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Fallen Angels/Giants (Debate Topic)

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Jordan, Dec 10, 2008.

  1. Jordan

    Jordan Active Member

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    This is for you Kim (and some others if they wish to debate it) Carry on and make your first post Kim.
     
  2. Christina

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    Kim You cant ignore scripture that doesnt suit you Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among themWhere is the Lord??Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Giants - nĕphiyl1) giants, the Nephilim... from the root word -naphal meaning1) to fall, lie, be cast down, fail1) to fallAs in they kept not thier own estate Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great dayThey are currently held in chains because they left heaven and married the daughters of men just as we are told in Gen 6 even the history channel gets this .
     
  3. Christina

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    and further you can not seriously believe he is talking Seth and the line of Christ here ... Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually. Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
     
  4. Christina

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    What are fallen angels? Angels are created beings used by God as messengers, warriors, and servants. The word "angel" comes from the Greek word "angelos" which means messenger. Angels are spiritual beings without bodies of flesh and bones, though they apparently have the ability to appear in human form (Gen. 19:1-22). Angels had many functions. They praised God (Psalm 103:20), served as messengers to the world (Luke 1:11-20, 26-38; Luke 2:9-14), watched over God’s people (Psalm 91:11-12), and were sometimes instruments of God’s judgment (Matt. 13:49-50). Fallen angels are those angels who rebelled against God along with Lucifer an archangel who became the devil. Following are verses often quoted in reference to the evil one. "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! 13"But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’" (Isaiah 14:12-14). Most scholars agree that one third of the angels fell into sin and became demons."And another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.4And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven, and threw them to the earth . . . " (Rev. 12:3-4). In the future, there will be a judgment upon the fallen angels:"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt. 25:41). "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" (2 Pet. 2:4). "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" (Jude 6). "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him" (Rev. 12:9). _____________References- Achtemeier, Paul J., Th.D., Harper’s Bible Dictionary, (San Francisco: Harper and Row, Publishers, Inc.) 1985.- Swanson, James, Editor, New Nave’s Topical Bible, (Oak Harbor, Washington: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1994.[url="http://www.carm.org/questions/fallen_angels.htm]http://www.carm.org/questions/fallen_angels.htm[/url]
     
  5. Christina

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    Were the Nephilim sons of God?Fallen Angels? Giants of Genesis 6:4?A common belief is that the "sons of God" who did marry the "daughters of men" were fallen angels.Why did God send the judgment of the Flood in the days of Noah? The strange events recorded in Genesis 6 were understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, as well as the Septuagint translators, as referring to fallen angels procreating weird hybrid offspring with human women-known as the Nephilim. This was far more than simply a historical issue, the unique events leading to the Flood are a prerequisite to understanding the prophetic implications of our Lord's predictions regarding His Second Coming. This is believed to have happened both before the Flood and after the flood. In Israel at the time of David, and before this when the Hebrews were scouting the land - there were tribes of these Nephilim - Goliath the giant of Gath is one example. Early Church fathers also understood this to be the case. It appears that these fallen angels were active all over the world. These bizarre giants living on the earth are also echoed in the legends and myths of nearly every ancient culture. GOD SPARED NOT THE ANGELS THAT SINNED, BUT CAST THEM DOWN TO HELL, AND DELIVERED THEM INTO CHAINS OF DARKNESS, TO BE RESERVED UNTO JUDGMENT-2 Pe 2:4. AND THE ANGELS WHICH KEPT NOT THEIR FIRST ESTATE (or positions of authority), BUT LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION (or own home), HE HATH RESERVED IN EVERLASTING CHAINS UNDER DARKNESS UNTO THE JUDGMENT OF THE GREAT DAY-Jude 6. AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THAT DAY, THAT THE LORD SHALL PUNISH THE HOST OF THE HIGH ONES THAT ARE ON HIGH (or the powers in the heavens above-NIV)...AND THEY SHALL BE GATHERED TOGETHER, AS PRISONERS ARE GATHERED IN THE PIT, AND SHALL BE SHUT UP IN THE PRISON, AND AFTER MANY DAYS SHALL THEY BE VISITED-Isa 24:21,22. KNOW YE NOT THAT WE SHALL JUDGE ANGELS? HOW MUCH MORE THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO THIS LIFE?-1 Cor 6:3.Another veiw http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/demons.htm
     
  6. holyisthelord

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    these giants were fallen angels indeed, for the Moon & the giant planets with their moons which were named after the pagan gods (i.e. fallen angels, according to Deuteronomy 32:17) and the Titanic, Olympic, & Brittanic (originally "Gigantic") ships among many other things were made by God to symbolize these giant fallen angels (along with Babylon the Great of Rev. 17-18) and warn us about them. The Moon is a symbol of giant Satan who is the Adversary of Jesus the "Son" of God "the Sun of righteousness" (Malachi 4:2) & "light of the world" (John 8:12).
     
  7. Christina

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    Interesting post Ill check your site and read more of it later as time permits Satan is indeed antichrist and the Moon is his symbol ...
     
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