Flat Earth Theory

[Archie]

I think many people would think since science is built on experimentation and since the Bible proclaims propositions, the Bible is therefore not scientific.

But even science uses baseline assumptions in order to operate. Whereas science could use the baseline of God's Word to experiment with the world, today's scientific enterprise uses their own assumptions which have no collective justification.

It assumes 'natural laws' such as consistency in natural causes of events in the world. Instead of God ontologically causing everything directly with His power and precisely by His will, science assumes one physical event can cause another, and then it uses the logically fallacious scientific method to confirm its hypothesis in experiments. When it is all boiled down, it is clear there is a blatantly unjustified assumption in the scientific world about causation. We observe events happen everyday, often with reliability and predictability. But correlation in events does not equal causation. One after another does not mean one caused another. One always after another does not mean one caused another. One always after another in your experience does not mean one always after another.

If an explosion occurs when chemical X is mixed with chemical Y, the scientist may conclude the explosion is caused by the mixture of the chemicals. Once repeated across the world by many of the 'world's finest methodical guessers' aka scientists, it becomes considered scientific fact that the mixture of chemical x and chemical y causes explosion. Scripture and rational thought across the world are then judged by this scientific fact. The scientific fact is held as mankind's finest, most trustworthy knowledge. However it is obvious the entire scientific process was repeated use of the logical fallacy "affirming the consequent" - fundamentally invalid reasoning. The world worships mankind's conclusions from absurdity.

In reality, clearly it would be God causing the proposed chemicals X and Y to exist. He may simultaneously cause an explosion to occur when He makes these two chemicals mix. However, He can cause the chemicals to collide without causing an explosion, and He can likewise cause just the explosion itself without the chemicals present. It is the scientist who foolishly assumes because he saw pattern, that he could therefore validly determine the cause of the event, and believes himself to have discovered 'laws' based on these incomplete observations.

God is moving the sun in a specific pattern He designed specifically for it. A scientist observes the sun and determines that because he is seemingly able to predict it's next movement at any given moment, its movement is therefore by some natural law. So the scientist says, "Therefore, natural law." God says He stopped the sun for awhile. The atheistic scientist says, "That would be supernatural, outside of natural law".

Had to bust out the old Funk & Wagnalls when I got to
"ontologically",
Your words got me thinking about what I occasionally refer to as the ABC's of damnation,
Anything But Christ.
Well said Rudo

 

[rvmb]

Why does it go out during heavy clouds... it is like the magic device is getting stuff from beyond the clouds. Maybe the receivers are glued to the ceiling above the clouds?? How do you get that job? I guess you have to be part of the illuminati.

Hey Chi, with all complicated arguments to one side there are 2 simple questions that defies FLAT EARTH logic.
1. Why does North Hemisphere see the NORTH star & Southern never does ?
2. Why does Salekhard have only 3 hours daylight today when Cape Horn has over 17 ?
Simple questions :)

 

[rvmb]

Had to bust out the old Funk & Wagnalls when I got to
"ontologically",
Your words got me thinking about what I occasionally refer to as the ABC's of damnation,
Anything But Christ.
Well said Rudo

Can you explain why on a FLAT EARTH, Canada sees the NORTH star yet Argentina never does ?
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[Archie]

None of that is science and it is clearly faked. I liked the bit about chem trails. Might as well through in Elvis, Bigfoot, and aliens.

To prove 100% that the documents are real, would admittedly be rather difficult. But they are available for download if you were interested in investigating your suspicions further.

Chemtrails on the other hand are quite real, one must only objectively view the sky above their head to prove that one.

I'm pretty sure I saw fat Elvis at the 7/11 one day, he was sporting a Waylon Jennings tee shirt and Buddy Holly glasses, I immediately saw right through the disguise. He bought a six pack of Blue Ribbon beer and a Snickers bar, that sealed the deal for me.

I'll let someone else tackle Sasquatch and the Aliens

 

[Rudometkin]

I know that we have some scientists in the room.

Any of you care to take a look at these documents and provide your feedback?

Language alert.

FLAT EARTH Military Documents - Yes, They're Real. Here They Are...

From ballistic missile trajectory calculations to unmanned vehicles, the US Military and NASA have been using FLAT EARTH as their model for over 60 YEARS!

chemtrails.substack.com

Today I learned the U.S. Air Force digs tunnels.

I guess so they can have their dogfights in the earth? This way no innocent bystanders can get hurt from falling debris.

 

[Rudometkin]

The sad reality of people that claim to believe in the flat Earth is that they are trolling or have some serious issues in believing the world has a massive conspiracy that serves no function.

Who said the conspiracy serves no function? That's where you're strawmanning the position of many (or all) skeptics and flat earthers. I read it was in NASAs budget last year to spend something like $25,000,000,000. Twenty five billion dollars - and that's just the United States' agency. There are more around the world who may be very happy to join the scandal.

This money can be justified if they're flying to Mars and exploring space balls.

But if the earth is flat and we're stuck in the firmament, they aren't needed, and the money is ours to keep.

