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  1. yasoooo

    yasoooo Member

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    Allah says (Ye who believe intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination, of Satan's handiwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.

    - Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of God, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?) 90-91].
    Allah
    forbade about drinking wine

    the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him forbade drinking wine
    even small amounts , this is confirmed by the verses and hadiths by a thousand and four hundred years

    But some doctors were claiming that a little wine can be a cure and heal , and some have claimed that a little of it animates Fouad , what says the latest study on the subject of wine?

    In a study conducted by Dr Sarah Lewis of the Department of Social Medicine , University of Bristol found a strong relationship between alcohol intake and between high blood pressure , and said that drinking alcohol affects blood pressure much more than we thought previously. Has conducted a study on a specific segment of people who are suffering from their body 's inability to remove the effects of alcohol after eating . But that does not mean that the damage is limited to these , but every day reveals a new scientists about the damage alcohol .

    The number of researchers confirmed that a man , even if eating a small amount of wine it would negatively affect the health and gradually lead to a rise in blood pressure , which causes sudden death of its owner , if not get rid of the final alcohol abuse .

    Dr. Sarah says :

    This study shows that alcohol consumption may increase blood pressure to a very large border more than we thought and even if a person drinking alcohol in small quantities .

    And confirms the researchers that
    if a person drinking wine , even a small amount of it and then leave it remain in his body, the amount of alcohol does not disappear only after tens of days, did not specify the researchers exactly how much remains of alcohol in human cells after eating , and there is no accurate studies about it, but Prophet him and told us that the drinker does not accept his prayer God forty days ! ! ! Glory to God ! If the Holy Prophet wants us to be every cell of our body pure , pure ,

    research has shown medical conducted on sleep, the brain is issued waves slow during sleep rights and these waves contribute to the production and release of growth hormone is essential for humans , researchers have found something surprising is that a man has eaten amount even if a few molecules of the wine , the wine travels through the blood to the brain and remain for long periods of time and work to confuse the brain is not able to launch electromagnetic waves during sleep and therefore the production of growth hormone depends not able to get to sleep naturally .

    researchers comes today to the same speech and with confidence : Even small amount harm to humans and preferably permanently left ! ! ! This is science always comes to bear witness of the truth of this true religion, and that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him when he forbade drinking wine or anything intoxicating

    We say to those who abuse to

    the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him
    what the non-Muslims say read, and think about it, if you follow the scientific method of thinking is, get this result ....

    You may have heard of the book, wrote a researcher from the West on "The one hundred most influential people in history," The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, and what I noticed is that this classification itself surprised the author, before anyone else!

    This author has to stay away great effort from this classification, made, and in particular, because the image of Islam has been distorted in the West bad, and because it could hurt the book, but he was able to escape this truth that Muhammad "peace and blessings of Allah upon Him was the most influential man "in the history of mankind is!

    Michael H. Hart, author of the book says:

    Dear readers, they may wonder why I have the name "Mohammed" is placed on the top of the list in this book, but there are compelling arguments that Muhammad is the only man who succeeded on both levels, religious and secular is. The influence of Muhammad's still as strak despite the passage of 14 centuries, and Muhammad is the only political leader who has managed to create a sovereign, who was very religious and scientifically successful, so he deserves the single most influential person in history to be:

    It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which i feel entitles Muhammad to be Considered the most influential single figure in human history.
    and say to my brothers and sisters in God be with you ! This prophet worth us to publish his miracle to know the whole world is our prophet and what is our religion? ! Therefore , I ask you to publish the miracles of the Holy Prophet,
     
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    Will faithful Muslims who obtain Jannah, drink from rivers of alcoholic wine? yes or no please.
     
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    Yes, my dear brother

    The Qur'an Says ...

    Desires Met The afterlife of Muslims will be a place where all their desires are not only met but exceeded (50:35).

    Endless Fountain of Wine The righteous will drink from a endlessly flowing fountain of wine, which is mixed with Kafur water (76:5-6). It will be a white wine that will not intoxicate those in the Garden of Bliss (37:45-47).




    This simple
    Does not require much thinking
    - Paradise is quite different from the life of the world
    God wants to honor Adam sons
    Give him extra strength and lasting youth and happy life does not end with the wives and virgins

    This is a blessing and a gift from God to Adam sons
    After enduring all the hardships and difficulties faced in the life of the world
    God says in the Holy Qur'an
    19. Then as for him who will be given his Record in his right hand will say: "Take, read my Record!
    20. "Surely, I did believe that I shall meet my Account!"
    21. So he shall be in a life, well-pleasing.
    22. In a lofty Paradise,
    23. The fruits in bunches whereof will be low and near at hand.
    24. Eat and drink at ease for that which you have sent on before you in days past!
    ا

    Paradise
    In the inside
    All things that have been deprived of them in this world
    Result
    Implementation of the orders of God

    This is the compensation for the patient and away from sin

    You can imagine as you like
    However you can not reach a real beauty
    Procreation

    But not pregnancy, fatigue and hardship

    The easy way

    Be

    he will be

    (When We decree a thing, We only say: 'Be, ' and it is.)
    40 Surah An-Nahl

    الحياة مثل ركوب قطار - الشيخ خالد ياسين (مترجم) Life Is Li ...

     
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    Thank you for answering as you have, for I already knew the answer, and have the sources in front of me. I wanted to see if you would say what they say.

    For being honest as you have, please consider this material on the true and the false wines in the Torah, Psalms and Gospels:

    Please begin by reading here (and keep reading) - https://www.christianityboard.com/t...ated-substantially-p.26116/page-3#post-412790

    That way, any time you see any 'Christian' who claims that the Bible says they can drink alcohol, you can show them from the Bible itself that the Bible condemns the drinking of alcohol.

