Flat Earth Theory

[Archie]

"Precept upon precept, here a little there a little"--yes, that is exactly how I am speaking to you.

No sir, it is not how you speak to me or anyone else. You speak down to people, as though you are the sole authority in all matters physical, scriptural, or spiritual.

Which I why, regretfully, I must now bring this dialogue to a permanent conclusion.

Much like the Pharisee prayed thus with himself, you are now free to argue in the same manner.

Farewell

 

[Rudometkin]

Sir, it is you who mistakenly presume that biblical cosmology implies we live on a soggy saltine.

I love this sentence, but am disappointed that it has to be said.

 

[Archie]

College educated theologian educated in five countries.....thank you. But my profession was into quantum mechanics, submarines, and nuclear weapons.

This explains a great deal.
Thank you.

 

[Rudometkin]

Sir, it is you who mistakenly presume that biblical cosmology implies we live on a soggy saltine.

I can only speak for myself, and my own understanding of the topic at hand. I do not "believe" that the earth is flat. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, His person, His purpose, His perfect sacrifice, His bodily resurrection, His High Holy Priesthood, and His imminent return, and these are the only things of which I can say, without reservation, that I am 100% certain are verifiably and undeniably true.

I have however, with a reasonable amount of certainty, concluded that Satan is the god of this world, a liar, and all who do not have the seal of Gods Holy Spirit, are to varying degrees, under his power and control, which sadly, is most of the population of the earth.

Therefore, I do not place my trust in men. I do not place my trust in mathematics, modern medicine, the sciences (so called) or even theology, or in the practitioners thereof, especially theologians.

It is clear however, that you do. Theologians possibly excluded.

What is also clear, is that you are not the sort of person to do a lot of research before making comments about things which you clearly do not understand. If you were, you would not have presumed that the views of myself and my friends here, are anywhere near as absurd as you perceive them to be.

If you must continue in berating and belittling us for what you assume to be our "beliefs" at least take the time to familiarize yourself with what those beliefs actually are.

@Grailhunter Please respond to this. I would like to see your response.

 

[Grailhunter]

@Grailhunter Please respond to this. I would like to see your response.

He is not very trusting?
He assumes I do not know Jehovah's Witnesses?
He thinks Satan is a god?

 

[Archie]

He is not very trusting?
He assumes I do not know Jehovah's Witnesses?
He thinks Satan is a god?

2 Corinthians 4
King James
3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

2 Corinthians 4
New Living Translation
4Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

 

[Archie]

I've been called everything but a white boy in my 60 or so years on this plane, not once have I ever been mistaken for a Jehovah's Witness.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Everything that was made was made by Him, and apart from Him was nothing made that has been made. In Him is life, and that life is the light of men, and that light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not."

Quoted from memory, let me know if I got it wrong.

Jehovah's Witness?
Lord have mercy!

 

[David in NJ]

I've been called everything but a white boy in my 60 or so years on this plane, not once have I ever been mistaken for a Jehovah's Witness.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Everything that was made was made by Him, and apart from Him was nothing made that has been made. In Him is life, and that life is the light of men, and that light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not."

Quoted from memory, let me know if I got it wrong.

Jehovah's Witness?
Lord have mercy!

"Lord have mercy!" = are you a Baptist?

 

[Grailhunter]

2 Corinthians 4
King James
3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

2 Corinthians 4
New Living Translation
4Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

WOW
At least they used lower case g.
I wonder did God give him a promotion?
I still do not think that Paul thought that Satan was a god.
In fact Satan is a fallen angel.

 

[David in NJ]

WOW
At least they used lower case g.
I wonder did God give him a promotion?
I still do not think that Paul thought that Satan was a god.
In fact Satan is a fallen angel.

Yes, a fallen angel AND King of the fallen angels = thus why Satan qualifies as a god = the god of this current Age

Revelation 12:1-4 is the symbolism that shows forth Satan and his power as a king over this Age and the fallen angels.

Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.

Satan was the highest created angel = Cherubim

We SEE this when he confronts JESUS in Matthew 4:1-11


Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

4But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

5Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,

‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”
7Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’ ”

8Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

10Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

11Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.

 

[Archie]

"Lord have mercy!" = are you a Baptist?

Ha ha, Southern Baptist originally, walked an aisle, said all the right things, grandma stopped crying, the pastor gave me a bible, a handshake, and a bath, I was 10.

13 years later, a drunken adulterer, a lying thief, an angry, violent suicidal, fearful, yet full of pride with nothing whatsoever to be proud about, young and foolish sin stained man fell upon His face before a holy and righteous God and pleaded for mercy.

I received not only mercy, but grace, and truth and life and hope, a new mind and a new spirit.

Its been a long hard road since then, with plenty of ups and downs, but here I am. Grateful beyond measure, and probably more in touch and more in love with God my Father than ever I was, even in those days and weeks and years after He first washed me in the blood of His Precious Son.

In the words of the old gospel song, "though there are times I've been out of His will, I've never been out of His care."

 

[Archie]

Yes, a fallen angel AND King of the fallen angels = thus why Satan qualifies as a god = the god of this current Age

Revelation 12:1-4 is the symbolism that shows forth Satan and his power as a king over this Age and the fallen angels.

Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.

Satan was the highest created angel = Cherubim

We SEE this when he confronts the JESUS in Matthew 4:1-11


Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

4But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

5Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,

‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”
7Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’ ”

8Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

10Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

11Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.

My brother David, you are debating with a man who has a very low opinion of Gods Holy Word, just in case you have yet to notice that small but important detail.
Proceed accordingly.

 

[David in NJ]

Ha ha, Southern Baptist originally, walked an aisle, said all the right things, grandma stopped crying, the pastor gave me a bible, a handshake, and a bath, I was 10.

13 years later, a drunken adulterer, a lying thief, an angry, violent suicidal, fearful, yet full of pride with nothing whatsoever to be proud about, young and foolish sin stained man fell upon His face before a holy and righteous God and pleaded for mercy.

I received not only mercy, but grace, and truth and life and hope, a new mind and a new spirit.

Its been a long hard road since then, with plenty of ups and downs, but here I am. Grateful beyond measure, and probably more in touch and more in love with God my Father than ever I was, even in those days and weeks and years after He first washed me in the blood of His Precious Son.

In the words of the old gospel song, "though there are times I've been out of His will, I've never been out of His care."

Thank you for sharing your wonderful testimony of His love for you and myself as well.

Replace Baptist for Catholic and replace the drunkeness with girls and we basically are twins as everything else fits.

At the age of 22 the Lord began working on me and i was Born-Again by 23.

Fell in love with the TRUTH/Holy Scriptures = to this very day!!!

 

[rvmb]

So then, why do you believe man over God?
I choose to believe God.

""I choose to believe God. ""
and GOD gave us OBSERVABLE science.
OBSERVABLE science confirms many events written in the Bible :)
Using OBSERVABLE science, please list the evidence that shows the earth is flat.

 

[David in NJ]

My brother David, you are debating with a man who has a very low opinion of Gods Holy Word, just in case you have yet to notice that small but important detail.
Proceed accordingly.

Yes, i know my Brother in Christ and yet i pray for him and hope the Lord turns on the Light in his soul that he may SEE and fall to his knees just as you and i have done.

No better Place to be then on our knees before Him who SEES
His LOVE so Great that HE can accept an 'ape' like me
Muscle bound and a real hell hound
Down down down until i was on the ground
Nothing left but my own shame and mess
His Mercy abounded and he SAVED me from sure DEATH

 

[rvmb]

Not in the doctrinal sense, no.

And yet, I have read many hundreds of testimonies of fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, who upon realising that they had been lied to their entire lives, and seeing the truth in scripture concerning the world they live in, came to place their faith in Jesus Christ.

GOD gave us science.
Science confirms many events in the Bible.
Please list ANY observable science that proves that a globe earth is a lie.
Simple test:-
FLAT earth maps show Arctic in the center of the map.
Why does ARCTIC today have NO SUNRISE AT ALL yet tip of South America has over 17 hours daily sunlight ?
If you don't believe Google then ring a business near the Arctic and bottom of South America to confirm :)

 

[Archie]

Thank you for sharing your wonderful testimony of His love for you and myself as well.

Replace Baptist for Catholic and replace the drunkeness with girls and we basically are twins as everything else fits.

At the age of 22 the Lord began working on me and i was Born-Again by 23.

Fell in love with the TRUTH/Holy Scriptures = to this very day!!!

Amen Brother, thank you as well.
That's exactly why I'm here, to hear stories just like yours and rejoice in the goodness of God together with my brethren.

I started off in this particular thread because I didn't feel up to another endless debate about some obscure doctrine or another. In hindsight, I probably should have posted some kitten pics and called it good.
Glad to know you.

 

[David in NJ]

""I choose to believe God. ""
and GOD gave us OBSERVABLE science.
OBSERVABLE science confirms many events written in the Bible :)
Using OBSERVABLE science, please list the evidence that shows the earth is flat.

CGI and faked movie film truly is observable science to the discerning EYE

Air bubbles in space
a fly in space buzzing around the astro-Not
examining the thin aluminum and tinfoil capsule that couldn't protect a beetle from the radiation and heat

multiple fake CGI ball/globe earth
fish eye lense to give a curvature that does not exist
scrubbing the internet clean of the damning observable scientific evidence
scientists often contradicting themselves
some even admitting "it did not happen"

 

[rvmb]

CGI and faked movie film truly is observable science to the discerning EYE

Air bubbles in space
a fly in space buzzing around the astro-Not
examining the thin aluminum and tinfoil capsule that couldn't protect a beetle from the radiation and heat

multiple fake CGI ball/globe earth
fish eye lense to give a curvature that does not exist
scrubbing the internet clean of the damning observable scientific evidence
scientist often contradicting themselves
some even admitting "it did not happen

What country or continent do you believe is in the middle of the FLAT EARTH ?
Simple question, answer when ready :)

 

[David in NJ]

What country or continent do you believe is in the middle of the FLAT EARTH ?
Simple question, answer when ready :)

That would be Shambhala

pun intended