I agree with you on this too. One issue have with flat earthers is the so called biblical evidence that proves the earth is flat they claim. I haven’t seen any biblical evidence that proves flat or globe. And I’ll say once again, I’m not flat earth or globe earth, I have no idea what we live on and I really don’t understand why it matters so much to flat earthers.Yes, brother. That's why we have to take initiative to study and know God's Word first, and then observe ...and ask God to give understanding of what is observed. The proofs offered by ones who are able to conduct tests or search things out (like taking very long range photos, or sending up their own rockets, and building models, etc) ... that's all we have besides simple faith .... God the Creator knows.
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For me, brother, it's not so much the word "flat" that matters ....but that we do not live on a globe, because God says otherwise. Whatever the shape of God's earth, it is a circle ...and yet it has corners. The earth sits on immovable foundations. And the lights are set in the firmament which is a a tent over the whole thing that separates the waters above from the waters below. And God's throne is above ...not "around" but above ...the circle of the earth. The earth is literally God's footstool.
The NT speaks of people being willingly ignorant of things related to the earth and God's creation.
So all that to say ....we need to choose to believe Him, no matter what the world says, where the world contradicts God's Word. My conviction is that we just need to believe what He says.
David in NJ
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The TRUTH is WATER always seeks it's own Level 24/7
ONLY when water is disturbed, as in the cases you presented, is water:
a) moving by current, waves, wind, unlevel terrain, man-made actions
b.) following curves as in a rivers waterway = which is containment
c.) frozen, whereby it takes shape from the disturbances such as wind, waves, waterfalls, etc
d.) water boils and becomes a vapor
e.) evaporation
f.) TRANSPIRATION
Terminology for Water Movement in Trees and Plants
The process of water traveling up trees and plants is known as transpiration.Overview of Transpiration
- Definition: Transpiration refers to the movement of water from the roots through the plant and its evaporation from aerial parts, such as leaves, stems, and flowers.
- Mechanism: Water is absorbed by the roots and transported through the xylem, where it eventually evaporates from the leaf surfaces into the atmosphere.
Key Features of Transpiration
- Passive Process: Transpiration does not require energy from the plant; it occurs naturally due to physical forces.
- Water Loss: A significant portion of the water taken up by plants (97-99.5%) is lost through transpiration.
- Role in Nutrient Transport: Transpiration helps in the mass flow of mineral nutrients from the soil to the plant.
Importance of Transpiration
- Cooling Effect: It cools the plant and regulates temperature.
- Osmotic Pressure: Transpiration influences osmotic pressure within plant cells, aiding in nutrient uptake.
You said the earth is a circle and yet has four corners. Those can't both be literal — a circle has no corners. So one is a figure of speech. Which one?For me, brother, it's not so much the word "flat" that matters ....but that we do not live on a globe, because God says otherwise. Whatever the shape of God's earth, it is a circle ...and yet it has corners. The earth sits on immovable foundations. And the lights are set in the firmament which is a a tent over the whole thing that separates the waters above from the waters below. And God's throne is above ...not "around" but above ...the circle of the earth. The earth is literally God's footstool.
The NT speaks of people being willingly ignorant of things related to the earth and God's creation.
So all that to say ....we need to choose to believe Him, no matter what the world says, where the world contradicts God's Word. My conviction is that we just need to believe what He says.
And whichever you pick, what's the rule that tells you the other isn't also figurative?
I ask because in thirty years of studying this book, figurative language is everywhere. God has wings and hands and a face. Mountains skip like rams and trees clap their hands. A camel goes through a needle's eye. Jesus says to hate your father and mother, and to pluck out your eye. The stars fought from their courses. God gathers the wind in His fists.
None of that makes the Bible less true. It's how the book talks. Recognizing it isn't watering Scripture down — it's reading it the way it was written.
So when I see corners on a circle, I don't reach for a shape that has both. I recognize the same kind of language I've been reading all along.
I don't believe either are a figure of speech. Where there are parables or symbology, the scriptures plainly say so. You can put a circle inside a square, or a square inside a circle. Can you fathom a square base with pillars under, and a circle set on the square base with a firmament over the circle? I just know that God's Word is true, brother. I think that @David in NJ mentioned it is related to a compass and the 4 directions. Maybe he can clarify or expand on that.
Liquids don't seek level. They lack rigidity. They take the shape of the force acting on them.
I don’t even remember why we’re discussing this now lol.
FLAT earthers believe the North Pole is at the center of the earth.
In that case :-
Why is the same object heavier at the center & edges of earth than the equator
Why can't the center & edges see all the stars the equator can
Why does the center & edges have 24 hr days & nights in June/Dec yet the equator never does
Why does the equator NEVER have sea level snow yet the center & edges do
""I don't believe either are a figure of speech."
You also don't believe in plain simple observable science
eg explain this :)
FLAT earthers believe the North Pole is at the center of the earth.
In that case :-
Why is the same object heavier at the center & edges of earth than the equator
Why can't the center & edges see all the stars the equator can
Why does the center & edges have 24 hr days & nights in June/Dec yet the equator never does
Why does the equator NEVER have sea level snow yet the center & edges do
Read my previous post to @IndianaRob ....I specifically mentioned that one SHOULD observe and conduct tests on their own when they have questions about WHAT GOD SAID.
You have a habit of shooting off at the mouth.
David in NJ
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If you believe "water does not seek level" - You just failed simple science.
100% CORRECT = Just as i CLEARLY stated
Because Satan is the father of lies and he deceives the entire world = 1 John 5:19 = NASA
God only Speaks Truth = 1 John 2:21 = GENESIS
I don’t know Peter. I don’t keep up with flat earth theory too much. I’m more interested in understanding why people care what the shape of the earth is.
How do you know flat earth isn’t just another lie?
Surely you realize the elite pieces of garbage put flat earth out to divide people even further.
Hey Rob, if someone claims the Bible teaches the earth is FLAT then no wonder so many UNbelievers think the Bible is a joke.
And then these FLAT earth Christians want you to believe they understand Scripture better than anyone else
"""You have a habit of shooting off at the mouth. """
He shoots at nonsense from the hip c/- understanding plain simple logic unlike those who claim the Bible teaches a FLAT EARTH
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The only thing God requires is that we believe what HE has said. It doesn't matter what NASA or others of the elites say. Sometimes, they do mix the truth into what they say ....such as the map they display. They like to put things like that in front of our faces because they gloat in what they know, while they have fed lies to the world, knowing the world believes their lies. The map is their way of saying, "WE know!"
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I've come to understand that people can use the Bible to prove almost anything they want, and once they've done it, there's little chance anyone will talk them out of it.
My problem with flat-earth Christians is that the evidence they use to "prove" it isn't proof at all.
And yes, I agree — some of them think they understand Scripture better than anyone who doesn't share their view.
David in NJ
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Only the surface of the earth is a level plane with mountain, valleys and deep oceans and lakes and rivers.
The earth itself is thousands of miles deep = no one knows nor can find out.
You just committed a very serious sin before God.
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