False Prophets

[TLHKAJ]

All the time. Abortion, and a divorce rate that is often higher than non-Christians. After al, who doesn't want, "Your Best Life Now?"

Yuck!!

 

[Truth7t7]

All the time. Abortion, and a divorce rate that is often higher than non-Christians. After al, who doesn't want, "Your Best Life Now?"

Joel Osteen waving around the satanic cornu, pure evil

Christian's dont kill the unborn or commit adultery, my holy bible clearly teaches this

 

[Truman]

Joel Osteen waving around the satanic corners, pure evil

Christian's dont kill the unborn or commit adultery, my holy bible clearly teaches this

They're not supposed to, though some seem to think that grace is a license to sin. We all stumble in one way or another, but we're supposed to repent, not make excuses.
There are believers...and there are disciples.

 

[Truth7t7]

They're not supposed to, though some seem to think that grace is a license to sin. We all stumble in one way or another, but we're supposed to repent, not make excuses.
There are believers...and there are disciples.

I think a better term is, there are those sealed by the Holy Spirit, and those who aren't

Matthew 7:21-23KJV
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Truman]

I think a better term is, there are those sealed by the Holy Spirit, and those who aren't

Matthew 7:21-23KJV
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

"Unity in the Body
…11And it was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for works of ministry and to build up the body of Christ, 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.…" - Ephesians 4:11-13
As long as we mature, it's all good.

 

[Truth7t7]

"Unity in the Body
…11And it was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for works of ministry and to build up the body of Christ, 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.…" - Ephesians 4:11-13
As long as we mature, it's all good.

Fact is, not every person claiming to be part of the body of Christ are, there are wolves in sheep's clothing, it's that simple

Matthew 7:21-23KJV
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Is Jimmy Swaggart a false prophet? Who else do you consider a false prophet? What are your views on miracles too? How can you tell if they’re false or not? Like the miracle of Fatima. What about nuns and monks?

This topic is open to anyone but @TLHKAJ can I get your thoughts on this? Or we can discuss in private if you prefer?

To label someone a false prophet has become a loose practice by many. Are they getting a word from the Lord? We all get guidance from the Holy Spirit.
Sometimes it is a misunderstood message, something we thought was from God to us or a word to give others and it wasn't. A false prediction can be viewed as a false prophecy. But wait! Did this person claim God gave them a message or was it just a feeling, an unction on his heart? A person stating their opinion aboit such and such an event will happen and it doesn't is just an error. If someone claimed God told them in a dream, or he saw a vision that Iran was going to fire a nuclear missile towards Israel on Dec. 25, 2021 and it didn't happen, then we can say He is a false prophet.
Claiming to be ordained by God personally as a prophet, from whom God would speak to the world new revelations as in, "Thus says the LORD ..." would qualify as a false Prophet - unless he can prove it. The TWO WITNESSES are supposed to arrive soon - they will prove themselves to be of God exercising supernatural powers.
There are many spiritual gifts, two of which are practiced: the word of knowledge and the gift of prophecy. Some say they have stopped - no more gifts! I don't think so, we need to be careful but open to God's direction and guidance given sometimes through others. People have spoken a word to me as if it was coming directly from God. My Pastor was filled with the Spirit and had spiritual gifts. His sermons at times sounded as if the messages were sent from God to me personally and others as well. Some messages go out to all of us, inspiring us, encouraging us or convicting us.
ZAC, my Pastor, never claimed to be a prophet.


Here is a list from WikipediA of so called false Messiahs from the past hundred years:

Lou de Palingboer (Louwrens Voorthuijzen) (1898-1968), a Dutch charismatic leader who claimed to be God as well as the Messiah from 1950 until his death in 1968.

Father Divine (George Baker) (c. 1880 –1965), an African American spiritual leader from about 1907 until his death who claimed to be God.

André Matsoua (1899–1942), Congolese founder of Amicale, proponents of which subsequently adopted him as Messiah in the late 1920s.