    I am Seventh-day Adventist. I have a gift for you - http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn
     
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    The wine of the Hereafter is pure; it neither intoxicates nor harms. It is the wine of this world only that intoxicates, harms, and confuses. All of the direct and indirect harms associated with the wine of this world are non-existent in the wine of the next life.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Allaah, may He be exalted, describes the wine of the Hereafter as being different from the wine of this world. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Round them will be passed a cup of pure wine —

    46. White, delicious to the drinkers.

    47. Neither will they have Ghoul (any kind of hurt, abdominal pain, headache, a sin) from that nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom”

    [al-Saaffaat 37-47]

    So Allaah describes the wine of the Hereafter as:

    1. white

    2. delicious to the drinkers, unlike the wine of this world which is distasteful when drunk

    3. having no “ghoul” (hurt, abdominal pain, headache, a sin) in it, which is what affects one who drinks it in this world, of headache, pain in the stomach and loss of reason. In Soorat al-Waaq’iah it says: “Wherefrom they will get neither any aching of the head” [56:19], i.e., they will not get a headache from it.

    4. “nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom”, unlike the wine of this world which causes them to lose their minds.

    See: Tafseer Soorat al-Saaffaat by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, p. 107-109.

    Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    The wine of the Hereafter is good, and does not cause any intoxication or harm. As for the wine of this world, it is harmful and causes intoxication. In other words, in the wine of the Hereafter there is no ghawl (intoxication) and the one who drinks it will not become intoxicated; it does not cause him to lose his mind and it does not cause physical harm. As for the wine of this world, it is harmful to mind and body alike. None of the harmful effects in the wine of this world will be found in the wine of the Hereafter. And Allaah is the source of strength.

    islam and wine - YouTube

     
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    There is no alcohol in Heaven.

    Do you realize that Abu al Qasim, got the idea not from scripture, but from the corrupt mystic Jewish, non-scriptural materials, like Talmud?

    "... מאי עין לא ראתה אמר רבי יהושע בן לוי זה יין המשומר בענביו מששת ימי בראשית רבי שמואל בר נחמני אמר זה עדן שלא שלטה בו עין כל בריה

    Earlier, Rabbi Yoḥanan said that there is a reward referred to in the verse: “No eye has seen it.” The Gemara asks: What is this reward about which it is said: “No eye has seen it”? Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: That is the wine that has been preserved in its grapes since the six days of creation and which no eye has ever seen. Rabbi Shmuel bar Naḥmani said: That is Eden, which no creature’s eye has ever surveyed. ..." Berakhot 34b - The William Davidson Talmud - https://www.sefaria.org/Berakhot.34b.24?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

    "... The [first] group reasons that the good is the Garden of Eden and that it is the place where one eats and drinks without physical exertion and without effort; and that there [one finds] houses of precious stones and beds fitted with silk and rivers that flow with wine and fragrant oils and many things of this type. ..." - RamBam, Maimonides, the Rambam on Mishnah Sanhedrin 10:1; Sefaria Community Translation - https://www.sefaria.org/Rambam_on_Mishnah_Sanhedrin.10.1.1?ven=Sefaria_Community_Translation&lang=bi

    "... He shall call to the heavens from above, that is the soul; and to the earth that he may judge his people, that is, the body. After the resurrection men will live without work or weariness of body, their houses shall be of precious stones, and their beds of silk, and the rivers shall run with wine and perfumed oil. ..." The Talmud, by Joseph Barclay, [1878], Chapter V - http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/bar/bar009.htm

    "... his tree cannot be described for its excellence and sweet fragrance, and it is beautiful, more than any created thing, and on all its sides it is like gold and crimson in appearance, and transparent as fire, and it covers everything. From its root in the garden there go forth four streams, which pour out honey, milk, oil, and wine, and they go down to the Paradise of Eden, that lies on the confines between the earthly region of corruptibility and the heavenly region of incorruptibility, and thence they go along the earth. ..." - Legends of the Jews 1:3; The Legends of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg [1909] - https://www.sefaria.org/Legends_of_..._of_the_Jews_by_Louis_Ginzberg_[1909]&lang=bi

    "... The Garden of Eden is described to a place of 4 rivers, one with milk, the second with wine, the third balsam and the last with honey. There are 800,000 kinds of trees. In each corner stands 600,000 angels singing the praise of God. God is present in the garden, sitting there and explaining the Torah to the righteous of all ages. ..." - http://looklex.com/e.o/paradise.htm

    "... The Talmud states that the true reward of the World to Come is “wine guarded in its grapes since the six days of Creation” (Brachos 34b). Perhaps one day man will again aspire to become his true unguarded self, yet still in perfect communion with G-d in the Garden of Eden. ..." - RamBam, Mamonides on Life, Chapter 5, Law 3 - Wine and Knowledge - https://torah.org/learning/mlife-ch5l3/

    "... Joshua b. Levi's Description of Paradise.