As for the world, we are told it is a world full of deception. Open your Bible for that matter.

 

[rvmb]

Who said the conspiracy serves no function? That's where you're strawmanning the position of many (or all) skeptics and flat earthers. I read it was in NASAs budget last year to spend something like $25,000,000,000. Twenty five billion dollars - and that's just the United States' agency. There are more around the world who may be very happy to join the scandal.

This money can be justified if they're flying to Mars and exploring space balls.

But if the earth is flat and we're stuck in the firmament, they aren't needed, and the money is ours to keep.

As for the world, we are told it is a world full of deception. Open your Bible for that matter.

""As for the world, we are told it is a world full of deception. Open your Bible for that matter.""
Are we deceived by the NORTH star ?
Does is purposely hide from Argentina yet allows itself seen in Canada ?
Is it a lie that Cape Horn has over 17 hours sun today where Salekhard only has 3 ?

 

[Chihuahua]

Chemtrails on the other hand are quite real, one must only objectively view the sky above their head to prove that one.

Notice you never see them at night?!? It must be because everyone is sleeping and it won't affect them.

 

[Archie]

The sad reality of people that claim to believe in the flat Earth is that they are trolling or have some serious issues in believing the world has a massive conspiracy that serves no function. I suppose for some it makes them feel they are 'smarter' than everyone else because they know the 'truth.'

Companies spend massive amounts of money to haul stuff to space. So, nothing is actually getting done and they are just throwing money at something for a conspiracy? There are plenty of rogue governments out there that would love to humiliate governments by demonstrating a vast conspiracy. If you are in the middle of the ocean and use a satellite phone, where is the tower? Under the water? Do they build towers miles high so we can be tricked? When you use a satellite receiver for TV, how does that work? Why must it be pointed just so?

NASA Awards Agency-wide Helium Contract - NASA

NASA has awarded an agency-wide multiple award contract to Air Products and Chemicals, Inc. of Allentown, Pennsylvania, and Linde, LLC of Murray Hill, New

www.nasa.gov

According to the worlds leading "space agency" which has somehow been unable to return to the moon in 50 plus years, despite an annual budget exceeding 25 billion dollars, the gas will be used to support Cryogenics and welding applications, uh huh. Whatever you say Captain Quirk.

 

[Archie]

Who said the conspiracy serves no function? That's where you're strawmanning the position of many (or all) skeptics and flat earthers. I read it was in NASAs budget last year to spend something like $25,000,000,000. Twenty five billion dollars - and that's just the United States' agency. There are more around the world who may be very happy to join the scandal.

This money can be justified if they're flying to Mars and exploring space balls.

But if the earth is flat and we're stuck in the firmament, they aren't needed, and the money is ours to keep.

As for the world, we are told it is a world full of deception. Open your Bible for that matter.

Ask him to quote his favorite passage of scripture from memory, I bet its a good one. Trolls gonna troll mate.

 

[Chihuahua]

Who said the conspiracy serves no function? That's where you're strawmanning the position of many (or all) skeptics and flat earthers.

What is the function? That is not a strawman. A straw is a mischaracterization of someone's argument for the purpose of attacking the mischaracterization. A strawman is you saying that dogs have blue eyes and I claim you said all dogs have blue eyes and then I show that dogs also have brown eyes.

A massive intergovernmental multicorporate conspiracy that has persisted for centuries without any rational purpose is a argument from logic.

There is no evidence and no motivation. If the conspiracy is this widespread why aren't the conspiracy shutdown like they do illegal websites? What is the motivation?

I read it was in NASAs budget last year to spend something like $25,000,000,000. Twenty five billion dollars - and that's just the United States' agency. There are more around the world who may be very happy to join the scandal.

This money can be justified if they're flying to Mars and exploring space balls.

But if the earth is flat and we're stuck in the firmament, they aren't needed, and the money is ours to keep.

As for the world, we are told it is a world full of deception. Open your Bible for that matter.

For the purpose of what? How do the companies that send payloads into space benefitting? How does anyone benefit?

 

[Rudometkin]

What is the function? That is not a strawman. A straw is a mischaracterization of someone's argument for the purpose of attacking the mischaracterization. A strawman is you saying that dogs have blue eyes and I claim you said all dogs have blue eyes and then I show that dogs also have brown eyes.

A massive intergovernmental multicorporate conspiracy that has persisted for centuries without any rational purpose is a argument from logic.

There is no evidence and no motivation. If the conspiracy is this widespread why aren't the conspiracy shutdown like they do illegal websites? What is the motivation?



For the purpose of what? How do the companies that send payloads into space benefitting? How does anyone benefit?

There's 25 billion motivations and 25 billion benefits for the conspirators.

The people who would be able to shut it down are the people thought to be running it.

Your strawman is adding the "you believe they do it for no purpose" - or are you not proposing this?

 

[Archie]

Why does it go out during heavy clouds... it is like the magic device is getting stuff from beyond the clouds. Maybe the receivers are glued to the ceiling above the clouds?? How do you get that job? I guess you have to be part of the illuminati.