Samael Aun Weor (1917–1977), born Víctor Manuel Gómez Rodríguez, Colombian citizen and later Mexican, was an author, lecturer and founder of the 'Universal Christian Gnostic Movement', according to him, 'the most powerful movement ever founded'. By 1972, he referenced that his death and resurrection would be occurring before 1978.

Ahn Sahng-hong (1918–1985), founder of the World Mission Society Church of God and worshiped by the members as the messiah.

Sun Myung Moon (1920–2012), founder and leader of the Unification Church established in Seoul, South Korea, who considered himself the Second Coming of Christ, but not Jesus himself. Although it is generally believed by Unification Church members ("Moonies") that he was the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ and was anointed to fulfill Jesus' unfinished mission.

Yahweh ben Yahweh (1935–2007), born as Hulon Mitchell, Jr., a black nationalist and separatist who created the Nation of Yahweh and allegedly orchestrated the murder of dozens of people.

Laszlo Toth (1940–2012) claimed he was Jesus Christ as he battered Michelangelo's Pieta with a geologist hammer.

Wayne Bent (born 1941), also known as Michael Travesser of the Lord Our Righteousness Church, also known as the "Strong City Cult", convicted December 15, 2008 of one count of criminal sexual contact of a minor and two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor in 2008.

Iesu Matayoshi (1944-2018), in 1997 he established the World Economic Community Party based on his conviction that he was God and the Christ.

Jung Myung Seok (born 1945), a South Korean who was a member of the Unification Church in the 1970s, before breaking off to found the dissenting group now known as Providence Church in 1980. He also considers himself the Second Coming of Christ, but not Jesus himself in 1980. He believes he has come to finish the incomplete message and mission of Jesus Christ, asserting that he is the Messiah and has the responsibility to save all mankind. He claims that the Christian doctrine of resurrection is false but that people can be saved through him.

Claude Vorilhon now known as Raël "messenger of the Elohim" (born 1946), a French professional test driver and former car journalist became founder and leader of UFO religion the Raël Movement in 1972, which teaches that life on Earth was scientifically created by a species of extraterrestrials, which they call Elohim. He claimed he met an extraterrestrial humanoid in 1973 and became the Messiah. Then devoted himself to the task he said was given by his "biological father", an extraterrestrial named Yahweh.

José Luis de Jesús (1946–2013), founder and leader of Creciendo en Gracia sect (Growing In Grace International Ministry, Inc.), based in Miami, Florida. He claimed to be both Jesus Christ returned and the Antichrist, and exhibited a "666" tattoo on his forearm. He has referred to himself as Jesucristo Hombre, which translates to "Jesus Christ made Man".

Inri Cristo (born 1948) of Indaial, Brazil, a claimant to be the second Jesus.

Apollo Quiboloy (born 1950), founder and leader of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ religious group, who claims that Jesus Christ is the "Almighty Father," that Quiboloy is "His Appointed Son," and that salvation is now completed. Proclaims himself as the "Appointed Son of the God" not direct to the point as the "Begotten Son of the God" in 1985.

Brian David Mitchell was born on October 18, 1953, in Salt Lake City, Utah, he believed himself the fore-ordained angel born on earth to be the Davidic "servant" prepared by God as a type of Messiah who would restore the divinely led kingdom of Israel to the world in preparation for Christ's second coming. (Mitchell's belief in such an end-times figure – also known among many fundamentalist Latter Day Saints as "the One Mighty and Strong"

David Koresh (Vernon Wayne Howell) (1959–1993), leader of the Branch Davidians

Maria Devi Christos (born 1960), leader of the Great White Brotherhood popular in the former Soviet Union.

Sergey Torop (born 1961), who started to call himself "Vissarion", founder of the Church of the Last Testament and the spiritual community Ecopolis Tiberkul in Southern Siberia.

Alan John Miller (born 1962), founder of Divine Truth, claimed to be the reincarnated Jesus.

 

[Truman]

Following Jesus through the word and the Spirit, works for me.