    The following midrashic narrative is attributed to R. Joshua b. Levi, though the style of the midrash appears to be much later, perhaps of the ninth century: "Paradise has two diamond gates, and there are 600,000 attending angels with shining faces. Immediately on the arrival of the righteous, they divest him of his shroud and clothe him witheight garments made of clouds of honor. They put a double crown of fine gold and jewels on his head, and place eight myrtles in his hand. The angels salute him, saying, 'Go eat thy bread with joy,' and lead him along valleys of water in which grow 800 species of roses and myrtles. Each of the righteous has a canopy as is befitting his excellence. Connected with each canopy are four rivulets of milk, wine, balsam, and honey. Over each canopy grows a golden vine studded with thirty pearls, each glittering like Venus. Under the canopy is a table of onyx set with diamonds and pearls. Sixty angels guard every righteous one and ask him to partake of the honey as compensation for his study of the Law, which is likened to honey (Ps. xix. 10), and to drink the wine, which has been preserved in its grapes ever since the six days of Creation, the Law being likened to spiced wine (Cant. viii. 2). The most uncomely of the righteous becomes as beautiful as Joseph and as R. Johanan. Exiguous silver pomegranates reflect the sun, which is always shining; for 'the path of the just is as the shining light' (Prov. iv. 18). There are three stages through which the newcomer has to pass: (1) the section of the children, which he enters as at child; (2) the section of the young; and (3) the section of the old. In each section he enjoys himself as befits his state and age" (Yalḳ., Gen. 20; comp. "Seder Gan 'Eden," in Jellinek, l.c. iii. 52-53).

    Banquet for the Righteous in Paradise.

    Regarding the feast that is prepared for the righteous in paradise, the Leviathan and "the wine preserved in its grapes since the six days of Creation" are the main courses to be served at the banquet (B. B. 75a). The order of the banquet follows: "The Almighty invites the righteous into paradise. King David requests God to join the company. The angel Gabriel brings two thrones, one for God and one for David, as the Scriptures say, 'his throne as the sun before me' (Ps. lxxxix. 36). They feast and drink three goblets of wine.
    ..." - Jewish Encyclopedia, Paradise - www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11900-paradise

    Which eating of "Leviathan" in Jewish mysticism would seem to also explain the eating the "gall bladder or liver of a fish" as the first meal in Paradise in the Islamic Hadiths - https://islamqa.info/en/169491
     
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    It is naïve to say that Islam is blend of second-hand information about Judaism and Christianity with an inkling of Arab elements in it. It is absurd to suggest that the Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), was cognizant of the two religious systems.

    The concept of prophethood, the memory of Ibraaheem (Abraham) may Allaah exalt his mention as a prophet and founder of the Ka`bah, which the Arabs universally cherished, as well as the rites of Hajj (pilgrimage to the Ka’bah) instituted by Ibraaheem may Allaah exalt his mention were unquestionably from before the time of Jews and Christians. Pre-Islamic Arabs, independent of any Jewish or Christian influence, knew the concept of Allaah as the supreme God. The teachings of Ibraaheem may Allaah exalt his mention found haven in Arabia long before the arrival of Judaism or Christianity and the Arabs were already acquainted with the word ‘Haneef’ as the worshipper of One God.

    The Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), accused the contemporary Arabs, Jews and Christians of having deviated from the original teachings of their prophets and of having degenerated into polytheism. He also rejected what they claimed to be the teachings of their scriptures. So he cannot be misconstrued as having conceived the idea of monotheism from the Judeo-Christian influence.
    The Quran does not maintain that it is teaching a new religion. Instead it upholds and revives the original teachings God has given through all Prophets of all nations. It claims that its teachings are the same as that of Ibraaheem (Abraham), Moosaa (Moses) and ‘Eesaa (Jesus), may Allaah exalt their mention, and speaks about all of them in glowing terms. Since every Orientalist agrees on the fact that Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), has not read any of the scriptures, therefore, his source of knowledge must be something else.

    The rejection of Biblical teachings about the son or father of god was rejected even in the Makkan Soorahs (chapters of the Quran) long before the Prophet’s migration to Al-Madeenah. Hence, it is not correct to say that these renunciations came about, at the wake of the separation from the Jews and Christians in Al-Madeenah.
    It was impossible to get even a glimpse of monotheism by observing Judaism and Christianity in those days. The practices of these two religious groups were steeped in the most debasing corruption and superstitions, which are vastly removed from monotheism.

    The various reform movements in Christianity, particularly the Cluniac Movement, the Iconoclastic Movement and the Reformation started by Martin Luther bear testimony to the depth of degradation into which the Christians and Christianity of the day had descended. In a way, all these reform movements and the subsequent emphasis on monotheism, in spite of an adherence to the doctrines of Trinity and divinity of Christ are largely, results of the uncompromising monotheism enunciated and propagated by Islam. In other words, it was Islam that influenced the revival movements in Christianity and not the other way around.

     
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    Why is that absurd, if the evidence is there? Is it only absurd, because you say so, or do you have evidence to the contrary?
     
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    One of the highlights in the life of the great Prophet Muhammad (SA) is the fact that he was untrained and unschooled (ie, he did not attend any school). He had not been trained by any teacher and neither he had acquainted himself with any written work.


    No historian, Muslim or non-Muslim, can be found who would claim that the Prophet (SA) had been taught to read or write by anyone in his childhood or youth, let alone during his old age, which was the time of his mission. No one has ever either indicated an instance of the Prophet (SA) having read or written a line.


    The Arabs, particularly those from Hijaz, were generally unlettered during that period, and those of them who could read and write were very well-known and very few in number. It would, as a rule, be impossible for a man to learn this skill under such conditions and not be well-known for this virtue among the people.


