Flat Earth Theory

[Rudometkin]

""That's one question answered."" - Where did you answer why the difference in sunlight hours ?
Regardless of location, if the earth is FLAT why nearly double the hours sun difference between Israel & Cape Horn today ?

The earth could be flat with a sun that goes overhead somewhat as a spotlight. The path of the sun could have phases where it makes a wider circular path at times, and a smaller circular path at other times. This could explain seasons. It could also have an oval shaped path, which would explain why some areas have more sunlight for longer, as the sun passes straight through some lands, and 'turns around' over others.

 

[rvmb]

The earth could be flat with a sun that goes overhead somewhat as a spotlight. The path of the sun could have phases where it makes a wider circular path at times, and a smaller circular path at other times. This could explain seasons. It could also have an oval shaped path, which would explain why some areas have more sunlight for longer, as the sun passes straight through some lands, and 'turns around' over others.

 

[rvmb]

""Like a spotlight"", ""turns around"", "oval path"
What confirmable evidence can you list that supports those thoughts ?

 

[Archie]

""Like a spotlight"", ""turns around"", "oval path"
What confirmable evidence can you list that supports those thoughts ?

Rvmb, I have a suggestion.
Since its obvious that we cannot provide any suitable evidence for your consideration, seeing as most of what we have posted has either escaped your notice or been ignored, instead of wasting your time asking us a bunch of questions, why not look into these matters for yourself, we all did, how do you think we reached our conclusions? None of us just woke up one morning and decided we wanted to be lambasted, labeled and ridiculed as a flat earther. Shocking, I know.

I can't speak for anyone else but I couldn't begin to tell you how many pages of research I've poured over or the countless hours of various videos I've watched of other peoples research, arguments and observations. I've been at this for at least eight years now, and there are still so many unanswered questions. One thing of which I am certain, we've all been lied to about a great many things, and while none of us may ever know the full truth of the matter in this lifetime, searching deeper into this subject has been well worth the effort.

If you would like for me to post an introductory video or two or links to books on the subject I would be more than happy to do so.
Cheers.

 

[rvmb]

Rvmb, I have a suggestion.
Since its obvious that we cannot provide any suitable evidence for your consideration, seeing as most of what we have posted has either escaped your notice or been ignored, instead of wasting your time asking us a bunch of questions, why not look into these matters for yourself, we all did, how do you think we reached our conclusions? None of us just woke up one morning and decided we wanted to be lambasted, labeled and ridiculed as a flat earther. Shocking, I know.

I can't speak for anyone else but I couldn't begin to tell you how many pages of research I've poured over or the countless hours of various videos I've watched of other peoples research, arguments and observations. I've been at this for at least eight years now, and there are still so many unanswered questions. One thing of which I am certain, we've all been lied to about a great many things, and while none of us may ever know the full truth of the matter in this lifetime, searching deeper into this subject has been well worth the effort.

If you would like for me to post an introductory video or two or links to books on the subject I would be more than happy to do so.
Cheers

Inland Lake Baikal frozen 80km x 600km
2 tripod telescopes with range exceeding 100km
You chair sit on ice edge with telescope and I sit on other side ice edge 80km away.
Do you believe we could see each other BOTH SITTING AT ICE LEVEL ?
If not at ICE LEVEL, how much higher ? 1m, 2m, 5m, 10m ??

 

[Scott Downey]

Love the scriptures you listed here - ty

especially this:
But if they had stood in My counsel,
And had caused My people to hear My words,
Then they would have turned them from their evil way
And from the evil of their doings.

What do you "hear" God Saying in His words = Jeremiah 31:35-37

Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The Lord of hosts is His name):
“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
Thus says the Lord:

“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the Lord.

Apostle Paul explores that in Romans 9, God never casts away His people.

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 9 - New King James Version

Israel’s Rejection of Christ - I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the...

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Israel’s Rejection of Christ​

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose​

6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,

7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice​

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:

“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

Present Condition of Israel​

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law [d]of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, [e]by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

 

[David in NJ]

Hello.

I am currently looking into this whole debate. I have a question for both sides of the argument.

1. To the flat side: is it true that you can see islands, cities or mountains across waters, which should be hidden meters or even miles behind the waters? Is there verifiable evidence for this? Could you please provide this evidence?

2. To the globe side: if that is the case, how do you respond to that?

Thank you.

Good Morning,

The debate is over for many reasons, which begin with God only Speaking Truth to us in His Word.