 

[Faithbuilders]

Is Jimmy Swaggart a false prophet?

Jimmy Swaggart was never a prophet; he was an evangelist who fell because of his pride, but has since repented. Be very, very careful how you respond to this topic! You may not understand a minister - because of religious teachings, you may not agree with preachers; but if you are not careful, you might find yourself speaking against Gods anointed - and therefor making yourself an enemy of God!

 

[Grailhunter]

The 10 commandments apply to mankind, you suggestion it applies to Jews alone is silenced, Do Christian's Kill, or commit adultery?

First off there is a good possibility that you do not what the Ten Commandment are.
Secondly if you are talking about the 14 summary of laws in chapter 20....some do not apply to Christianity at all.
The prohibition of engraved images is not observed by Christianity.
We do not observe the Sabbath or a holiday on Saturday.
And in the prohibition of coveting, women are not included in our property.

Lastly I am not a Jew and do not observe any of the Laws in the Old Testament. There is nothing "wanting" in Christianity that you would have to look back in the Old Testament for. Christianity covers it all.

 

[teamventure]

First off there is a good possibility that you do not what the Ten Commandment are.
Secondly if you are talking about the 14 summary of laws in chapter 20....some do not apply to Christianity at all.
The prohibition of engraved images is not observed by Christianity.
We do not observe the Sabbath or a holiday on Saturday.
And in the prohibition of coveting, women are not included in our property.

Lastly I am not a Jew and do not observe any of the Laws in the Old Testament. There is nothing "wanting" in Christianity that you would have to look back in the Old Testament for. Christianity covers it all.

However, the Old Testament still applies as the word of God that we can learn from.

Shalom!

 

[Truth7t7]

First off there is a good possibility that you do not what the Ten Commandment are.
Secondly if you are talking about the 14 summary of laws in chapter 20....some do not apply to Christianity at all.
The prohibition of engraved images is not observed by Christianity.
We do not observe the Sabbath or a holiday on Saturday.
And in the prohibition of coveting, women are not included in our property.

Lastly I am not a Jew and do not observe any of the Laws in the Old Testament. There is nothing "wanting" in Christianity that you would have to look back in the Old Testament for. Christianity covers it all.

I strongly disagree, the 10 commandments apply today, including idolatry and 7th day Sabbath observance

"Sunday" observance was a thing of Roman Emperor Constatine in 321AD on creating laws for "Sunday" observance, a day dedicated to pagan Sun worship

Yes the church followed this government mandate, and it's been here ever since

Wikipedia: Sol Invictus

Constantine's triumphal arch was carefully positioned to align with the colossal statue of Sol by the Colosseum, so that Sol formed the dominant backdrop when seen from the direction of the main approach towards the arch.

Constantine decreed (March 7, 321) dies solis — the day of the Sun, "Sunday" — as the Roman day of rest

On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.

 

[Grailhunter]

However, the Old Testament still applies as the word of God that we can learn from.

Shalom!

If ya get into the wisdom sayings....Proverbs and Psalms there are some things you can glean.
The rest of it....it is like a kid that learns from his bad parents on what not to do.

 

[Grailhunter]

I strongly disagree, the 10 commandments apply today, including 7th day Sabbath observance

What do you think the Ten Commandments are?
God defined what He stated are the Ten Commandment .....and they are not in chapter 20.

"Sunday" observance was a thing of Roman Emperor Constatine in 321AD on creating laws for "Sunday" observance, a day dedicated to pagan Sun worship