    As we know, at William James Durant remarks: "Evidently no one thought of teaching him (the great Prophet) reading and writing. At that time the art of reading, and writing was of little significance to the Arabs. For this very reason, there were no more than seventeen persons among the Quraysh tribe who could read and write. It is not known that Muhammad himself should have written anything. After his appointment as Prophet, he had a special scribe for him. Yet the most popular and eloquent Arabic book was recited by him. He had a better acquaintance and grasp of the affairs than the educated ones".' [1]


    John Davenport in his book entitled: "Apology for Fault to Muhammad and Qur'an" observes: "As regards education, such as is usual throughout the world, it is the general belief that Muhammad had no education other than that which was commonly practiced in his tribe". [2]


    Constante Vergil Giorgio in his book entitled: "Muhammad - a Prophet to Be Acquainted with Afresh" remarks: "Although he was unschooled, the early verses sent down to him spoke of the pen and knowledge; namely of writing, putting into writing, learning, and of teaching. In no other major religion has knowledge been so extensively appreciated, and no other religion can be found in which such an importance has been attached to knowledge, at its initial stage of development. Had Muhammad been a scholar, no surprise would be caused at the verses having been sent down into the Ghar Hira' (Hira' Cave), since a scholar appreciates knowledge, but the Prophet was neither schooled nor tutored. I congratulate the Muslims on their religion having so dearly regarded, at its inception, the acquisition of knowledge". [3]


    Gustav Lubon in his famous work: "The Civilization of Islam and the Arabs" notes: "It is well-known that the Prophet was unschooled. This stands to reason also by appealing to inductive generalization, that if he happened to be knowledgeable, the contents and paragraphs of Qur'an would have been better interrelated. Furthermore, if Muhammad was not unschooled, he would not have been capable of propagating a new religion, for an unschooled person is better aware of the needs of the common (illiterate) people and thus is more capable of helping them to the right path. However, whether the Prophet was schooled or unschooled, undoubtedly, he was possessing the highest degree of intellect, wisdom and awareness". [4]


    Not being conversant with the Qur'anic concepts, materialistically oriented Gustav Lubon fabricates nonsensical words concerning the relationships of Qur'anic verses and the incapability of the educated to understand the needs of the uneducated, thus insults the Qur'an and the Prophet (SA). Yet he admits that there is no recorded evidence or indication concerning the Prophet (SA) having been able to read and write.

     
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    Abu al Qasim travelled all over in the middle east under the guardianship of his Uncle, Abu Talib, as a caravan hand, and came to major cities and tradiing posts.

    The material, which would come from the Jews, such as in the Talmud (since it began orally, through the mouth) doesn't have to be "written", for Abu al Qasim to have picked it up, but is heard orally (through conversation, through interaction, through hearing preaching, expounding on his travels), or seen in the artwork, statuary, etc.

    Also, later in Abu al Qasim's wars, he had people who could read and write, such as scribes, like Zaid ibn Thabit, etc and show him these things.

    As he conquered, he would obtain more fragments of various cultures in incorporate them into the religion. I can give specific examples. There is even a single direct verse quoted from the Psalms in the qur'an.

    What evidence do you have that would show he did not do this? The Qur'anic materials show that there are catholic gnostic and jewish mystic and Zoroastrian materials included in the Qur'an. There are even non-Arabic words of those cultures therein.

    Abu al Qasim even had encounters with monks (eastern catholics, even Roman Catholics; such as Waraqa bin Naufal, and that Khadija also had information about, such as demonology/angelolgy (see Ibn Ishaq, The Life Of Muhammad, A Translation of Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, pages 105-107 paragraphs 152-154)) and Jews, and Zoroastrians (which had the idea of virigns in paradise, etc), and many pagan tribes (like his own). For instance:

    As Abu al Qasim was doing the business, and trading for his first wife Khadija, and also under his uncle, Abū Ṭālib ibn ‘Abd al-Muṭṭalib's guardianship [being a chief in Makkah/Mecca] - Ibn Sa'd, al-Tabaqat, 1:129-130. On such long treks and journeys to the north, towards Petra, Busra, etc, he would meet with several other Catholic and Jewish individuals - Prophet Muhammad's first marriage or see - Golden Stories of Sayyida Khadijah (R.A):

    qur'an Yusuf-Ali, Yunus 10:94:

    "... 94. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee:(1475) the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. (1476) ..."

    "... 1475 Allah's Truth is all one, and even in different forms men sincere in Religion recognise the oneness. So sincere Jews like 'Abd Allah ibn Salam, and sincere Christians like Waraqah or the Nestorian monk Bahirah, were ready to recognise the mission of Muhammad al Mustafa. "The Book" in this connection is Revelation generally, including pre-Islamic revelations. ..."​

    Nestor, a 'Jewish monk', see Hayatu'l-Qulub' as written or by Abu Talib, Muhammad's Uncle [called Nasaranee] and see also Al-Asbahani, Dala'il al-Nubuwah 1:173. Others say this individual was the Byzantine Baeira [Bahira] or Pakyras, see see miniature illustration on vellum of Jami' al-Tawarikh, by Rashid al-Din Hamadani, published in Tabriz, Persia AD 1307. Others say he had an alias, called 'Sergius the Monk', as called by Abd-al-Masih al-Kindi and that he was an arian, called so by John of Damascus, an Iconclast [idol-smasher], or an Arabian Nestorian, or Gnostic Nasorean, see Ibn Hisham, Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi, or Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, and possibly even a 'Jacobite' [a Syrian orthodox member].

    From the Apology of al Kindi, PDF, page 105/122:

    "... With all this, however, our Apologist holds that the virtue of working miracles, though latent, still survives in the Christian Church; and of all religions in it alone. He had seen with his own eyes, as well as heard on sufficient evidence, of cures wrought by the clergy and monks in their holy places, tombs, and churches dedicated to the Christian martyrs, and also in virtue of their bones and relics. It was so in every land of the East and West, excepting only the land of Mahomet, for in Arabia there never had been any professors of this class, saving only Sergius and Bahîra.1 ..."