 

[Chihuahua]

NASA Awards Agency-wide Helium Contract - NASA

NASA has awarded an agency-wide multiple award contract to Air Products and Chemicals, Inc. of Allentown, Pennsylvania, and Linde, LLC of Murray Hill, New

www.nasa.gov

According to the worlds leading "space agency" which has somehow been unable to return to the moon in 50 plus years, despite an annual budget exceeding 25 billion dollars, the gas will be used to support Cryogenics and welding applications, uh huh. Whatever you say Captain Quirk.

NASA has been to the moon. However, it is quite expensive to send manned expeditions.

You can look up NASA's budget. The article is about their purchase of liquid helium:

Helium is used throughout NASA as a cryogenic agent for cooling various materials and in precision welding applications, as well as lab use. Helium also is used as an inert purge gas for hydrogen systems and as a pressurizing agent for ground and flight fluid systems of space vehicles.

In the lab we'd regularly use liquid nitrogen. Helium remains a liquid at even cooler temperatures.

 

[Rudometkin]

What is the function? That is not a strawman. A straw is a mischaracterization of someone's argument for the purpose of attacking the mischaracterization. A strawman is you saying that dogs have blue eyes and I claim you said all dogs have blue eyes and then I show that dogs also have brown eyes.

A massive intergovernmental multicorporate conspiracy that has persisted for centuries without any rational purpose is a argument from logic.

There is no evidence and no motivation. If the conspiracy is this widespread why aren't the conspiracy shutdown like they do illegal websites? What is the motivation?



For the purpose of what? How do the companies that send payloads into space benefitting? How does anyone benefit?

They were supposedly able to justify "spending" $38,000,000.00 on the apollo moonrover program alone. Thirty-eight million dollars for the moon car. They made something like 4 of them? Have you seen a photo?

I wonder where they hid the diamonds. Maybe in the tires?

 

[rvmb]

They were supposedly able to justify "spending" $38,000,000.00 on the apollo moonrover program alone. Thirty-eight million dollars for the moon car. They made something like 4 of them? Have you seen a photo?

I wonder where they hid the diamonds. Maybe in the tires?

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""I wonder where they hid the diamonds. Maybe in the tires?""
Conspiracy theories still don't explain on a FLAT EARTH why Argentina does not see the NORTH star yet Canada does.
Obviously neither can you :)

 

[Chihuahua]

There's 25 billion motivations and 25 billion benefits for the conspirators.

The people who would be able to shut it down are the people thought to be running it.

Your strawman is adding the "you believe they do it for no purpose" - or are you not proposing this?

Do not use quotations for something I did not write. That is a strawman. I did not say or imply you believed they did it for no purpose. I did point out that a conspiracy at such a scale would have a purpose. You claim there are "25 bullion benefits for the conspirators" so please explain the benefits all the governments and corporations are getting out of it.

 

[Rudometkin]

Do not use quotations for something I did not write. That is a strawman. I did not say or imply you believed they did it for no purpose. I did point out that a conspiracy at such a scale would have a purpose. You claim there are "25 bullion benefits for the conspirators" so please explain the benefits all the governments and corporations are getting out of it.

You said:

The sad reality of people that claim to believe in the flat Earth is that they are trolling or have some serious issues in believing the world has a massive conspiracy that serves no function. I suppose for some it makes them feel they are 'smarter' than everyone else because they know the 'truth.'

...people that claim to believe in...a conspiracy that serves no function...

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I did not say or imply you believed they did it for no purpose...

The sad reality of people that claim to believe in the flat Earth is that they are trolling or have some serious issues in believing the world has a massive conspiracy that serves no function.

I did not say or imply you believed they did it for no purpose...

The sad reality of people that claim to believe in the flat Earth is that they are trolling or have some serious issues in believing the world has a massive conspiracy that serves no function.

I did not say or imply you believed they did it for no purpose...

The sad reality of people that claim to believe in the flat Earth is that they are trolling or have some serious issues in believing the world has a massive conspiracy that serves no function.

 

[Archie]

You can look up NASA's budget. The article is about their purchase of liquid helium:

Helium is used throughout NASA as a cryogenic agent for cooling various materials and in precision welding applications, as well as lab use. Helium also is used as an inert purge gas for hydrogen systems and as a pressurizing agent for ground and flight fluid systems of space vehicles.

In the lab we'd regularly use liquid nitrogen. Helium remains a liquid at even cooler temperatures.

I just quoted NASA's budget, as well as what they claim to use the helium for, all 87.7 million standard cubic feet of it.

SMH

 

[Chihuahua]

They were supposedly able to justify "spending" $38,000,000.00 on the apollo moonrover program alone. Thirty-eight million dollars for the moon car. They made something like 4 of them? Have you seen a photo?

I wonder where they hid the diamonds. Maybe in the tires?

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Yes, do you know what research and development costs for vehicles on Earth? The Boeing 787 Dreamliner program's development cost exceeded $32 billion by its first delivery in 2011. Researching something for an alien environment gets a little costly.