That would be incorrect. Christians worshipped on Sunday...observing the Resurrection of Christ as the day of worship.
Jewish Christians observed both days and went to the temple....
By the time of Paul....as that moved along the Gentiles Christians had little use for the Sabbath. Some would show up at the temple but they were not allowed in...they had an outer court. Not a real big observance.
After the temple was destroyed in 70 AD and tens of thousands of Jews were crucified, the Jews and the Gentiles parted ways. LOL Bad taste in their mouths....within the walls of Jerusalem during the siege, the Jews and Christians were at war with each other.... starving....the Jews were eating the Christians.
By the turn of the first century the Jewish Apostles were dead and the Jewish Christians faded out quickly.
If you can find any early writings that survived from Jewish Christians after the first century, you would probably be a rich man.
The temple was gone and the Gentiles had taken the helm of Christianity. Sunday is named after the Sun God Apollo, but it is actually the day that Christ resurrected and that is the day that Christians would forever worship God.
Now Constantine was out to consolidate Christian and Pagan days of worship so that the holidays would not disrupt things all the time. So whether it was Sunday....Easter....Christmas....or Halloween....these holidays occurred at the same time. But Emperor Constantine did not pick the day that Christ was resurrected.

 

[Enoch111]

Maybe you can comment on other topics as well? Such as, personal testimonies and if they’re from God or not? If they’re false or not? Or if earthly politics and leaders are somehow related to God or not? Or the Trinity itself? Or if you see daily earthly events as Satanic or not? Like the vaccine for example? Or do you simply see the church as a building as something bad?

1. If there are genuine personal testimonies of people being saved and delivered from sin or demons, then those are very worthwhile. But any testimony which would go contrary to Scripture would be false.

2. Earthly politics and political leaders are under the control of Satan now. The whole free world has become totalitarian and is oppressing its citizens. Daily events confirm that demons are firmly in control (and I personally have started ignoring all the news).

4. The bogus COVID vaccines are indeed bioweapons, and Satan is clearly behind this nefarious plot to destroy humanity, economies, and nations, while robbing free people of their freedoms.

5. All genuine Christians believe in the deity of Christ and the Holy Trinity. Only the cultists attack these fundamental doctrines.

6. The Church is not a building, but local churches should meet in buildings if necessary, and also ignore all government directives connected to the COVID Scamdemic. If every church had resolved to do so from day one, no government could have acted against individual churches and pastors.

 

[Truth7t7]

If ya get into the wisdom sayings....Proverbs and Psalms there are some things you can glean.
The rest of it....it is like a kid that learns from his bad parents on what not to do.

Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21, Gods words and applicable to the Christian Church today

What do you think the Ten Commandments are?
God defined what He stated are the Ten Commandment .....and they are not in chapter 20.




That would be incorrect. Christians worshipped on Sunday...observing the Resurrection of Christ as the day of worship.
Jewish Christians observed both days and went to the temple....
By the time of Paul....as that moved along the Gentiles Christians had little use for the Sabbath. Some would show up at the temple but they were not allowed in...they had an outer court. Not a real big observance.
After the temple was destroyed in 70 AD and tens of thousands of Jews were crucified, the Jews and the Gentiles parted ways. LOL Bad taste in their mouths....within the walls of Jerusalem during the siege, the Jews and Christians were at war with each other.... starving....the Jews were eating the Christians.
By the turn of the first century the Jewish Apostles were dead and the Jewish Christians faded out quickly.
If you can find any early writings that survived from Jewish Christians after the first century, you would probably be a rich man.
The temple was gone and the Gentiles had taken the helm of Christianity. Sunday is named after the Sun God Apollo, but it actually the day that Christ resurrected and that is the day that Christians would forever worship God.
Now Constantine was out to consolidate Christian and Pagan days of worship so that the holidays would not disrupt things all the time. So whether it was Sunday....Easter....Christmas....or Halloween....these holidays occurred at the same time. But Emperor Constantine did not pick the day that Christ was resurrected.

We will disagree, the Church was established on the Sabbath, and Jesus Christ taught observance of the 10 commandments

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

John 14:21KJV
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10KJV
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 2:3-4KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Truth7t7]

1. If there are genuine personal testimonies of people being saved and delivered from sin or demons, then those are very worthwhile. But any testimony which would go contrary to Scripture would be false.

2. Earthly politics and political leaders are under the control of Satan now. The whole free world has become totalitarian and is oppressing its citizens. Daily events confirm that demons are firmly in control (and I personally have started ignoring all the news).