YES, with today's technology world record long distance photographs show that we are on a flat earth with Mountains and Valleys.
The first world record photo is 275 miles showing Mountains that should be under the supposed Curve of the earth.
There is another one around 475 miles
and the the latest is around 700 miles distance.

i posted two of them and will look to see if i saved it.

Because the satanists/globalists know they ar being exposed, they have scrubbed the internet of factual evidence and have flooded the internet with mockers from so called scientific positions of authority.
This 'scientific authority' comes from satan = please read Matt 4:1-11 , 1 John 5:19 , Revelation chapter 12

 

[Archie]

Hello.

I am currently looking into this whole debate. I have a question for both sides of the argument.

1. To the flat side: is it true that you can see islands, cities or mountains across waters, which should be hidden meters or even miles behind the waters? Is there verifiable evidence for this? Could you please provide this evidence?

2. To the globe side: if that is the case, how do you respond to that?

Thank you.

Kudo, yes its true. The problem is in finding the videos. Flat earth proofs are heavy censored on the internet, and its getting worse. I have used Yandex search engine for a very long time, its based in Russia, and up until recently has had very little censorship. Whatever your topic of interest, whatever specific query you may have had in mind, the results you were looking for would usually be there right on the first page. No longer so.

Do a few searches of your own. Type in flat earth on YouTube, you'll get a disclaimer at the top of the page about how flat earth is a conspiracy or whatever, and a hundred pages of debunking videos or spoof channels that pretend to be about flat earth but are really just there to misdirect and mislead, the same is true of google or any other search engine.

I don't have a computer, so I can't really save videos, and I'm not in the habit of making bookmarks. But I have personally seen many long range photos that could not have been taken on a globe. When I go back to those channels or websites, most of them have simply disappeared. The best evidences, including many excellent models are usually the first to go, and if still available, very difficult to find.

I searched for at least two hours on my phone (you're welcome) to locate the video I'm about to post for you, but other better and more recent videos and websites that host them are just gone, poof, vanished. Many of the people who were doing excellent research even a couple years ago have also vanished into the ether.

Dr John did some good work, his channel is still up, no new vids in two years. Check out his other content as well. Happy hunting.

If you are serious about going down this rabbit hole a bit further, check out Ewaranon's Lost History of Flat Earth, its about five hours long, and quite the ride.
Cheers.

The Lost History of Flat Earth (Full Documentary) by Ewaranon

One of the best Flat Earth documentaries out there. All 7 episodes in one 5 hour video. Episode 1 - Buried in Plain Sight Episode 2 - A Lens into the Past Episode 3 - Inheritors of Mud & Magnificence Episode 4 - Back to the Future Episode 5 - The Whispering of the Water Episode 6 - Offerus and...

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[David in NJ]

Please help me learn, what is the name of the country that The Bible teaches is in the middle of the FLAT EARTH

Please help yourself to learn.

How can you understand factual reality if you refuse GOD who Speaks from ABOVE???

Please answer that question so that we can move forward together with the Holy Spirit as our Guide.

 

[TLHKAJ]

""I choose to believe God. ""
and GOD gave us OBSERVABLE science.
OBSERVABLE science confirms many events written in the Bible :)
Using OBSERVABLE science, please list the evidence that shows the earth is flat.

When man's "science" conflicts with God's Word, I choose God's Word. Those who believe His Word will find plenty of proof in real science that confirms WHAT HE SAID.

 

[David in NJ]

When man's "science" conflicts with God's Word, I choose God's Word. Those who believe His Word will find plenty of proof in real science that confirms WHAT HE SAID.

Awesome!!!

 

[ScottA]

Thank you for that incredibly fine example of bad exegesis.

It's truly amazing how those who prescribe to "exegesis" practices have completely missed what would be proper biblical exegesis. Just amazing!

 

[David in NJ]

Rvmb, I have a suggestion.
Since its obvious that we cannot provide any suitable evidence for your consideration, seeing as most of what we have posted has either escaped your notice or been ignored, instead of wasting your time asking us a bunch of questions, why not look into these matters for yourself, we all did, how do you think we reached our conclusions? None of us just woke up one morning and decided we wanted to be lambasted, labeled and ridiculed as a flat earther. Shocking, I know.

I can't speak for anyone else but I couldn't begin to tell you how many pages of research I've poured over or the countless hours of various videos I've watched of other peoples research, arguments and observations. I've been at this for at least eight years now, and there are still so many unanswered questions. One thing of which I am certain, we've all been lied to about a great many things, and while none of us may ever know the full truth of the matter in this lifetime, searching deeper into this subject has been well worth the effort.