    "... 1 Our Author need not have forgotten the Christians of Najrân, with their Bishop Coss, and the martyrs of the Fiery Pits. See " Life of Mahomet," pp. v. and 84, and Sura lxxxv. ..."
    As a PS, I have already seen Ahmed Deedat's (now dead and in the grave) and many other such Dawah apologists for Islam material and he is easily refuted on any subject. This thread is about Abu al Qasim and his knowledge.
     
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    The Orientalists allege that Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), was subject to the Judeo-Christian influence of his time and that the Quran reflects this influence. It was suggested that Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), had faced two big problems if he were to embrace Judaism or Christianity. If he became a Christian, he would be bringing in the Christian Byzantine regime to Makkah, which would not be tolerated by the people of Makkah. The second problem was that he could not pretend that he knew more than the older members and priests of those two religions -- Judaism and

    Christianity. Thus, in both instances, he could not acquire leadership. Hence, Orientalists suggest that the Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), decided to reproduce the role of Moosaa (Moses) or ‘Eesaa (Jesus), may Allaah exalt their mention, because he saw that "they were men, and he could do what they had done."

    Orientalists allege that the monotheistic influence on Islam was due to the presence of Christians and Jews in Makkah. They also suggested that there was a monotheist informant from one of those religions. However at a different stage, they also suggested that what the Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), received from his informant "would be factual knowledge" but the "meaning and interpretation of the facts" came to him "by the usual process of revelation".

    They suggested that the gradual growth in accuracy of the Quran’s narration pertinent to biblical stories is evidence that Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), got these stories from an informant.

    They alleged that the Quran replicated contemporary errors that were originally found in the Judeo-Christian scriptures.

    Refutations

    The Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), was only 12 years old when he met Baheera (a Christian monk) for a very short period of time on the way to Syria. Such a brief meeting would not have been sufficient to discuss religious doctrines. It is illogical to assume that a young boy could discuss religious doctrines and scriptural prophecy about the coming of the Messenger, etc, at this tender age.

    The Orientalists acknowledged a part of this meeting, but they fail to acknowledge the other aspects, which speak about:


    Baheera's knowledge concerning the prophecy in the Scriptures regarding the coming of the new prophet

    Baheera’s recognition of the sign of prophethood in Muhammad, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention )

    Baheera’s advice to Abu Talib to take the boy home.


    When confronted with the above information, William Muir (a Scottish Orientalist, 1819 – 1905 CE) even tried to explain it as a mistake or as a forgery of a designing monk. In order to downplay the importance of Baheera’s recognition of the sign of prophethood, Muir wrote a footnote saying that the report is full of absurdities, but later realizing his recklessness, he omitted the footnote in subsequent editions without altering the main text.

    It is common knowledge that a trade caravan traveling in the harsh desert would concentrate their trade in populated areas only, and avoid wandering into deserted habitations and ruined townships or empty church assemblies, just for the sight seeing pleasure of a young boy. Yet Muir suggests that the caravan passed near Petra, Jerash, Ammon and other ruined cities and that these sights influenced the young Muhammad, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ).

    In Makkah, there were only a few Christians of humble social and intellectual status, being either slaves or petty retailers and mostly immigrants. Only one or two original residents of Makkah such as `Uthmaan bin Al-Huwayrith and Waraqah bin Nawfal had become Christians, the former out of personal or political considerations, and the latter as a result of his search for better faith. The Makkan community had some second-hand knowledge of these two religions of Judaism and Christianity.

    The question is, would a person of the stature, knowledge and intelligence of Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) proceed to propound a new religion and challenge the credibility of both the prevailing systems of Judaism and Christianity only on the basis of hearsay and superficial knowledge of them, as suggested by Orientalists?

    The Orientalists are not consistent in their allegation that:


    The Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), was ambitious and therefore careful enough to avoid the political implications of embracing either Judaism or Christianity

    He was careless enough to institute a new religion based on information picked up from bazaar gossips and Jewish storytellers at wine shops.


    \\\\


    God praises those Jews who recognized Prophet Mohammad and his message as well as warning those who denied it:

    {Those whom we gave the Scripture rejoice in that which is revealed to you (Muhammad). And of the clans there are those who deny some of it. Say: ‘I am commanded only that I serve Allah and ascribe to Him no partner. To Him I call and to Him is my return.’} (Ar-Ra’d 13:36)

    For most part, there was hatred in their heart towards him as well as the state of rapport and reconciliation which Islam came to bring to Madinah. This is not what they desired.

    However, Prophet Muhammad wished that all who lived in Madinah should live in peace and harmony with each other regardless of their differences in belief and religion.
    The Jews of Bani ‘Awf are one community with the believers. The Jews will profess their religion and the Muslims theirs

    He made a treaty which offered security and assurance to those who agreed to adhere to it. It is extremely important to take a close look at this treaty. It was only centuries later that various European human rights, diplomatic, and peace treaties were written which were not even a close match to what the Prophet of Islam wrote centuries earlier to insure security and cooperation between various factions in Madinah.

    The most important provisions of the treaty were the following:

    1. The Jews of Bani ‘Awf are one community with the believers. The Jews will profess their religion and the Muslims theirs.

    2. The Jews shall be responsible for their expenditure, and the Muslims for theirs.

    3. If attacked by a third party, each shall come to the assistance of the other.

    4. Each party shall hold counsel with the other. Mutual relation shall be founded on righteousness; sin is totally excluded.

    5. Neither shall commit sins to the prejudice of the other.

    6. The wronged party shall be aided.

    7. The Jews shall contribute to the cost of war so long as they are fighting alongside the believers.

    8. Madinah shall remain sacred and inviolable for all who join this treaty.

    9. Should any disagreement arise between the signatories to this treaty, then God, the All-High and His Messenger shall settle the dispute.

    10. The signatories to this treaty shall boycott Quraysh commercially; they shall also abstain from extending any support to them.

