. 9:2 says Darius was the LAST Babylonian King (in the absence of Neboplasar who was off expanding the Kingdom).
3. Alexander's empire was divided between FIVE Generals, which lasted for 40 years.
4. There is no Medo/Persian "three more kings and a fourth", however there were a DOZEN Medo/Persian kings in that sequence. So who are the FOUR you choose out of the DOZEN.
5. Daniel 11 is not ANCIENT, but instead the details commence in 1914, which brought the world to the 1918 Balfour Declaration, which established a Jewish "homeland".
You've believed the lies of the commentators, and make both GOD and HIS angel LIARS. Perhaps you shouldn't be parroting those LIES.
Bobby Jo
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... so the point of addressing the Book of Daniel, is that the Prophecies are END TIME, and we're currently at Dan. 11:40, which coincides with Ezek. 38 & 39. And so we continue to watch for Russia turn and attack Israel from the North; with Iran attacking from the East; and Sudan & Lybia attacking from the South through Egypt.
And very few people understand the intricacies of Bible Prophecy, but we DO SEE THE WICKEDNESS IN THE WORLD, -- and exactly where it's taking us.
Bobby Jo
... so the point of addressing the Book of Daniel, is that the Prophecies are END TIME, and we're currently at Dan. 11:40, which coincides with Ezek. 38 & 39. And so we continue to watch for Russia turn and attack Israel from the North; with Iran attacking from the East; and Sudan & Lybia attacking from the South through Egypt.
And very few people understand the intricacies of Bible Prophecy, but we DO SEE THE WICKEDNESS IN THE WORLD, -- and exactly where it's taking us.
Bobby Jo
Ziggy
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Why is it they all seem to have one thing in common?
Energy.
Whether it's the pipe line in Russia or the Oil in Iran.
Everything covered in black pitch, just waiting for a torch to set it ablaze.
Spiritually and Literally
Hugs
Dearest Z,
Apparently the British "Royal Family" is worth some 30 Trillion dollars, and the Rothchilds worth some 100 Trillion Dollars. And with the U.S. shutting down it's own energy resources -- if Iran destroys the Saudi Oil capabilities on their march toward Israel, the Oil from Russia and Iran will become much more valuable and expensive; with all roads being driven by greed pursuing wealth instead of GOD. And of course these roads will include the plundering of U.S. wealth in that process.
And these conspirators are not only foreign, but also domestic. And there's no shortage of them.
With VERY BEST REGARDS,
Bobby Jo (and ELAM on the watch for a squirrel
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Ziggy
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Well they can't take it with them when they get to hell can they?
And we'll be going right with them if we let fear get inbetween our faith in God.
Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
They hoard wealth because they have no faith.
Wealth isn't going to save them.
The world is a dangerous place no doubt,
but we don't have to worry about where we are headed.
They do.
SMILE
HUGS
And we'll be going right with them if we let fear get inbetween our faith in God.
Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek
for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
They hoard wealth because they have no faith.
Wealth isn't going to save them.
The world is a dangerous place no doubt,
but we don't have to worry about where we are headed.
They do.
SMILE
HUGS
Ronald Nolette
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Well not having read Calvins expositors- how can I comment on their stuff? I have read Scripture so I can teach on that!
But there is nothing in the text that says Daniel died in the first year of Cyrus, especially when we see that he recieved visions in the third year of Cyrus.
Once again, Cyrus started a new dynasty in the persian empire. The dynasty prior started with Nabopolassar (who took Israel captive) and ended with Nabonidus. Then the Achaemenid Empire started with Cyrus. Like any ruler- Cyrus would clean house and put his own people in. Daniel was well known with Nebuchadnezzar, Belshazzar and Nabonidus but when the new dynasty took over he was an unknown. that is why He was a high ruler and continued only until the first year of Cyrus. Nothing in the passage implies Daniel did in the first year of Cyrus. Especially when we have the SCripture saying Daniel recieved visions in the third year of Cyrus.
Here your error is assuming each and every vision or prophecy was to be for the time of the end. History shows there were not.
MacAuthur is irrelavent
Darius I, byname Darius the Great, (born 550 bc—died 486), king of Persia in 522–486 bc, one of the greatest rulers of the Achaemenid dynasty, who was noted for his administrative genius and for his great building projects.
This is not teh Darius of Daniel 6. the Darius of Daniel 6 still remains a mystery. He could have been Gobyrus as Darius is also translated as Lord and gobryas was governor of Babylon (never a king of the dynasty). After Belshazzar Cyrus became ruler of the empire and He is probably the ahasuereus.
So there could have been two Darius"s one under the Nbopolassar line and then Darius the Great as shown above. Just because the record still is not fully complete does not negate Scripture.
Wrong! It was divided among four Generals:
When he was asked who should succeed him, Alexander said, “the strongest”, which answer led to his empire being divided between four of his generals: Cassander, Ptolemy, Antigonus, and Seleucus (known as the Diadochi or 'successors')
Well the three kings were Xerxes !, Artexerxes 1, Darius 2, but history has shown the fourth king to be arteXerxes.2 He was far richer and stirred up Greece against Persia. Bardiya (Smerdis) was not included for he reigned less than a year and is considered an interloper to the throne.
Verse 3 starts a new line of thought and that is Antiochus IV Epiphanes