If you would like for me to post an introductory video or two or links to books on the subject I would be more than happy to do so.
Cheers.

DITTO

 

[ScottA]

21 “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran.
I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in My counsel,
And had caused My people to hear My words,
Then they would have turned them from their evil way
And from the evil of their doings.

23 “Am I a God near at hand,” says the Lord,
“And not a God afar off?

24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places,
So I shall not see him?” says the Lord;
“Do I not fill heaven and earth?” says the Lord.


25 “I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’ 26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart, 27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.

28 “The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream;
And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully.
What is the chaff to the wheat?” says the Lord.
29 “Is not My word like a fire?” says the Lord,
“And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?

30 “Therefore behold, I am against the prophets,” says the Lord, “who steal My words every one from his neighbor. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets,” says the Lord, “who use their tongues and say, ‘He says.’ 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” says the Lord, “and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all,” says the Lord.

Bible Gateway passage: Jeremiah 23 - New King James Version

The Branch of Righteousness - “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will...

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Indeed, there are those.

 

[David in NJ]

It's truly amazing how those who prescribe to "exegesis" practices have completely missed what would be proper biblical exegesis. Just amazing!

i actually like your previous response to my question of James 1:17

However, you mixed truth with some error.

Notice how James Begins with verse 16 = "Do not be deceived my beloved brothers."
James is speaking to fellow sanctified saints.
SAME as our LORD = Matthew 24:3-4 = "SEE that no one deceives you"

 

[ScottA]

No sir, it is not how you speak to me or anyone else. You speak down to people, as though you are the sole authority in all matters physical, scriptural, or spiritual.

Which I why, regretfully, I must now bring this dialogue to a permanent conclusion.

Much like the Pharisee prayed thus with himself, you are now free to argue in the same manner.

Farewell

Who speaks down to people more than God, and who is it that actually speaks by one sent?

You being offended is simply classic rejection, quite biblical. Unfortunately.

 

[ScottA]

i actually like your previous response to my question of James 1:17

However, you mixed truth with some error.

Notice how James Begins with verse 16 = "Do not be deceived my beloved brothers."
James is speaking to fellow sanctified saints.
SAME as our LORD = Matthew 24:3-4 = "SEE that no one deceives you"

Yes, and then he gives the terms of our existence and how it is made manifest by form...as God-centered, all-dimensional turning. And he does so in the middle of what many would consider a different context--hidden, like treasure hidden in a field!

Add to that precept: All-dimensional "outer darkness." Then look at our solar system with the Light that rules the day in the center. Such perfection!

 

[ScottA]

@Grailhunter Please respond to this. I would like to see your response.

Hmmm...from all that he has said previous, I would have thought he believed the earth was flat.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, and then he gives the terms of our existence and how it is made manifest by form...as God-centered, all-dimensional turning. And he does so in the middle of what many would consider a different context--hidden, like treasure hidden in a field!

Add to that precept: All-dimensional "outer darkness." Then look at our solar system with the Light that rules the day in the center. Such perfection!

God Centered YES

all-dimensional turning to support the LIE of a globe/ball earth = ABOSLUTELY NOT

This is the serious error you mixed into James 1:16-17

God is not limited to dimensions = we are!!!

God created the earth with dimensions = Jeremiah 31:35-37

Currently, we are located in those dimensions here on earth.

Spiritually, IF you are in Christ, we have been given a New Dimension that the unregenerate man does not have and CANNOT attain to apart from CHRIST.

 

[ScottA]

God Centered YES

all-dimensional turning to support the LIE of a globe/ball earth = ABOSLUTELY NOT

This is the serious error you mixed into James 1:16-17

God is not limited to dimensions = we are!!!

God created the earth with dimensions = Jeremiah 31:35-37

Currently, we are located in those dimensions here on earth.

Spiritually, IF you are in Christ, we have been given a New Dimension that the unregenerate man does not have and CANNOT attain to apart from CHRIST.

This earth and solar system with sun and moon as lights for signs is a manifestation of what is true with God.

As such (since you don't see it manifest with all-dimensional being global), how would you describe or make manifest a completely all-dimensional form with God (Light) at the center? Like a Headlight with darkness behind shinning forth upon a cosmic table with darkness underneath, passing one way on, then off returning to the same side of the table again to come on again the next day, passing from side to side, on then off, then on again every day?

How would you make and manifest such an all-dimensional world where Light emits from the Center in every direction?