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You need a lot of help. Just because you are ignorant in relation to the topic, it does not mean that God ordained for the rest of us to be ignorant in relation to it as well.
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Today, 6-29-25, Israel was not bombed overnight.
However Israel's IDF did Kill more Terrorists in Gaza, and will tomorrow.
Why?
Becasuse its Kill or be Killed, and Israel has no choice.
Its a shame that all young Israeli's have to become a Soldier just to try to stay alive, and keep Israel alive.
Most 20 yr olds in this world who are not imprisoned in a Dictatorship.... are having babies, going to the beach, shopping at the Mall......
Here is what you get to do if you are a 18-22 yr old FEMALE in Israel.
One day soon, God is going to put a complete end to the Devil's work....and there will be no ISLAM and there will be Peace on Earth.
But today is not that day.
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However Israel's IDF did Kill more Terrorists in Gaza, and will tomorrow.
Why?
Becasuse its Kill or be Killed, and Israel has no choice.
Its a shame that all young Israeli's have to become a Soldier just to try to stay alive, and keep Israel alive.
Most 20 yr olds in this world who are not imprisoned in a Dictatorship.... are having babies, going to the beach, shopping at the Mall......
Here is what you get to do if you are a 18-22 yr old FEMALE in Israel.
One day soon, God is going to put a complete end to the Devil's work....and there will be no ISLAM and there will be Peace on Earth.
But today is not that day.
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[I wrote this about 23 years ago, but it's still relevant.]
To understand more clearly what God foretold concerning the events that would take place between the nation of Israel and the Arab nations in these latter days, we need to trace these nations history back to their roots.
Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (he also afterwards had other descendants – Gen. 25:1-6). Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Jacob was later renamed Israel by God, and the Israelites are his descendants. Esau (who was also called Edom) married a descendant of Ishmael named Bashemath, or Mahalath, (Gen. 28:9 & 36:3), and from Ishmael and Esau, together with Ammon and Moab (descendants of Abraham’s brother Haran) came the Arabs.
Ezekiel 35:2,5 (KJV):
In Eze. 35:5[1] God refers to the “perpetual hatred” between the descendants of Esau and Israel. Today Israel is surrounded by the descendants of Esau (Arabs), and they still have a hatred for Israel.
God foretold to Israel that he would scatter them amongst all the nations of the world (Deu. 28:64), and that he would in the latter days gather them back to their homeland (Deu. 30:3,5). This has already been fulfilled, with the nation of Israel having been re-established in 1948.
God also foretold the events that are to take place in these latter days, after Israel had been gathered back to their homeland. He tells us that the Arab nations shall conspire together against Israel to destroy them. Psalm 83:1-8:
“Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: the tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot.”
This lists all of the nations that surround Israel today (Assur, for example, is Syria), and we can deduce that this is prophetic rather than telling of past events because these nations have never before all joined together against Israel.
Note that Ps. 83 mentions “crafty counsel” against Israel. Compare this with the PLO’s Phased Plan of 1974, which is still their plan. In brief it states:
God tells us that the Arabs, and eventually all nations, shall gather together against Israel and that they shall overcome it by force. But then God says that he will fight for Israel and defeat those nations “by the hand of my people Israel”, i.e. Israel shall fight back and defeat them. This will been seen to be the work of God in the same way as in Israel’s past they were able to defeat nations that were stronger and outnumbered them because of God’s help. Shortly after this it will become apparent to all nations that Christ is reigning on earth. Consider the following verses:
Zechariah 12:2,3 - Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zechariah 14:2 - For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zechariah 12:9 - And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14:3 - Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Ezekiel 25:14-16 - And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; {or, perpetual hatred} therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.
(The Gaza strip is the southern part of what was the land of the Philistines.)
1 Thessalonians 5:3 - For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[1] Mount Seir is the previous name for Edom, which is south of the Dead Sea. Edom was what Esau was called after he sold his birthright to Jacob for some red lentil soup. Edom means ‘red’.
The Perpetual Hatred
To understand more clearly what God foretold concerning the events that would take place between the nation of Israel and the Arab nations in these latter days, we need to trace these nations history back to their roots.
Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (he also afterwards had other descendants – Gen. 25:1-6). Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Jacob was later renamed Israel by God, and the Israelites are his descendants. Esau (who was also called Edom) married a descendant of Ishmael named Bashemath, or Mahalath, (Gen. 28:9 & 36:3), and from Ishmael and Esau, together with Ammon and Moab (descendants of Abraham’s brother Haran) came the Arabs.
Ezekiel 35:2,5 (KJV):
(2) Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
(5) Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
In Eze. 35:5[1] God refers to the “perpetual hatred” between the descendants of Esau and Israel. Today Israel is surrounded by the descendants of Esau (Arabs), and they still have a hatred for Israel.
God foretold to Israel that he would scatter them amongst all the nations of the world (Deu. 28:64), and that he would in the latter days gather them back to their homeland (Deu. 30:3,5). This has already been fulfilled, with the nation of Israel having been re-established in 1948.
God also foretold the events that are to take place in these latter days, after Israel had been gathered back to their homeland. He tells us that the Arab nations shall conspire together against Israel to destroy them. Psalm 83:1-8:
“Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: the tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot.”
This lists all of the nations that surround Israel today (Assur, for example, is Syria), and we can deduce that this is prophetic rather than telling of past events because these nations have never before all joined together against Israel.
Note that Ps. 83 mentions “crafty counsel” against Israel. Compare this with the PLO’s Phased Plan of 1974, which is still their plan. In brief it states:
- Through the “armed struggle” (i.e. terrorism), to establish an “independent combatant national authority” over any territory that is “liberated” from Israeli rule. (Article 2)
- To continue the struggle against Israel, using the territory of the national authority as a base of operations. (Article 4)
- To provoke an all-out war in which Israel’s Arab’s neighbours destroy it entirely (“liberate all Palestinian territory”). (Article 8)
God tells us that the Arabs, and eventually all nations, shall gather together against Israel and that they shall overcome it by force. But then God says that he will fight for Israel and defeat those nations “by the hand of my people Israel”, i.e. Israel shall fight back and defeat them. This will been seen to be the work of God in the same way as in Israel’s past they were able to defeat nations that were stronger and outnumbered them because of God’s help. Shortly after this it will become apparent to all nations that Christ is reigning on earth. Consider the following verses:
Zechariah 12:2,3 - Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zechariah 14:2 - For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zechariah 12:9 - And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14:3 - Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Ezekiel 25:14-16 - And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; {or, perpetual hatred} therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.
(The Gaza strip is the southern part of what was the land of the Philistines.)
1 Thessalonians 5:3 - For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[1] Mount Seir is the previous name for Edom, which is south of the Dead Sea. Edom was what Esau was called after he sold his birthright to Jacob for some red lentil soup. Edom means ‘red’.
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Most of the people who obsess on "end times" teaching..... do so at the expense of learning more important theology.
A few years ago the Religious Jews in Israel claimed they found their Messiah.
They posted His photo on the City Transit buses, usually on the back so you would see His big face when you were in your car and stuck behind a bus.
They posted his photo in their Hotel Lobby... and in their food shops on the wall, and in their living rooms.
I would go to the store, and as im checking out, i look at the wall behind the cashier and there is the "messiah".
He died, and never changed the world......so, they are "still looking"., tho many still believe he was the one.
Take a look..
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Davy
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Not... already been fulfilled. The Deuteronomy 30:3 event is still future, because it will involve ALL twelve tribes of Israel, not just the small remnant of Jews that returned in 1948. The 2 'houses' of Israel which God did are still... apart to this day. Israel is divided into "two nations", and won't become one nation again per God's promises to their fathers until Lord Jesus Christ returns, which is what the subject of Ezekiel 37 is about, i.e., the joining of the two symbolic 'sticks' of Israel.
As of today, the Jews in the nation state of Israel only represent the Biblical "house of Judah", and not the ten tribe "house of Israel" which is still scattered in the nations today. As a matter of fact, the MAJORITY of Jews are still scattered in the nations today, not having been gathered yet.
Still NOT... the nation list given in the Ezekiel 38 chapter about the attack upon Israel at the very end of this world. Just because those Arab nations have been gathering against Israel in the middle east does not mean they have succeeded in destroying Israel. It's easy to rattle the saber before it's time, and that's all you are doing here.
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