False Prophets

[GaryAnderson]

Is Jimmy Swaggart a false prophet? Who else do you consider a false prophet? What are your views on miracles too? How can you tell if they’re false or not? Like the miracle of Fatima. What about nuns and monks?

This topic is open to anyone but @TLHKAJ can I get your thoughts on this? Or we can discuss in private if you prefer?

 

[Cassandra]

Deut 18:22 "when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.'

There are a bunch of them! Got a few hours? well worth the watch.

 

[DuckieLady]

Is Jimmy Swaggart a false prophet? Who else do you consider a false prophet? What are your views on miracles too? How can you tell if they’re false or not? Like the miracle of Fatima. What about nuns and monks?

This topic is open to anyone but @TLHKAJ can I get your thoughts on this? Or we can discuss in private if you prefer?

There was a man in the 70s with healing miracles and accurate prophecy. You can look up his stuff on YouTube.

His name was Jim Jones. That's the Jonestown guy.

Honestly I feel like God has to give us discernment sometimes. There was a woman teaching a women's deliverance group a few years ago.

I was invited, but I watched one video where she said if you cast one demon out seven will attack you. I knew she was mixing up the story about the seven sons of sceva and verse about the clean house/needing to not go back to sin and made her own verse.

That and her apparel was really gaudy and her character was loud and pronounced. Very dramatic and show-like. She didn't have the quietness and gentleness of spirit. She wasn't Biblically sound.

The person in order should be showing the examples of righteousness that the Bible gave us.

I warned my mom and she didn't go. Her friend went. The woman rebuked her for the thing she came in for prayer from. She was operating from demons.

Edit: not sure why i wrote timid. Accident. Meant quietness.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Thank you for your response Cassandra. I’ve added that video in my queue as it’s 4 hours long and will have to break it up between days.

Thank you for your response fluffy duck. I am aware of Jim Jones.

Based on what I’ve read on this forum so far , my range of questions is very broad. From politics to religions. Like Catholics. I’ve noticed a lot of people here don’t like them. Why? I’m not a catholic actually but they don’t bother me so I have no Ill intent for them.

 

[GaryAnderson]

So if we take Cassandra answer on Deut 18:22 this means that some miracles are from God because they’ve been completed as true. This includes the miracle of Fatima.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Also what is the problem with Virgin Mary in this forum? And icons? Is venerating Virgin Mary a sin? Is she a false prophet? Many churches like the Greek Orthodox Church or Catholic Church venerate her. Are they ALL wrong?

 

[DuckieLady]

Thank you for your response Cassandra. I’ve added that video in my queue as it’s 4 hours long and will have to break it up between days.

Thank you for your response fluffy duck. I am aware of Jim Jones.

Based on what I’ve read on this forum so far , my range of questions is very broad. From politics to religions. Like Catholics. I’ve noticed a lot of people here don’t like them. Why? I’m not a catholic actually but they don’t bother me so I have no Ill intent for them.

I dont get too much into that. It isnt the people. It is the leadership, some of the history, and there is a long history of child abuse.


I'll provide a couple of examples:

More Graves Found At New Site, Canadian Indigenous Group Says

Catholic Priests Abused 1,000 Children in Pennsylvania, Report Says (Published 2018)

This is not the first time they've found remains of children either. That doesn't mean they're all doing that... Thats just ... Well, frankly, that's bad

 

[GaryAnderson]

Thanks fluffy. Yes some appalling things have been done in history in the name of religion. Unless someone here wants to refute this?
Despite all that, this doesn’t mean that God isn’t going to judge everyone according to their deeds.

But despite The Pope or The Leadership, which was the main schism of split for Eastern Orthodox from Catholics, the feeling I get here is that people don’t like Catholic scripture or just Catholics in general as people. Surely we can’t paint all these believers in Christ with a broad brush?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Is Jimmy Swaggart a false prophet?

Probably.

"by their fruit you will recognize them (false prophets).21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Matthew 7:20-21​

I haven't kept up with him but he was an adulterous womanizer all the while he had a successful church and TV ministry in the 80's. He had lousy fruit and did not do the will of the Father in heaven. He was/is a false prophet.

 

[DuckieLady]

Thanks fluffy. Yes some appalling things have been done in history in the name of religion. Unless someone here wants to refute this?
Despite all that, this doesn’t mean that God isn’t going to judge everyone according to their deeds.

But despite The Pope or The Leadership, which was the main schism of split for Eastern Orthodox from Catholics, the feeling I get here is that people don’t like Catholic scripture or just Catholics in general as people. Surely we can’t paint all these believers in Christ with a broad brush?

I honestly couldn't tell you. I can explain why people are upset, and I can explain some of it, but I guess the best thing you can do is research it yourself, be objective when necessary, and come to your own conclusions.

Do I agree with Catholic beliefs? Not all.

Do I love Catholic people? Yes.

The Bible makes it clear. "We are called to live in peace." But there are corrupt things in this world and it also says to expose darkness.

I don't have any experiences regarding that darkness and I don't have enough knowledge on either side to say anything. My perspective doesn't really matter.

@TLHKAJ was speaking about her personal experience. She has the right to do that.

My job is to just sit here and be peaceful.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Is Jimmy Swaggart a false prophet? Who else do you consider a false prophet? What are your views on miracles too? How can you tell if they’re false or not? Like the miracle of Fatima. What about nuns and monks?