    11. Each shall contribute to defending Madinah, in case of a foreign attack, in its respective area.

    12. This treaty shall not hinder either party from seeking lawful revenge.

    Madinah and its suburbs, after the ratification of this treaty, turned into a coalition state, with Madinah proper as capital and Prophet Muhammad as ‘president’; authorities lay mainly in the hand of the Muslims, and consequently it was a real capital of Islam. To expand the zone of peace and security, the Prophet Muhammad started to enter into similar treaties with other tribes living around ‘his state’.

    Unfortunately many of the Jews did not spare any effort to annoy Muslims even after this treaty. As they disbelieved in Jesus in the past, now they disbelieved in Muhammad – and had no intention to live in total peace with the Muslims. Had they done so, no harm would have befallen them, but a wise reader would see how the events unfolded after the peace treaty between the Muslims and the inhabitants of Madinah and how the Jews brought misfortune upon themselves. (Al-Ghazali, Fiqh Al-Seerah)

    To begin with, they continuously belittled the message of Islam and denied the prophethood of Muhammad, even though they were given full authority to practice their own religion with no obligation to convert to Islam. God exposes their thoughts saying:

    {They who disbelieve say: ‘You are no messenger [of Allah].’ Say, Allah and whoever has true knowledge of the Scripture are sufficient witness between me and you.’} (Ar-Ra’d 13: 43)



    The Jews did not agree with the words of the Prophet Muhammad beace be upon him


    How can he quote the Koran from the Jews?

     
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    Of course not. Why should they, since it goes against the material in the Torah/Tanakh?

    Abu al Qasim, quoted Jewish sources (and gnostic and pagan sources) in the recitation.

    As stated, Abu al Qasim had access to OT material, as well as gnostic (and other) sources. For instance:

    Al Anbiya' 21:105 (Yusuf-Ali Translation) - "Before this We wrote in the Psalms,(2759) after the Message (given to Moses):(2760) My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth.""

    That is a quasi-citation from Psalms 37:11,29 (see also Psalms 37:9; Psalms 25:13; Psalms 37:29), even from the lips of Jesus, Matthew 5:5.

    Psalms 25:13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.

    Psalms 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

    Psalms 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

    Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

    Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
    If I may ask a question to you specifically?
     
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    Why do you promote Muhammad, Islam, and the Koran on a Christian forum? No doubt every Muslim believes that Muhammad is the prophet par excellence. But when all is said and done HE IS A FALSE PROPHET. And Christ already told us that there would be many false prophets such as him.

    Do you know why he is a false prophet? Because he rejected the Gospel of Christ and then opposed it knowingly.
     
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    It's simple

    This monotheistic religions Science
    -Starting from Adam to Muhammad peace be upon him
    One Message
    The Oneness of Allah

    Through the prophets, not of other ways

    All the prophets Muslim

    111. And when I (Allah) put in the hearts of Al-Hawarieen (the disciples) [of 'Iesa (Jesus)] to believe in Me and My Messenger, they said: "We believe. And bear witness that we are Muslims."
    Surah Al-Ma'idah


    78. And strive hard in Allah's Cause as you ought to strive (with sincerity and with all your efforts that His Name should be superior). He has chosen you (to convey His Message of Islamic Monotheism to mankind by inviting them to His religion, Islam), and has not laid upon you in religion any hardship, it is the religion of your father Ibrahim (Abraham) (Islamic Monotheism) . It is He (Allah) Who has named you Muslims both before and in this (the Qur'an), that the Messenger (Muhammad) may be a witness over you and you be witnesses over mankind! So perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), give Zakat and hold fast to Allah [ie have confidence in Allah, and depend upon Him in all your affairs] He is your Maula (Patron, Lord, etc.), what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord, etc.) and what an Excellent Helper!
    Surah Al-Hajj


    90. And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Fir'aun (Pharaoh) with his hosts followed them in oppression and enmity, till when drowning overtook him, he said: "I believe that La ilaha illa (Huwa): (none has the right to be worshipped but) He, "in Whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am one of the Muslims (those who submit to Allah's Will)."
    91. Now (you believe) while you refused to believe before and you were one of the Mufsidun (evil-doers, corrupts, etc.).

    92. So this day We shall deliver your (dead) body (out from the sea) that you may be a sign to those who come after you! And verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.).

     
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    The New Testament says of Jesus’ criteria to identify false prophets:


    "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."[15]


    We learn the following:


    (i) prophecy will continue after Jesus.


    (ii) beware of false prophets.


    (iii) the criteria to identify a false prophet is his fruits, that is his works or deeds.[16]


    As stated earlier, Muhammad claimed unequivocally, ‘I am God’s Messenger.’ If a person evaluates his claim on the above criteria, he will find it meets the criteria completely.


    In Islamic doctrine, all prophets constitute a spiritual fraternity of brothers with a single ‘father,’ but different ‘mothers.’ The ‘father’ is prophethood and unity of God, the ‘mothers’ are the different Laws they brought. Emphasizing the spiritual fraternity of all prophets, Prophet Muhammad said:


    "I am the closest of all people to the son of Mary (Jesus). The prophets are paternal brothers, their mothers are different, but their religion is one." (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim)


    All prophets are ‘rays’ from the same ‘Lamp’: the central message of all prophets throughout ages was to dedicate worship to God only. That’s why Islam views denying a single prophet as equivalent to denying them all. The Quran states:


    "Indeed, those who deny God and His messengers, and wish to separate God from His messengers, saying: ‘We believe in some but reject others’ and want to pursue a path in-between - it is they, they who are truly denying the truth: and for those who deny the truth We have readied shameful suffering. But as for those who believe in God and His messengers and make no distinction between any of them - unto them, in time, will He grant their rewards [in full]. And God is indeed much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace." (Quran 4:150-152)


    Denying the prophethood of Muhammad is tantamount to denying all prophets. The prophethood of Muhammad is known just like the prophethood of Moses and Jesus is known: the numerous reports of their miracles that have reached us. The Book brought by Muhammad (the Quran) is fully preserved, and His Law is complete and applicable to today’s world. Moses brought the Law and justice, Jesus brought grace and flexibility. Muhammad combined between the Law of Moses and the grace of Jesus.