4. The bogus COVID vaccines are indeed bioweapons, and Satan is clearly behind this nefarious plot to destroy humanity, economies, and nations, while robbing free people of their freedoms.

5. All genuine Christians believe in the deity of Christ and the Holy Trinity. Only the cultists attack these fundamental doctrines.

6. The Church is not a building, but local churches should meet in buildings if necessary, and also ignore all government directives connected to the COVID Scamdemic. If every church had resolved to do so from day one, no government could have acted against individual churches and pastors.

I disagree with you suggestion of "All Political Leaders" are under the control of satan

There are many christian leaders in the world, your suggestion would be in error

 

[Grailhunter]

We will disagree, the Church was established on the Sabbath, and Jesus Christ taught observance of the 10 commandments

I am hoping you are young, because it is going to take a long time to unravel the junk that is in your head.
The definitive moment in time for Christianity...is the resurrection of Christ....not the Sabbath.

Christ did not teach the observance of any of the Mosaic laws to His followers..... In fact He warned about mixing Judaism and Christianity saying it would ruin them both.

Take this to heart. At least part of your confusion is paying attention to who Christ is speaking to and what are they talking about.
Go back to the Gospels and read, and note that Christ...a Jew....most of the time....he is talking to Jews....about Judaism.

When He is talking about the Law, He is talking to Jews and saying the Law cannot be changed and will last until all things are accomplished. But Law is for the Jews, not Christians. And I will give another tidbit of information...The Mosaic Law is made up of 613 Laws....It is a body of Laws, written as one word....for a reason. Taking 10 of them to observe is sacrilege of the worst kind. You cannot divide up the Law....violation. And if you look to the Mosaic Law as anything that is justification, you are severed from Christ and have fallen from grace. You obey one and you have to obey all 613 Laws.

The Mosaic Law is not Christ's Commandments, that is not what the Apostles are referring to when they say obey Christ's Commandments. Christ has two Commandments ...that is essentially, love God and love one another.

You have some serious stuff going on here and it is going to take some time to straighten it out. I wish you luck.

 

[Truth7t7]

I am hoping you are young, because it is going to take a long time to unravel the junk that is in your head.
The definitive moment in time for Christianity...is the resurrection of Christ....not the Sabbath.

Christ did not teach the observance of any of the Mosaic laws to His followers..... In fact He warned about mixing Judaism and Christianity saying it would ruin them both.

Take this to heart. At least part of your confusion is paying attention to who Christ is speaking to and what are they talking about.
Go back to the Gospels and read, and note that Christ...a Jew....most of the time....he is talking to Jews....about Judaism.

When He is talking about the Law, He is talking to Jews and saying the Law cannot be changed and will last until all things are accomplished. But Law is for the Jews, not Christians. And I will give another tidbit of information...The Mosaic Law is made up of 613 Laws....It is a body of Laws, written as one word....for a reason. Taking 10 of them to observe is sacrilege of the worst kind. You cannot divide up the Law....violation. And if you look to the Mosaic Law as anything that is justification, you are severed from Christ and have fallen from grace. You obey one and you have to obey all 613 Laws.

The Mosaic Law is not Christ's Commandments, that is not what the Apostles are referring to when they say obey Christ's Commandments. Christ has two Commandments ...that is essentially, love God and love one another.

You have some serious stuff going on here and it is going to take some time to straighten it out. I wish you luck.

We will disagree, the Church was established on the Sabbath, and Jesus Christ taught observance of the 10 commandments

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus Christ Taught Observance Of The 10 Commandments

Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

John 14:21KJV
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10KJV
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 2:3-4KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Wrangler]

1 John 5:7-8KJV

This does not contain the trinity nor the trinity doctrine. There simple is no verse in the Bible that reads The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the father son and holy spirit who are co-substantial, co-equal in co-eternal - and if you do not believe this you cannot go to heaven but be damned to hell forever.

It’s such an important doctrine to God that in 66 books, he did not mention it once.