This topic is open to anyone but @TLHKAJ can I get your thoughts on this? Or we can discuss in private if you prefer?

@Cassandra got it correct. That a true prophet will have things that come true after prophesying. But a false prophet can be anyone that uses vague descriptions that come true, like palm reading, horoscopes and vision imagery that is subject to interpretation. So while we know Revelation isn't false prophecy, someone else giving vague visions could be.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Probably.

"by their fruit you will recognize them (false prophets).21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Matthew 7:20-21​

I haven't kept up with him but he was an adulterous womanizer all the while he had a successful church and TV ministry in the 80's. He had lousy fruit and did not do the will of the Father in heaven. He was/is a false prophet.

I never really thought about the fruits. Thanks for explaining that. I thought it worth posting the rest of that scripture:

Matthew 7:15-20

King James Version

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[GaryAnderson]

A similar true story like Fatima in Portugal is also the island of Tinos in Greece where a nun had a vision that an icon of Virgin Mary was buried deep in the ground. When they excavated, they found the icon and build a church. This icon has also been attributed to many miracles and healing sick pilgrims who visit there. This surely doesn’t sound Satanic to me because the message of Christ was spread even more just like it did in Fatima, Portugal.


The Miraculous Icon of Virgin Mary in Tinos island | Greeka

 

[Raccoon1010]

A similar true story like Fatima in Portugal is also the island of Tinos in Greece where a nun had a vision that an icon of Virgin Mary was buried deep in the ground. When they excavated, they found the icon and build a church. This icon has also been attributed to many miracles and healing sick pilgrims who visit there. This surely doesn’t sound Satanic to me because the message of Christ was spread even more just like it did in Fatima, Portugal.


The Miraculous Icon of Virgin Mary in Tinos island | Greeka

I didn't know about the icon of the virgin Mary. That was a great read. Wonderful story of true prophecy. There are many stories of healings that can be found but few of true prophecies.

 

[Cassandra]

Also what is the problem with Virgin Mary in this forum? And icons? Is venerating Virgin Mary a sin? Is she a false prophet? Many churches like the Greek Orthodox Church or Catholic Church venerate her. Are they ALL wrong?

Some of us don't believe that she is a mediator. 1Tim 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
For me, the dead sleep in the grave until the resurrection, so I believe Mary is sleeping until Christ returns.
Aside from that, with a generality, Satan could also predict trends.

Years ago, before I was Christian, I went to a psychic. She told me about the people around me, even down to their horoscope signs, if they were married and had children,or if something had happened to someone recently. However her future prophecies for me never turned out. Satan has angels everywhere who can see who you are close to, etc, and that would lend credibility to things, though he can't predict the future, he can predict likely outcomes.

There is also this in the Bible concerning prophets

Deut 13:1-4 :13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him."

 

[GaryAnderson]

Some of us don't believe that she is a mediator. 1Tim 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
For me, the dead sleep in the grave until the resurrection, so I believe Mary is sleeping until Christ returns.
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Thank you for explaining that.
What do you make of the criminal who was crucified next to Jesus and Jesus told him “Today you will be with me in Paradise”?

 

[Cassandra]

Jesus did not go to Paradise that day. If you recall, when Mary Magdalene found him

John 20:15-17
'15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

He had not ascended to His Father.

This is the way I read it. "For I say unto you today, you will be with Me in paradise."
The words are truth, but not necessarily the punctuation.

Here's another example of misplaced punctuation (or lack of it):
Judges 4:21 "21 Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died

Jael was Heber's wife, There was no Jael Heber in the Bible.

Here's another:
Acts 19:12 "So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Here we have "sick" being used to modify handkerchiefs, instead of it being "So that from his body were brought unto the sick, handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

I'm sure there are more.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Probably.

"by their fruit you will recognize them (false prophets).21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Matthew 7:20-21
I haven't kept up with him but he was an adulterous womanizer all the while he had a successful church and TV ministry in the 80's. He had lousy fruit and did not do the will of the Father in heaven. He was/is a false prophet.

Jimmy didn't engage in a lot of prophesying as I remember (though he dabbled in it some I believe). But he revamped his ministry through his "righteousness through faith" teaching, whereby - this is my personal opinion, btw. We have some Swaggart fans here that I don't really want to offend - he was able to explain his past sins; he simply didn't understand God's true plan for achieving victory over sin.

I don't buy it. They engage in the same insulting remarks, entertain similar theologies (inaccurate ones), preach the same kinds of condemnation... To me, little has changed in that ministry. They just added a new teaching to cover over transgressions of the past.

 

[Hidden In Him]

This is the way I read it. "For I say unto you today, you will be with Me in paradise."
The words are truth, but not necessarily the punctuation.

The expression Ἀμήν σοι λέγω ("Truly I say unto you") is used over a hundred times in scripture. In not one of those instances is the word "today" added to the phrase. Without anything in the surrounding context to establish that He had stated something previously that He was now countermanding, correcting or augmenting, there is nothing in the text to justify altering a phrase used so frequently in scripture as a standard phrase simply emphasizing the truth of what was about to be said, nothing more.

 

[Cassandra]

I'm not clear what you are saying. Here is the verse with "today"