    If someone were to say, ‘he was an imposter,’ others are more fit to be charged with this accusation. Hence, denying Muhammad is denying one’s own prophets. If a reasonable person looks at two bright stars, he must acknowledge both are stars, he cannot say to one, ‘Yes, this one is a bright star,’ but deny the other! Doing so would be denying reality and a lie.


    Make a table of all the prophets you believe in. Start from the first one to the last one you believe in. Answer the following questions:


    What is the evidence I believe he was a true prophet?


    What was the mission of the prophet in his own words?


    Did he bring a Law? Is his Law applicable today?


    What scripture did he bring? How is its content and meaning?


    Is the scripture preserved in the original language it was revealed in? Is it considered a literary authority, free of internal inconsistencies?


    What do you know of his morals and integrity?


    Compare all the prophets you have listed and then answer the same questions about Muhammad. Then ask yourself, ‘Can I honestly take Muhammad out of my list because he does not meet the criteria as other prophets?’ It will not take too much effort to discover that the evidence for Muhammad’s prophethood is stronger and more convincing.


    A skeptic need consider what is so unusual about Muhammad’s claim to be a prophet? When did God declare an end to prophecy before him? Who decided that there would not be any more divine communication with human beings? With no evidence to block divine revelation, it is natural to accept a continuity of revelation:


    "Indeed, We have sent you with the truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and a Warner: for there never was any community but a Warner has [lived and] passed away in its midst." (Quran 35:24)


    "And We sent forth Our messengers, one after another: [and] every time their messenger came to a community, they gave him the lie: and so We caused them to follow one another [into the grave], and let them become [mere] tales: and so - away with the folk who would not believe!" (Quran 23:44)


    This is true especially when the truth was perverted by Jews and Christians, the Christians claiming Jesus was the son of God and Jews calling him an illegitimate son of Joseph the Carpenter. Muhammad brought the truth: Jesus was God’s noble prophet born of a miraculous virgin birth. As a result, Muslims believe in Jesus and love him, neither going to the extreme like the Christians, nor disparaging him like the Jews.


    How do we know who is a true Prophet? by Nouman Ali ...



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpunixc2vt4د
     
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    look and listen very well

    allah is one for Muslims , Jews and Christians....
    But
    Regrettably

    Christian alter the message of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him upside down

    from Uniformity to the Trinity

    Distortion of the heavenly books ( the Torah and the Gospel )

    This led to dissent and disagreement

    And create a new teachings do not relate to the true teachings

    Drinking blood , pork and drinking alcohol , adultery , lying ,...

    Example
    So look to the Prophet Muhammad , peace be upon him and his companions and all Muslims so far

    Do not say Muhammad is God or the son of God

    الرد على ادعاء تأليف القرآن من اجل ارباح مادية - ذاكر نايك Zakir Naik



    Jesus in the Quran holds one of the highest statures amongst the Prophets. Unlike other Prophets who performed miracles, Jesus himself was a miracle, as he was born of a virgin mother, and God describes him and his mother Mary as such:
    “…and We made her (Mary) and her son (Jesus) a sign for the worlds.” (Quran 21:91)
    Nonetheless, in the Quran, Jesus is described as having many miracles not bestowed upon other prophets. God says:
    “And We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear miracles” (Quran 2:87)

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivLQeJ8_eU

    Volume 4, Book 55, Number 657:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): -- 'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e. Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol. 7)
     
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    No. I asked you a question. Thank you for your time. Let me know when you desire to actually dialogue.
     
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    In Australia, a country with a population of around 20 million, about 3000 people die each year from alcohol abuse while 65,000 others are hospitalised. Studies have consistently revealed a link between heavy drinking and brain damage and around 2500 Australians are treated annually for alcohol related brain damage. Research in the United Kingdom indicates that 6%


    of cancer deaths are related to alcohol abuse and Harvard Centre for Cancer Prevention says that drinking greatly increases the risk for numerous cancers. Alcohol is considered highly carcinogenic, increasing the risk of mouth, pharynx, larynx, oesophagus, liver, and breast cancers. Drinking alcohol during pregnancy can lead to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, causing the child to be small at birth, have some facial malformations, small eye openings, webbed or even missing fingers or toes, organ deformities, learning disabilities, mental retardation and much more.

    Researchers in Australia have also estimated that 47% of all those who commit violent crimes, and 43% of all victims of these crimes, were drunk prior to the event. Alcohol is responsible for 44% of fire injuries, 34% of falls and drownings, 30% of car accidents, 16% of child abuse instances, and 7% of industrial accidents. Even though it is clear that alcohol is responsible

    for a great many evils it is legal and even encouraged in most societies. In Muslim countries where alcohol is forbidden many people still find it difficult to resist temptation and fall prey to the disease that is alcoholism. Amazingly even in the light of such startling evidence against alcohol, people around the globe continue to consume alcohol in ever-increasing amounts





    المقطع الذي أسلم بسببه الغرب خالد ياسين مترجم عربي ...





    دعوة غير المسلمين - خالد ياسين - مترجم Dawah to N ...




    علامات الأيام الأخيرة المُحاضر : عبد الرحيم غرين بالل ...


     
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    TheHolyBookEnds Well-Known Member

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    How many Muslims are attempting to serve a god, from fear of an eternal torment and endless suffering in fire and tortures that would never end, rather than serving the True JEHOVAH God, from the motive of love, for His so great sacrifice.

    Afraid of the fire, every night, all because of the lie of Satan through Muhammad, and yet not truly sorrowful over their sins against a loving JEHOVAH Father God, who had forgiven them in JEHOVAH Emmanuel Christ Jesus …

    Surah Al 'Imran 3:85 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

    “... And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. ...”​
    Surah Al 'Imran 3:88 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

    “... They will abide therein (Hell). Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed (for a while). ...”
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 21, Number 222 -

    “... Narrated Salim's father: In the life-time of the Prophet whosoever saw a dream would narrate it to Allah's Apostle. I had a wish of seeing a dream to narrate it to Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) I was a grown up boy and used to sleep in the Mosque in the life-time of the Prophet. I saw in the dream that two angels caught hold of me and took me to the Fire which was built all round like a built well and had two poles in it and the people in it were known to me. I started saying, “I seek refuge with Allah from the Fire.” Then I met another angel who told me not to be afraid. I narrated the dream to Hafsa who told it to Allah's Apostle. The Prophet said, “Abdullah is a good man. I wish he prayed Tahajjud.” After that 'Abdullah (i.e. Salim's father) used to sleep but a little at night. ...”​

    Islamic hell/hell fire is eternally tormenting, endless suffering, never ending, never lightened, and an ever increase of pain, which causes a great fear in their hearts, and that fear is then shed abroad in the 'terror' of jihad, which is merely the external manifestation of the their own internal terror of a false god, who has no love for them, and they cannot know that they will ever enter paradise, not even Abu al Qasim. Yet, they do not have to have this fear, since the scripture (Genesis to Revelation) teaches the destruction of the wicked, not an endless increasing suffering of torments. God is love (1 John 4:8,16), not terror.

    https://www.christianityboard.com/t...y-die-devil-genesis-3-4-not-surely-die.26178/





    It is the Righteous who will eternally dwell with God, who is “a Spirit” [John 4:24 KJB], and “the Holy Spirit” the fullness of “fire” [Acts 2:3; Revelation 1:4; 4:5 KJB], who “baptize/s” with “fire” [Matthew 3:11; Mark 9:49; Luke 3:16 KJB], thus we will dwell with “everlasting burnings” [Isaiah 33:14 KJB], for God is a “consuming fire” [to sin and of “Love”] [Deuteronomy 4:24, 9:3; Hebrews 12:29; 1 John 4:8,16 KJB] and a “fire goeth before Him” [Psalms 97:3 KJB] which “shall devour before Him” [Psalms 50:3 KJB] and “he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire” [Lamentations 2:3 KJB], and for those whom He loves He is a “wall of fire round about” [Zechariah 2:5 KJB] and His “ministers a flame of fire” [Psalms 104:4; Hebrews 1:7 KJB] and His “tongue as a devouring fire” [Isaiah 30:7 KJB] His speech “fire” [2 Samuel 22:9; Psalms 18:8; Jeremiah 20:9; Acts 2:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJB], His “eyes … as a flame of fire” [Revelation 1:14, 2:18, 19:12 KJB], His “face as the sun” and His “feet a pillar of fire” [Matthew 17:2; 2 Corinthians 4:6; Revelation 1:15, 2:18, 10:1 KJB], for He is a “refiners fire” [Malachi 3:2 KJB] having a “throne of fire” [Psalms 89:36; Daniel 7:9; Ezekiel 1:26-28; Revelation 4:5 KJB], His Ten Commandments a “Fiery Law” [Deuteronomy 33:2; Ezekiel 28:14,16 KJB] and it is they who have the victory over sin who stand upon the sea of glass mingled with fire [Revelation 15:2 KJB], and will be as the burning bush which was not consumed [Exodus 3:3 KJB], for He is “Light”, even the Light of all.

    [sin/sinners gone forever, cut off, perished, no more, destroyed, passed away, in the second death at the end, etc] Job 20:26,29, 31:2-3; Psalms 7:9, 9:17, 11:6, 21:9, 37:10, 37:20, 37:28,38, 68:2, 69:28, 75:8,10, 92:7,9, 104:35, 106:18, 112:10, 145:20; Proverbs 2:22, 10:25,28,30, 12:7, 13:9, 14:11, 24:20; Ezekiel 18:4, 18:20; Isaiah 13:9, 25:8, 66:17,24; Nahum 1:10; Obadiah 1:16; Zephaniah 1:2-3; Malachi 4:1; Matthew 10:28; John 3:16; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 6:8; James 1:15; 2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 7:17, 20:9, 21:4

    Notice the terrorizing fear which is placed into the heart of every Muslim. These perons need to see and understand the love of JEHOVAH, the mercies of JEHOVAH, the long-suffering of JEHOVAH, and that Justice of JEHOVAH. JEHOVAH would never endlessly torture anyone. That is against JEHOVAH's perfectly just character. The angel that came to Abu al Qasim, lied about JEHOVAH's character, and spoke of his own (satanic) character instead. Abu al Qasim was so afraid, he tried to kill himself, and when he couldn't for more fear, he killed others instead, as Jihadi do today. They are so afraid of not entering the Paradise of God, when if they would beleive what Jesus said:

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    Just believe these words. They are true, for JEHOVAH cannot lie.

    For more information about the Truth, go here:
    https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/islam-what-is-it-where-did-it-come-from.26077/
     
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